How come the Mavericks did not keep Steve Nash?

[hellokeith]

I'm not a basketball fan in the slightest. Just curious why the Dallas Mavericks did not keep Steve Nash?

 

[tfinch2]

It's not that Dallas didn't try to keep him. Steve Nash started his career in Phoenix, and when he became a free agent after his contract was up in Dallas, they offered him a nice deal.

 

[LostUte]

The Suns offered a larger contract than the Mavericks.

edit: To add a little more to that. At the time, it was the general consensus that Phoenix had overpaid for Nash. Dallas didn't feel that he was worth that much for that many years, so he signed with the Suns.

 

[Miramonti]

Iirc, Dallas offered ~$60m and Phoenix offered ~$65m. Cuban didn't think he was worth $65m and didn't try to match Phoenix, so Nash bolted. He did want to stay in Dallas, but he wasn't enchanted that Cuban didn't match it, so he went for the cash and a fresh start (with an old team).

 

[IAteYourMother]

Nash became ridiculous after he left the mavs

 

[slayer202]

what everyone else said is right, except what tfinch said has nothing to do with it, and hes just trying to show his knowledge.


also, I believe he was having some back problems

 

[DoubleROFL]

Nobody predicted that he would become insanely good all of a sudden.

In Dallas, he was just a above average point guard.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: slayer202
what everyone else said is right, except what tfinch said has nothing to do with it, and hes just trying to show his knowledge.


also, I believe he was having some back problems

How is what I said not right, or not have anything to do with the situation? Dallas did try to keep him. They offered him a deal. Nash did start his career in Phoenix. Phoenix did offer more money than Dallas to Nash, which qualifies as a nice deal.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: slayer202
what everyone else said is right, except what tfinch said has nothing to do with it, and hes just trying to show his knowledge.


also, I believe he was having some back problems

How is what I said not right, or not have anything to do with the situation? Dallas did try to keep him. They offered him a deal. Nash did start his career in Phoenix. Phoenix did offer more money than Dallas to Nash, which qualifies as a nice deal.

WTF are you talking about?

nash starting his career in phoenix had nothing to do with him going back. nor did dallas indeed trying to keep him, nor did phoenix offering him a good offer. surely dallas was offering a good amount, but the suns just offered more. + the fact that dallas didnt think nash was worth the money + nash wasnt as good back then + he was injury prone were the main factors.

I didn't say you were wrong, I just meant it wasn't very relevant

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: slayer202
what everyone else said is right, except what tfinch said has nothing to do with it, and hes just trying to show his knowledge.


also, I believe he was having some back problems

How is what I said not right, or not have anything to do with the situation? Dallas did try to keep him. They offered him a deal. Nash did start his career in Phoenix. Phoenix did offer more money than Dallas to Nash, which qualifies as a nice deal.

WTF are you talking about?

nash starting his career in phoenix had nothing to do with him going back. nor did dallas indeed trying to keep him, nor did phoenix offering him a good offer. surely dallas was offering a good amount, but the suns just offered more. + the fact that dallas didnt think nash was worth the money + nash wasnt as good back then + he was injury prone were the main factors.

I didn't say you were wrong, I just meant it wasn't very relevant

How do you know that it didn't have anything to do with it? Are you his agent or personal confidant?

6 years/63 million is not a good deal for a player that "wasn't as good back then"?

 

[Juno]

that's why kidd should be MVP instead of nash. his triple-doubles are racking up.

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: slayer202
what everyone else said is right, except what tfinch said has nothing to do with it, and hes just trying to show his knowledge.


also, I believe he was having some back problems

How is what I said not right, or not have anything to do with the situation? Dallas did try to keep him. They offered him a deal. Nash did start his career in Phoenix. Phoenix did offer more money than Dallas to Nash, which qualifies as a nice deal.

WTF are you talking about?

nash starting his career in phoenix had nothing to do with him going back. nor did dallas indeed trying to keep him, nor did phoenix offering him a good offer. surely dallas was offering a good amount, but the suns just offered more. + the fact that dallas didnt think nash was worth the money + nash wasnt as good back then + he was injury prone were the main factors.

I didn't say you were wrong, I just meant it wasn't very relevant

How do you know that it didn't have anything to do with it? Are you his agent or personal confidant?

6 years/63 million is not a good deal for a player that "wasn't as good back then"?

