How come people consider FDR such a great President?

[Dragnov]

- excutive order for the relocation/internment of Japanese Americans
- would not support the Spanish Republic against the fascists
- failed to act upon Hitler and his aggression (yes, other countries did also but so what... still a failure IMO). Still would not act, until attacked @ Pearl Harbor.
- threatened/attempted to pack the Supreme Court

Seemed to me he was a tool of (the often poor) public opinion...

His social programs? I think we can all agree, as good intentioned as they were, it was primarily the war that brought the US out of depression.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
- excutive order for the relocation/internment of Japanese Americans
- would not support the Spanish Republic against the fascists
- failed to act upon Hitler and his aggression (yes, other countries did also but so what... still a failure IMO). Still would not act, until attacked @ Pearl Harbor.
- threatened/attempted to pack the Supreme Court

Seemed to me he was a tool of (the often poor) public opinion...

His social programs? I think we can all agree, as good intentioned as they were, it was primarily the war that brought the US out of depression.

-Involvement in foreign wars were harder to justify during his time.

-The US was a racist country then. but then GWB has imprisoned people in Cuba for two years without due process.

-Involvement in foreign wars were hard to justify during his time.

-He thought that the implementation of his fiscal agenda was crucial for the economic well-being of his country.

 

[BatmanNate]

Maybe using Reagan as a comparison makes him seem like a better president that he was.

 

[Mrburns2007]

FDR also started Social Security if I recall rightly and that program is a bit of a mess.

 

[ReiAyanami]

Social Security was originally meant for elderly widows and the disabled, liberals in the 60's expanded is LBJ great society-style

FDR had to be pretty dam good, how else could he win FOUR elections until the curse of harrison killed him.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Social Security was originally meant for elderly widows and the disabled, liberals in the 60's expanded is LBJ great society-style

FDR had to be pretty dam good, how else could he win FOUR elections until the curse of harrison killed him.

Reagan won two terms of governor as well as two terms as President...

And yes, getting involved into foreign affairs were not conducive to the times, but that does not mean it still wasn't a failure. Yes it would've been highly unpopular and probably opposed by Congress, but if he was seeking to do whats best interest for the US, let alone the world, he should've acted.

America was much more rascist back then, so? FDR was a rascist then? Or did he just cave to rascist? Either way, still one of the worst acts ever done by a President... please note it was an executive order, meaning it was quickly put in by solely his decision. Bush and Cuba? I'm sorry, even that pales in comparison...

 

[ndee]

who's FDR?

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: ndee
who's FDR?

I hope you are kidding.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: ndee
who's FDR?

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 32nd American President

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: ndee
who's FDR?

I hope you are kidding.

geez, check his info, he is not from the U.S.

FDR is not such an important person to know about.

 

[ndee]

Thanks for Backup Xiety

Yes, but I just saw in the other thread that it was Franklin D. Roosevelt. Sorry that I'm not as smart as you are LordSegan.

 

[0roo0roo]

Stealing FDR's dime
Dismissing FDR as simply a "liberal icon" who must be replaced by Reagan on the dime diminishes both presidents -- as Nancy Reagan clearly knows.

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By Robert Scheer

Dec. 10, 2003 | You've got to love Nancy Reagan for the steadfast way she guards her husband's legacy against opportunistic political poachers -- the most recent example being her quick rejection of the boneheaded partisan move by nearly 90 congressional Republicans who signed on to a bill to have Reagan replace Franklin Delano Roosevelt on the dime. "I do not support this proposal, and I'm certain Ronnie would not," was her no-nonsense reply.

Of course her husband would agree. His father had a job in Roosevelt's New Deal, the program that saved his family and millions of others from starvation during the Great Depression. That's why Ronald Reagan voted for Roosevelt and became an active Democrat. Even after his conservative transformation, Reagan often insisted that he never left the party of Roosevelt, but rather that the Democratic Party changed over the years and left him.

Nancy Reagan, the daughter of a successful physician, did not suffer through the Depression years, but this is a classy lady not given to fads. "When our country chooses to honor a great president such as Franklin Roosevelt by placing his likeness on our currency, it would be wrong to remove him and replace him with another," she said. "It is my hope that the proposed legislation will be withdrawn."

