How can we unite to Squash the great army of the DPC - Edited to reduce negative impact.

Twioz

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Perhaps if we all just picked one project or two we could beat the dpc in something. I of course am part of the problem. Every few months when some team cries out for help I switch distributed projects. Are there any projects we should scrap in order to bolster another? Any thoughts or Ideas? (please dont flame its just a thought)
/puts on asbestos clothing/
 

Rickman2

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Well, the SETI@HOME project is still something you've beaten the DPC with...

The question you SHOULD be asking is:

"Can we beat the Dutch in anything?" :D
 

BurntKooshie

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This sucks that this forum too has degenerated (it degenerated long ago) to the point of having to put on asbestos suits....

/me joins in the new attire

Anyhow, people have, do, and will run what they want. If people ask for a few extra people to switch, some people (like you 'n me) invariably will.

The point is, the DPC were small. They are now VERY large. This is, in part, due to mass hyping on the front page (or, so I'm told, I don't check out their main site often). If Anand pimped distributed computing, two things would happen. We'd get a massive influx of members every time he pimped it. Two, we'd have a royal mess on our hands with over-eager guys willing to overdo it (meaning, it'd be a mess, even more so than now, to keep people "in-line" about not flaming other teams, etc). Of course, fresh minds and new people always help invigorate the team, so that's a good thing in a sense (even besides the added horse power).

I just don't think we should concentrate in one thing. I mean, seriously, it gets boring. We're still kicking the snot out of them in S@H, I'm not sure where we stand in Gamma Flux (may it rest in piece....). Yes, we're behind in RC5, but the rift between the two teams (on daily's) is decreasing...that is to say, the rate of change of their overall RC5 block-count is decreasing. They're catching up in OGR, but maybe we can hold them off.

I think the point is that this is for fun (and if you're russ, to dominate and destroy ;) ), and once it ceases to be fun, a lot of us will leave. Being abandonded by the rest of the team in a project is rather disheartening, and it makes it to be not very fun. I think this happened with a few members that I know of. The bickering that can go on, at times, is also disheartening to some, and I've seen a few either leave, or become more reclusive because of it.

I say, go forth and multiply, as that's the best way to keep up and stay ahead of the DPC.:D
 

Assimilator1

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Yeah we are annialating DPC in SETI :D

And I don't think that any running projects should be scrapped :).
Each team will just have to make do.

.........I don't see any flames here yet ;)

BK
You're jumping the gun a little aren't you?:p ,I don't see any flames yet:)
 

Twioz

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Of course there is no flames! I am now flame proof Watch!

/poors gasoline over head.
/strikes match
/SCREAMS IN PAIN CLUTCHING FEET

Doh! forgot Asbestos socks!
 

nexus9

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We're also beating them in genome@home (genomeathome.stanford.edu)...

Actually I thought Anand had been doing a reasonable job (although by no means excessive) promoting the team(s). I see TA stuff in the FAQ section of the site, and the "Learn About Team Anandtech" pops up every 25 visits or so on the main page (under "Featured Article").

-Nexus9
 

BadThad

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BK - LMAO...so Anand is our "pimp". :D That makes us DC Whores. HAHAHAHAHA
 

DanC

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<< Can we beat the Dutch in anything >>



We can beat the Dutch in everything. There's always this Dutch vs American thing that crops up. There's no competition whatsoever. Anandtech is just one team, and multinational. If it were a US vs. anyone else competition it would be over. Given that it's essentially Anandtech vs the entire country, that's not too shabby. Kind of like being all puffed up with self-importance that a professional NBA team can wax a junior college. Duh - it's never been an apples/apples comparison.

United States 16,687 Participants 6,235,671,249 Blocks 373,684 per person
Netherlands 5,132 Participants 1,407,136,313 Blocks 274,189 per person


 

Viztech

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Well, the bottom line is that people are going to do whatever interests them and what their machines are good at. Having said that....

Seti is probably the last project that we should give up on. The new generation CPUs (Pentium 4s and Palominos) are great at it anyway. It is the most efficient use of Pentium 4s between what projects are out there. The special nature of Seti has an attraction all it's own for many people.

RC5 is the sacred cow (no pun intended) It is so easy to run, and can easily be set to run OGR as a backup (too bad so many people set OGR to =0)when the RC5 key is found.

As I mentioned above, OGR should be the backup project to all those 'remote cow' RC5 boxes out there. OGR is a very worthwhile venture, and uses the already wonderful Dnet infrastructure. OGR is by far the most efficient project for K6 CPUs. ;)

Personally, I like to see the TeAm move toward OGR for awhile, at least until OGR-25 is complete. We are still #1, but the DPCs are hot on our heals. It is a very attainable goal with an end in sight.

viz
 

Bakwetu

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Although this is mainly an American forum, there are quite a few other nationalities here. Pluesss, don't forget us ;)
 

DanC

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<< Anandtech is just one team, and multinational >>



My attempt at doing so. ;)
 

JollyP1

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<< Anandtech is just one team, and multinational >>



DPC is just one of the European teams, we just happen to be a dutch team, so whats your point?