I think just about everyone would say that nash starting in phoenix was nowhere near the main reason he went back.

and I confirmed the deal was good, so idk what you're talking about.

 

[JS80]

ROI wasn't there.

 

[dbk]

Basically, Cuban wasn't sold on Nash even though, at the time, he was the most important player on the team.

 

[Imdmn04]

Originally posted by: DoubleROFL
Nobody predicted that he would become insanely good all of a sudden.

In Dallas, he was just a above average point guard.

I woudn't go as far as saying he is just above average in his Dallas days. He was good, but not out-of-this world good. A lot of it has to do the system he plays under, Phx plays no defense, which is his weakness, and the run-n-gun style suits him perfect. When you play no D, you have lots of energy to do that kind of stuff on offense.

 

[Baked]

Nash was injecting crack before every game during his back 2 back MVP seasons. In addition, he didn't get injured by Bruce Bowen.

 

[Pacfanweb]

I don't know anything about basketball

Neither does Mark Cuban, that's why they haven't won a title.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

I don't know anything about basketball

Neither does Mark Cuban, that's why they haven't won a title.

http://www.basketballreference...ampage.htm?tm=dal&lg=n

I'd say he's headed in the right direction though since he bought a majority stake in the team.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

I don't know anything about basketball

Neither does Mark Cuban, that's why they haven't won a title.

:roll:

They've had 8 seasons in a row with 50+ wins in the western conference. That's a very impressive feat. They *should* have won the series against Miami but it wasn't Cuban's fault that some of his players didn't show up to play the last half.

He's an owner, not a coach, and not a player on the court.

Putting together a team with that kind of record in their conference is nothing to sneeze at.

And I'm not a Mav's appologist in any shape or form.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

I don't know anything about basketball

Neither does Mark Cuban, that's why they haven't won a title.

:roll:

They've had 8 seasons in a row with 50+ wins in the western conference. That's a very impressive feat. They *should* have won the series against Miami but it wasn't Cuban's fault that some of his players didn't show up to play the last half.

He's an owner, not a coach, and not a player on the court.

Putting together a team with that kind of record in their conference is nothing to sneeze at.

And I'm not a Mav's appologist in any shape or form.

QFT

Before Mark Cuban was the owner of the Mavs, they were perennial bottom-dwellers, one of the laughing stocks of the NBA.

Now they are always in the playoffs and even had a few chances at winning the title.

Say what you want about Mark Cuban, but he is one of the best owners in all of sports (he truly wants his team to win). This is coming from a GS Warriors fan. If he were to buy the Cubs that would be the best thing to happen to MLB in a long time but alas Bud Selig and his other owner cronies will not allow that to occur.

 

[Miramonti]

Mark Cuban has done an excellent job in putting together a team that is capable of going deep in the playoffs and competing for a championship each year. You can't ask for or expect more than that.

Did he screw up letting Nash go?...absolutely...but that shouldn't be held against him imo - everyone makes mistakes and nash wasn't considered 'great' yet - but overall he's done a fantastic job with players and personnel. The one unfortunate situation tho is his feud with nellie, who was instrumental in helping to put Dallas back on the map.

 

[chuckywang]

The Mavericks actually won more games their first year without Steve Nash than their last year with him.

I'd say the Mavs are doing fine and letting him go was not a death sentence for them.

 

[will889]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
The Mavericks actually won more games their first year without Steve Nash than their last year with him.

I'd say the Mavs are doing fine and letting him go was not a death sentence for them.

Not completely but it was in so far as the continuity of the way the Mavs played at that time and how Dirk needs to feed off of quick passing and perimeter shooting from his point guard. Jason Kidd sort of gives Dirk back that continuity that he had when Nash was in Dallas that runs the fast break in transition well. I think that Cuban simply wagered that Nash wouldn't hold up physically at that time, and that was a huge mistake on his part. That's not to excuse Dirk Nowitski's very poor play in the NBA finals against the Miami Heat when they broke down completely. Had Dirk been able to play at a high level throughout the series the PG would have been a non issue (eg Dallas having let Nash go).

 

[amoeba]

A lot of what made Steve Nash better after he went to Phoenix was also the changes in hand check rules. The drive and kick game not nearly as viable in the old days as it is now.

 

[slayer202]

the phoenix system is much more suited towards nash's style. dallas doesn't and didn't have the jump shooters or big men to compliment nash