What made this right-wing political ploy particularly objectionable was that FDR's commemoration on the dime, a year after his death, was in honor of the March of Dimes' support of the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, which Roosevelt founded in 1938. In the foundation's first year, more than 2.6 million dimes were mailed to the White House in what was to become one of the great private charity efforts. It led to the eventual eradication of polio, which Roosevelt had.




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Roosevelt picked the dime as the fund-raising device because he felt that everyone could afford to make at least that contribution. Like the AIDS epidemic, polio was a pervasive plague throughout the world. In a message now echoed in AIDS fundraising, Roosevelt viewed the fight against polio as a means of cultivating a greater awareness of our common humanity.

A Kansas City Star article reviewing this history quoted Roosevelt about the annual dances held on his birthday to raise funds and about the dime collections: "In sending a dime ... and in dancing that others may walk, we the people are striking a powerful blow in defense of American freedom and human decency. For the answer to class hatred, race hatred [and] ... religious hatred is the free expression of our love of our fellow man."

Not only did Roosevelt lead us against Hitler's fascism, but he also invigorated the populace, during the Depression and war, with the notion that responsibility for the commonweal be met by both the private and public sectors.

It is sad that Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., who initiated the campaign to get FDR off the dime, should dismiss him as simply a "liberal icon" who must be replaced with Reagan, "the conservative icon." That diminishes both presidents, who had leadership styles more complex than Souder's simplistic labels can hold. Fortunately, there are still some Republicans who can think outside of that tiny partisan box. An example is Secretary of State Colin Powell, who in his autobiography makes clear that he endorses much of what has come to be known as the Reagan revolution. But Powell cautions:

"Because I express these beliefs, some people have rushed to hang a Republican label around my neck. I am not, however, knee-jerk anti-government. I was born a New Deal, Depression-era kid. Franklin Roosevelt was a hero in my boyhood home. Government helped my parents by providing cheap public subway systems so that they could get to work, and public schools for their children, and protection under the law to make sure that labor was not exploited .... I received a free college education because New York taxed its citizens to make this investment in the sons and daughters of immigrants and the working class."

I was in Powell's class at the City College of New York and can attest that Roosevelt was a hero in all our classmates' homes, just as he had been in Reagan's. That shared memory of Roosevelt's immense contribution to this nation ought to be reason enough for not trying to steal FDR's dime.

salon.com

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: ndee
who's FDR?

I hope you are kidding.

geez, check his info, he is not from the U.S.

FDR is not such an important person to know about.

Yeah, he's only the president that led us through WWII...

 

[XZeroII]

The only reason he won 4 elections was because we were in a major depression and there wasn't a media like we have today to demonize him about it. All people knew was the depression was slowly going away and it must have been the president. People were ignorant.

 

[Fencer128]

As far as I can tell he made a good job of stealing all of the socialist party's best ideas and relabelling them as democrat initiatives.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Social Security was originally meant for elderly widows and the disabled, liberals in the 60's expanded is LBJ great society-style

FDR had to be pretty dam good, how else could he win FOUR elections until the curse of harrison killed him.

Reagan won two terms of governor as well as two terms as President...

And yes, getting involved into foreign affairs were not conducive to the times, but that does not mean it still wasn't a failure. Yes it would've been highly unpopular and probably opposed by Congress, but if he was seeking to do whats best interest for the US, let alone the world, he should've acted.

America was much more rascist back then, so? FDR was a rascist then? Or did he just cave to rascist? Either way, still one of the worst acts ever done by a President... please note it was an executive order, meaning it was quickly put in by solely his decision. Bush and Cuba? I'm sorry, even that pales in comparison...

In case you got handed W.'s copy of the Consitition, The real one says that Congress and not the president decided when to go to war.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: ndee
who's FDR?

I hope you are kidding.

geez, check his info, he is not from the U.S.

FDR is not such an important person to know about.

Yeah, he's only the president that led us through WWII...

I would hope jsut about everyone would know FDR. I'm an American, yet I know who Stalin and Churchill are.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Right wingers always complain about Reagan hatred. Its quite interesting to see here all the cheap shots those same people take at FDR.

