how come such Huge price drop on AMD Fx 6300 and Intel core i3

[john5220]

FX's have modules. When they first came out, there was a lot of argument over whether "6 core" was false advertisement, because the cores share resources. Each module has 2 cores in it, and if both cores are doing something, they only perform on average at around 80% of if only one core was loaded. It's generally accepted now that 6 cores is an acceptable label, but running on all 6 cores really only gets you 4.8x the performance of running a single thread.

Stock vs stock, an i3 will have ~50-60% better performance per clock, and another 30% potential boost from hyperthreading, making a fully loaded i3 (on paper) about 4.2 to the FX's 4.8, but equally fast in 4-5 thread loads and pulling ahead below that, up to 50-60% faster in 2 threaded loads.

aah thanks for the explanation.

Wonder the odds of intel releasing a K series i3 by next year?

 

[john5220]

LOL! That makes i3 the first CPU that generates power, since fx6300 doesn't suck 100Watts.


Also, no-frametime graphs on those videos. Useless.

fx6300 overclocks like crazy. +20% OC (4.2GHz) is easy peasy. 30% (4.55) is probably average with any aftermarket cooler - a must have regardless if you are overclocking or not (who runs stock cooler?!) on cheapest motherboard (overclocking amd doesn't require fancy expensive mobos).

Its going to be only worse now for i3:

the thing about multi player maps like 64 player battlefield 4 maps is that a dual core performs absolutely terrible.

I think the 4 threads of the i3 helps a good bit, but it does not beat a fx 6300 since Battlefield 4 does take advantage of 6 threads.

I think a 4MB cache 3.8GHZ i3 would do well like the fx 6300 offcourse that i3 is $156 US while the fx 6300 is around $95 bucks

 

[frozentundra123456]

Seems like you are pretty good at looking up benchmarks. Perhaps you should have looked then up yourself *before* buying the processor.

 

[john5220]

The 6300 is $95 (and probably still falling) because there's much less cause for anyone to buy one now. You'd be wiser to grab an FX-8310 or FX-8320E.

As for your Pentium purchase . . . no comment. If only you had gotten a G3258 instead.

thanks for the advice

And yeah the G3258 came out just after I bought the G3220. Man it was such a bad timing on buying the setup lol

 

[positivedoppler]

the thing about multi player maps like 64 player battlefield 4 maps is that a dual core performs absolutely terrible.

I think the 4 threads of the i3 helps a good bit, but it does not beat a fx 6300 since Battlefield 4 does take advantage of 6 threads.

I think a 4MB cache 3.8GHZ i3 would do well like the fx 6300 offcourse that i3 is $156 US while the fx 6300 is around $95 bucks

have you tried mantle? i heard it does wonders fo 64 players bottleneck situations

 

[AtenRa]

For BF4 MP 64player, get an i5/i7 or change to AM3+ with FX8xxx platform.

 

[Cerb]

thanks for the advice

And yeah the G3258 came out just after I bought the G3220. Man it was such a bad timing on buying the setup lol

The bad timing was of buying with such a low budget.

~$180 would not have been able to buy a good Richland, Vishera, or Haswell processor with 4 or more HW threads. Even today, $180 will only manage that if you need nothing but the CPU and RAM.

That old thread had solid advice, which included other CPUs, and how the Pentium was not going to be an all-around great CPU. But, it was <$70.

For ~$250, you could have gotten a good FM2+ APU, Core i3, or FX-6300, but not for ~$180.

 

[Gikaseixas]

John for your new found use I would say i3 top end, i5 and up or FX 6xxx and up
By setting a low budget to start with you pretty much condemned yourself on the previous thread. Good luck with your next pick

 

[john5220]

^ thanks my dad wants a desktop PC so if he agrees by Christmas I will build him a new one using these parts from my intel and use his cash to build me a new AMD might end up going the updated fx 6 core aswell. Because I really want to spend the extra cash on a new video card. Maybe a GTX 760 would work great for Unreal Engine 4 for game development use.

 

[DominionSeraph]

You're lucky you didn't go with Faildozer. Your generator would have overloaded and set your grass hut alight.

 

[john5220]

^ True. But we use Solar in our grass huts now.

But yes I am fully aware that faildozer actually got bulldozed by the previous gen phenom II X4

 

[Yuriman]

It's very unlikely Intel will release an i3-K anytime in the near future.

Food for thought, you can't compare Sandy/Ivy i5 vs i3 vs FX and extrapolate Haswell performance from that, because Haswell has a wider core and benefits more from hyperthreading. More specifically, i5 Ivy to Haswell may only have seen 2-10%, but the improvement in i3's was MUCH larger, sometimes in the range of 30% or more. Note how the FX-6300 often beats Ivy Bridge but trails behind Haswell:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/intel-core-i3-4340-review/2/

 

[Yuriman]

Here are some non-gaming benchmarks:

^ For gaming, I'd take the i3 over even an overclocked FX, but the 6300 is cheaper and looks pretty good in other metrics, plus it has overclocking.

 

[john5220]

^ wow i didnt know sandy bridge to ivy to haswell was so huge in terms of i3

I used to think since the general view was 5% improvement in haswell it was useless

wonder what kind of performance increase I would see in multi threaded stuff going from my G3220 to a 3.5GHZ haswell refresh i3?

