How come in Christianity....

[xEDIT409]

How come in Christianity, they believe that if one is not Christian or if they do not follow Jesus... something along those lines... they will go to hell?

I'm in a World Religions class, and today, we had a Minister come in as a guest speaker. When he said this, I asked him,

"Well sir, I'm Hindu, and so is my entire family. Back in India, my grandparents live in a remote agricultural village where Christianity or any other relgion except Hinduism and maybe Islam, don't exist. My grandparents are the nicest people I have ever met. They both used to be elementary teachers, they've contributed much of their time and money to their community, and overall, they're very good people. So which leads to my question... are they going to hell because they don't even know Christianity is a religon?

His response: "I'm very sorry to say, but, yes, they will be going to hell"

My reaction: :disgust: +

+ :Q + (A mix of those)

 

[StageLeft]

That is the belief of some, although your point illustrates why that belief is a stretch.

 

[MAME]

how come on atot.......

50% of threads about about religion?

 

[PunDogg]

haha and you belived him ahha

dude thats just scares people, i am hindu also, we beleive that we are reincarnated. thats what WE believe, everyone thinks about something else. but there is no right or wrong, i would ask your parents or your priest about books or something that can help you learn more about your relgion. there is soo much in hinduism that everyone can learn from. and soon you will believe, and that is faith.

Dogg

 

[Berkut]

The way to really get them going is to follow that up with

"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."

Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"

Fun with Xians!

 

[cressida]

hrmf hopefully this won't get big.

 

[PunDogg]

Originally posted by: cressida
hrmf hopefully this won't get big.

i bet it will hehehe

Dogg

 

[conjur]

Because blind faith in one's religion leads to arrogance.

"It's my way or the highway [to hell]"

 

[kranky]

I believe that God knows best what to do about people who have never heard the Gospel, and it's not up to me to condemn anyone.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

How come on ATOT people like to start religious flamewars, even if it's uninentional?

 

[cmdavid]

because only Jesus Saves...
this is an explanation of why that minister believes what said..

 

[Vonkhan]

u shudda bussa cap in hiz azz

 

[Flyermax2k3]

I think that minister was wrong. G-d would not be just in His offer of salvation if He didn't offer it to *everyone*, so it is my belief that those who die without having heard the Gospel will be given a second chance to accept Christ as their savior after death.
just my 2 cents

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with

"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."

Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"

Fun with Xians!

Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.

 

[rayray2]

Originally posted by: cmdavid
because only Jesus Saves...
this is an explanation of why that minister believes what said..

Thanks for the link! There some good stuff on that site!!

 

[xEDIT409]

Originally posted by: PunDogg
haha and you belived him ahha

dude thats just scares people, i am hindu also, we beleive that we are reincarnated. thats what WE believe, everyone thinks about something else. but there is no right or wrong, i would ask your parents or your priest about books or something that can help you learn more about your relgion. there is soo much in hinduism that everyone can learn from. and soon you will believe, and that is faith.

Dogg

Nah, i didnt believe him. I just asked him a Q.

 

[rayray2]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with

"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."

Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"

Fun with Xians!

Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.

The Bible does not give the specific age of accountability.

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with

"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."

Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"

Fun with Xians!

There's an age of the counting, where before that age you are not held responsible for your actions. It's not said exactly at what age it is, but it is there.

Also, murder is murder. Life on Earth is an experience that has been deemed good and desirable by God, and thus we protect it, as far as we can.

If you're going to mock something, please know what you're talking about, first.

 

[isasir]

As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a

, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: conjur
Because blind faith in one's religion leads to arrogance.

"It's my way or the highway [to hell]"

arrogance? That their religion is the true religion and all others are not the true way?

Yes, I believe most religious people believe that way. If a person believed they could get to heaven by being muslim, jewish, christian, etc then what's the point?

 

[Eli]

Sick and sad, that's my reaction.

Close minded, simple minded fools, they are. They can't see the forest for the trees.

They don't realize their religion is no different or better than the other, when it comes down to it. Religion is a way to teach people values, morals and history. Unfortunately, it is human nature to distort and use such things for personal or political advantages.

Like I've said in other threads...

Some Muslims lead happy lives, some do not. Some Christians lead happy lives, some do not. Some Jews lead happy lives, some do not. Some Hindus lead happy lives, some do not. Some Atheists lead happy lives, some do not. Some Buddhists lead happy lives, some do not. Some Agnostics lead happy lives, some do not.

My point is that it's your choice.

If you need faith to be happy, that is fine and there is nothing wrong with that. You must, however, practice what you preach and realize that everybody is not like you. Not everybody is content accepting things as fact through nothing more than word of mouth, or text in a book. And again, there is nothing wrong with that. It is a sign of a thinking mind.

I have found that I do not need faith in intangible beings or objects to be happy. To further explain, I used to be very religious. As in, I believed in God, Jesus, that all things good came through him, etc, etc, etc. I believed this because it was taught to me by my Dad.

I don't believe that anymore primarily because.. I see how religion is used as a crutch by people to explain things they either do not really care about or do not wish to think about beyond a simple, usually mystical explination. I see how many billions of people there are in the world, and I realize that there is no special person; we're all the same regardless of our religion, race, etc. The same thing happens to all of us. We are born, we live our lives, and we die. What you make of it is up to you. If you are a happy, content person when you die, good job. If you are not, I am sorry.

As for Heaven and Hell.. I think the biggest misconception is that they are some sort of physical places. I find that amusing actually, it must be human nature to "physicalize" inheirently mystical things.. anyway..

The kingdom of heaven is within you, no? Therefor, so is hell. All that is to say is that you create your own heaven or hell. Again, it's up to you.

Just some thoughts...

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: rayray2

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with

"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."

Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"

Fun with Xians!

Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.

The Bible does not give the specific age of accountability.

It is in the Mosaic Law. A man is not a man until he has reached the age of 20.

 

[marquee]

I had a christian friend who was trying convert a hindu friend. The hindu friend asked the same question, 'what happens to people who've never heard about christianity?'

the christian friend responded that God made special considerations to people who were never offered the chance to believe.

my hindu friend replied, 'gee thanks, now you've just ruined my chances.'

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with

"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."

Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"

Fun with Xians!

Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.

My Lord, you haven't even read the commandments.

but there is no right or wrong

uh uh. There is a right and wrong. There is fact, and there is fiction. Just because you can't pin point it doesn't mean that there isn't one.

 

[xEDIT409]

Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a

, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.

Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.

Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".