Here's to hypocrisy :beer:

 

[CaptnKirk]

Franklin D. Rosevelt, 1882 - 1945

OK I was 16 months old when he passed away in his 4th term.
If you were not old enough to vote in the 1944 election, you really don't have a say.
If you were old enough to vote then you're about 80 years old and can't remember.

Each of his election victories were by landslides over the opponents, none were close, (Electyorla College)
although some look close in a popular vote count, they were not relevant in deciding the presidency.

Why did one guy toss in Reagans two six-year terms as the Governor of California to the 4-term thing ?
That's totally bogus, being a Governor of California is not a Presidential pre-requisite now is it ?
There have been others that were governors, or other elected office roles that had terms AND became POTUS.

If you had the misfortune of living in California while Ray-Gun was Governor, you know how dismal his
record really was, he happened to win a popularity contest based on his Star-Status, and tha's all.
He carried that same Star-Struck image to the white house to become one of the least responsible
presidents of all time, not the Reagan-God that the GOP is so despatare to make him out to be.
He had good speechwriters, and was an excelent actor who knew how to read from a Tele-promptor.
He just got lucky in that the Soviet Union collapsed financially when this administration and advisors
decided to run up a military defense budget - based on false data about other countires capabilities.
The Defense Department knew how incompetant the Soviet Miliraty really was back then, ant that the
only true threat was Nuclear, and they wouln't dare use it. By telling the general public that the 'Ruskies'
have all this stuff ready to use on us - so we have to build more for defense, they would panic the public
into submitting to their 'Fear of Impending War' (Sound familiar ?)

The Russians are Coming !, The Russians are coming !
Well guess what - They're here, and we hired them to come and work here for us,
usually at a lower wage then we offered to out own citizens, immigrants you know.
(And they ain't just Ukrainian Brides looking for a Geek)

 

[Dragnov]

In case you got handed W.'s copy of the Consitition, The real one says that Congress and not the president decided when to go to war.

In case you got handed W.'s copy of the Constitution, you would know that the President has several months to use troops overseas w/o the approval of Congress. Even more so, when when the President declares a national emergency.

And geez people, no I am not suggesting we should replace his figure on the dime w/ Reagan of all people.

I personally do not see how he "led us" through the war. He wouldn't react until we were attacked on our home soil...

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: Xiety

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: ndee
who's FDR?

I hope you are kidding.

geez, check his info, he is not from the U.S.

FDR is not such an important person to know about.

Yeah, he's only the president that led us through WWII...

I would hope jsut about everyone would know FDR. I'm an American, yet I know who Stalin and Churchill are.

The problem is, he for sure knows who F. Roosevelt is, but it's pretty normal for someone to not know who FDR is.

Would you know who I am talking about if I create topic about JVS?

 

[sandorski]

I think FDR is being unfairly judged. The times were different, Capitalism appearead, likely, to many people to have failed due to the stock market crash of 29 and Communism was gathering strength in the World as a new way. FDR had to counter-act these perceptions and had to deal with the economic realties of his time. Just because his Social programs changed afterwards or appeared similar to Communist ideals once the Cold War erupted is more of our misreading his time than anything else.

 

[ReiAyanami]

they should let Lockheed manufacture the reagan nickels. it'll only cost $5 each...

 

[Jhhnn]

I'll agree with OrooOroo on this one, and that's unusual. FDR stood his ground amid some of the giants of history- Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Churchill, Mussolini, Ghandi, Ho Chi Minh, and DeGaulle, to name a few.

While much of the rest of the world succumbed to the tyrannies of the left and right, he helped america avoid both, and instituted policies that set the stage for the postwar boom.

Putting Reagan in the same league is preposterous, an excellent example of spin from the political right...

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

In case you got handed W.'s copy of the Consitition, The real one says that Congress and not the president decided when to go to war.

In case you got handed W.'s copy of the Constitution, you would know that the President has several months to use troops overseas w/o the approval of Congress. Even more so, when when the President declares a national emergency.

And geez people, no I am not suggesting we should replace his figure on the dime w/ Reagan of all people.

I personally do not see how he "led us" through the war. He wouldn't react until we were attacked on our home soil...

You must still be reading off of W's go look up the real and come back when figure it out.