 

[Yuriman]

^ wow i didnt know sandy bridge to ivy to haswell was so huge in terms of i3

I used to think since the general view was 5% improvement in haswell it was useless

wonder what kind of performance increase I would see in multi threaded stuff going from my G3220 to a 3.5GHZ haswell refresh i3?

Take a look at Haswell i7 (4790k) vs i5 (4670k) stock vs stock and extrapolate from that. The clockspeed and hyperthreading difference makes it pretty close to equivalent:

In some benches, the i7 is performing almost 50% better, even taking clocks out of the equation. Hyperthreading gives a lot of bang-for-your-buck on Haswell.

 

[SPBHM]

wonder what kind of performance increase I would see in multi threaded stuff going from my G3220 to a 3.5GHZ haswell refresh i3?

g3220 is haswell... but the performance increase could be as high as 40% I think, because of HT + clock difference.


FX 6300 for under $100 is great value... it's just that.. when the workload is more dependent on the core performance you will see a clear disadvantage to haswell i3s, and it's tied to an older platform and inferior power efficiency..

if you can go for an i5 it's a clear win, but right now I would have to give some thought choosing between i3 4150 and FX 6300, most of the time I think the i3 would be a better pick, but not always.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Yep like I said top end i3 are great chips
That's what I would get

 

[john5220]

hmm from the looks of it the i3 is a much better buy for my money than if I was to sell my haswell mainboard etc and buy a AM3+ and then fx 6300

I believe I am just going to ger the i3, the hyper threading is pretty impressive I must say.

 

[SlowSpyder]

hmm from the looks of it the i3 is a much better buy for my money than if I was to sell my haswell mainboard etc and buy a AM3+ and then fx 6300

I believe I am just going to ger the i3, the hyper threading is pretty impressive I must say.

I think the FX6300 is a better CPU than an i3 if you overclock. But I don't know it is better enough to swap your board and everything to go to an older platform in AM3+. I'd try the i3, if that doesn't work look at other options.

 

[john5220]

^ yeah will have to try the i3. Swapping boards for a AM3+ is kinda pointless right now too much hassle.

 

[BSim500]

^ wow i didnt know sandy bridge to ivy to haswell was so huge in terms of i3

Intel "widened" the core with Haswell which makes HT work very well. It shows up more on i3's than i7's because the 4 real cores are used on i7's before HT has a chance to kick in. And yes, in some games, Haswell i3's are indeed up to +30% faster than Sandy Bridge i3's. See earlier BF4 Youtube vids I posted.

LOL! That makes i3 the first CPU that generates power, since fx6300 doesn't suck 100Watts.

Yes it often does on a platform level. See two sets of measured power consumption figures posted by two different people.

Also, no-frametime graphs on those videos. Useless.

Again, see Yuriman's frame-time benchies. FX6300 lags way behind. (And your own benchmark doesn't even include the FX6300). Problem is the same it's always been - no matter how may cores you pile onto a CPU - 6 / 8 / 300,000, etc, if each core is 50-70% slower then all it takes is for one of those cores to become saturated (hit 100% usage before the others) due to games developers not spending an extra year's development and a ton of money perfectly threading every single line of code, then frame-rates drop & frame-times climb. And if they could fulfill that theoretical fantasy of 100% perfectly threaded code, 100% of the time, with less than 1% deviation in core to core usage in reality, then they could also theoretically release their games totally bug free on launch day. :whiste:.

fx6300 overclocks like crazy. +20% OC (4.2GHz) is easy peasy. 30% (4.55) is probably average with any aftermarket cooler - a must have regardless if you are overclocking or not (who runs stock cooler?!) on cheapest motherboard (overclocking amd doesn't require fancy expensive mobos).

He already owns an Intel motherboard though. For the price of an FX 6300 + AMD motherboard + money back from selling Pentium, he could virtually buy an i5. You don't need a top-end "K" i5 either for gaming. Eg, if he lives near a Microcenter (or knows & trusts someone who does who could mail it to him), he could pick up an i5-4590 for $159 (minus whatever he got back from the Pentium) - and at this rate, that would last him a good 4-6 years probably until the "next, next gen" consoles in 2020.

 

[AtenRa]

^ yeah will have to try the i3. Swapping boards for a AM3+ is kinda pointless right now too much hassle.

Although Core i3 is a huge upgrade over Pentium G, go for the i5.

 

[Ieat]

Most people recommend Intel i series chips because they offer good all around performance with reasonable power draw. AMD chips offer very good performance in some areas but poor performance in others while sucking more electricity. Unfortunately, you went a little too low going with a Pentium g3220. Keep an eye out for deals on an i3. I've seen them on sale for as low as $85ish. I got one for that price a couple of weeks ago from tigerdirect. If that's too much and your board can overclock then maybe look for a g3258. They were on sale at Amazon and tigerdirect for $55 shipped a few days ago. Unfortunately its over now. But with black friday around the corner deals should be popping up.

 

[Bman123]

When your on a budget all you can do is get what you can afford. When you get advice and your usage changes that's no one's fault here. Just irks me to see you come in and call people idiots for giving you advice when you change your usage and act like it's their fault. Bad way to get help in the future man