 

Train

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How come the negative spirited threads are always started by a Junior Member, or 'Member' and by people who have both email visibility and Profiles turned off?

Maybe id accept a statement like &quot;Can we beat the DPC in anything? &quot; from a Golden member, maybe senior, but not this guy, I dont know about you guys but it just doesnt seem like we should even give this thread the time of day.

Sorry Frankenputer if you took offense to my words, nothing personal.
 

Dutchman2000

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looking at your 'statement' from another side, why is it that when any thread is started by a reletive &quot;newbee&quot; on your forums containing both the words TA and DPC you allways imply foul play / flaming / covert operations by an unnamed party ? (and I think it is fair to presume you point the finger at us)

Happy fourth of Juli by the way
 

Assimilator1

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Whilst controversial I think Frankenputer post is meant to be just a question ,rather than a negatively intended post.
He's newish here so presumabley hasn't seen the previous threads asking 'why don't we do just 1 project?' ,etc.

btw he does have PM enabled &amp; I don't show my Email add either
 

BlackBiker

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Well guys, i'm glad to see that no flaming is going on here.

Being a very junior member, just my 2 cents....

The bottom line is that S@NL is founded to help a great science project. S@H is a quest for a remote possibility to find proof of other lifeforms existing. Well that is not entirely true, they must also be able to communicate in one way or another.
Personaly I started doing Seti for that purpose only.
When I was crunching for a few moths all by my lonesome, I found the S@NL team. Being Dutch joining them was the obvious thing to do.

We choose to do do S@H only, accept for the rainforrest thing that only takes a few mouseclicks a day.
I might say that our team is mainly in it for the fun of it and still... to help this science endavour the guys at Berkeley started.

OK, as time passed by, the team started growing and growing and growing and now we are a major player in the Seti community. But still, it's all for the fun of it.
Just teasing you guys a bit with your attempts to overtake us is part of the game and the fun. And as long everybody understands that it is all meant to be a tease in a friendly way, no flaming can be expected.

I see you guys not as evil enemies that we have to dominate and destroy, but more as a couple of kindred spirits that try to do the best for science and have fun doing it. OK, now we are spanking your butt, but who knows, maybe in time you get a &quot;Cobra&quot; and will win this race after all. No hard feelings. That's all in the game.

And BTW, the fact you are doing almost all of the DC projects and are major players in all of them, just makes your TeAm more something to be proud on!
 

Russ

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<< DPC is just one of the European teams, we just happen to be a dutch team, so whats your point? >>



Now, I realize that it has been a couple of centuries since I took a geography class but, last I heard, &quot;Europe&quot; was a continent, not a country.

Thus, his point would be that if we compare the US (a single country) production to the Dutch (a single country) production, as seems to be constantly done, the Dutch really aren't even in the same league.

Now, as to the topic of this thread; no question, the DPC have done well. But, as BK pointed out, the daily gap is narrowing, and there are still plenty of individual participant asses to kick along the way.:)

Russ, NCNE
 

Robor

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Well, the TA SETI team is kicking the living crap out of the DPC in SETI@Home and up until several weeks ago (before a powerhouse named Cobra joined the S@N team) we were gaining ground on them as well.

I'd like to add that I think it's pointless to compare &quot;our country&quot; against &quot;your country&quot;. Most teams are made up of members throughout the world and that's not what this is about anyway. People are naturally defensive of their homeland and no good is going to come out of it. I prefer to look at it as Team Anandtech vs. Team Seti@Netherlands.

Let's not spoil the good fun and competition between Team Anandtech, the DPC, and S@N. :)

Rob
 

Twioz

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First of all I didnt intend this to be a flame session of any other team or team member, hence I joked about not flaming me. Second please dont assume that because it says &quot;member&quot; and not &quot;Diamond Member&quot; that I havent been coming here for a very, very long time and have contributed money to the cause. I lost my password several years ago to my Original handle which is Twioz. I had since got a new email address so that it was not possible for me to get my name back.
If you approach this thread in a possitive manner (or any other) then you will get alot more out of these forums.
Also let it be know that I LOVE THE DPC! Without them these battles would not be worth as much but there are a great team and have shown that. So beating them would be such a delite. Of course if we loose in any of the projects we have lost to a worthy apponent.

Hope that clears up a few things and I do understand what your concern was so there you have a bit from my perspective.

P.S. Even with Twioz I never posted a bunch, much more of a lurker I am.
 

eNeRGy

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Just wan't to say I love te battle too :)

(of course that's easy to say when you are #1 in a contest)
 

Assimilator1

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Second please dont assume that because it says &quot;member&quot; and not &quot;Diamond Member&quot; that I havent been coming here for a very, very long time and have contributed money to the cause

Whoops!,sorry:eek: