How can Pence say that the impeachment hearings are..

[Vic]

How can Pence say that the impeachment hearings are the Democrats trying to overturn the results of 2016 election, while the Republican party has active recall efforts in various states with Democratic governors/legislatures? Seems like "you lost, get over it" isn't advice they'll willing to apply to themselves.

Article with Pence quote:

Pence advised Trump against releasing partial transcript of Ukraine call: report

Vice President Pence urged President Trump not to release a memo detailing his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky this week amid a scandal over Trump’s efforts to persuade …

thehill.com

Article about GOP recall campaigns:

In some states, GOP sees the recall as its way back to power

As Republican political power has declined in some Western states, the GOP sees recall elections as a way to regain seats and influence.

www.apnews.com

 

[cytg111]

There is no honor to these shenanigans, only what might re-energize one more alt-right voter.

 

[balloonshark]

We need to put a boot to the neck of this party until it quits squirming and its eyes gaze into the fiery abyss.

Hypocrites. Every last one of them.

 

[SlowSpyder]

That is 100% exactly what it is. Pence is spot on. The tantrum left still hasn't come to grips with not winning the election. Before Trump got in office there were calls to impeach. Just the everybody gets a trophy crowd not getting their way. Children.

 

[Vic]

That is 100% exactly what it is. Pence is spot on. The tantrum left still hasn't come to grips with not winning the election. Before Trump got in office there were calls to impeach. Just the everybody gets a trophy crowd not getting their way. Children.

I'm glad that we can agree that Republicans are throwing childish tantrums, and can't come to grips with not winning the 2018 elections, with their all of their recall campaigns. Clearly the Republicans are just upset about not getting their trophies, especially where they are trying to recall governors and legislators that won elections by 10 or more percentage points.

 

[tweaker2]

Pence is compelled to say whatever it takes to succeed Trump as POTUS.

Repeat: Whatever it takes. He can replace Trump the easy way through succession, or if through the elective process, he may get the job only if he faithfully supports and mimics Trump's dishonest "mob boss style of governance" until the day after he takes over and implements his corrupted "faith based theocratic form of governance".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That is 100% exactly what it is. Pence is spot on. The tantrum left still hasn't come to grips with not winning the election. Before Trump got in office there were calls to impeach. Just the everybody gets a trophy crowd not getting their way. Children.

Well Pence is now tossed under the bus by your hero, Trump. Pence can try to break minds such as those supporting Trump with conditioning used in 1984. 2+2 is sometimes four or 3 or sometimes many things all at the same time, what ever the Party says, or in this case your ilk.

I'll not assume you are up on things but Trump said Pence made calls to Ukraine and that ought to be investigated.

Damn this is amusing from a we're going to hell in a bucket baby perspective.

 

[Homerboy]

How can Pence say that the impeachment hearings are the Democrats trying to overturn the results of 2016 election, while the Republican party has active recall efforts in various states with Democratic governors/legislatures? Seems like "you lost, get over it" isn't advice they'll willing to apply to themselves.

Article with Pence quote:

Pence advised Trump against releasing partial transcript of Ukraine call: report

Vice President Pence urged President Trump not to release a memo detailing his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky this week amid a scandal over Trump’s efforts to persuade …

thehill.com

Article about GOP recall campaigns:

In some states, GOP sees the recall as its way back to power

As Republican political power has declined in some Western states, the GOP sees recall elections as a way to regain seats and influence.

www.apnews.com

Because he, and the entirety of the new GOP are hypocritical assholes?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

People have missed the most obvious answer as to how Pence can do this. Trump sticks his arm up the back of Pence's shirt and pokes the levers and pulls the strings.

Easy peasy.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I'm sure the Republicans would be happy if Trump just resigned. They get to keep a rubber-stamp president, can blame the Dems for forcing Trump out, and no longer have to wake up each morning wondering what kind of crazy behavior they have to make excuses for.

 

[brandonbull]

If these are dirty political tricks, I guess the Progressheviks don't like being on the business end of them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If these are dirty political tricks, I guess the Progressheviks don't like being on the business end of them.

So when is Trumps (your) Justice Department going to do something about it?
Been 2 1/2 years no action. When can I expect to see something happen?

 

[Jhhnn]

Soliciting political dirt from a foreign govt to support a campaign is against the law. And that's exactly what Trump has done w/ Ukraine. It's right there in the transcript released by the White House. "Do us a favor" means "do my campaign a favor". That's just the way it is & everybody knows it. Every right wing talking head in existence will deny it happened & frame it as something else, of course, to protect Trump. Directing the DNI to withhold a whistle blower complaint from Congress is also against the law. Only the integrity of IG Atkinson prevented that from happening.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Soliciting political dirt from a foreign govt to support a campaign is against the law. And that's exactly what Trump has done w/ Ukraine. It's right there in the transcript released by the White House. "Do us a favor" means "do my campaign a favor". That's just the way it is & everybody knows it. Every right wing talking head in existence will deny it happened & frame it as something else, of course, to protect Trump. Directing the DNI to withhold a whistle blower complaint from Congress is also against the law. Only the integrity of IG Atkinson prevented that from happening.

Doesn't matter if this is found a violation of law or not, don't be diverted by any arguments. What matter is that Trump pressured the President of a foreign nation for personal benefit against his political opposition. That is a violation of his responsibilities and duties as the Executive and ALONE is sufficient for impeachment and removal. Quid pro quo? Irrelevant. Illegal? Sitting Presidents can't be prosecuted as Mueller concluded. This can't be allowed to framed as legal violation for which there are constant counter-arguments. The relevant thing is what Trump said and did and that's the beginning and end of it as far as ending his term is concerned. Biden's and his son are the distraction and damn it I'm not going to be diverted.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Recalls are done by the People.

Recall Rose Bird.

Rose Bird

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Recall Grey Davis

California gubernatorial recall election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Impeachment isn't done by the people, it's done by the elites.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Recalls are done by the People.

Recall Rose Bird.

Rose Bird

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Recall Grey Davis

California gubernatorial recall election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Impeachment isn't done by the people, it's done by the elites.

Cool story Bro

 

[Jhhnn]

Doesn't matter if this is found a violation of law or not, don't be diverted by any arguments. What matter is that Trump pressured the President of a foreign nation for personal benefit against his political opposition. That is a violation of his responsibilities and duties as the Executive and ALONE is sufficient for impeachment and removal. Quid pro quo? Irrelevant. Illegal? Sitting Presidents can't be prosecuted as Mueller concluded. This can't be allowed to framed as legal violation for which there are constant counter-arguments. The relevant thing is what Trump said and did and that's the beginning and end of it as far as ending his term is concerned. Biden's and his son are the distraction and damn it I'm not going to be diverted.

Please. You just blurred out an easily proveable high crime behind a vague dereliction of duty screen. The transcript speaks for itself. Trump knowingly & willfully broke the law to advance his political campaign. He broke the law again when he directed the DNI to withhold the whistle blower complaint from Congress. The HOR is obligated to impeach him for that, plain & simple The silence of everybody who heard the conversation or buried the actual official record of it makes them corrupt & complicit after the fact. They knew Trump was breaking the law as the words came out of his mouth.

 

[woolfe9998]

Doesn't matter if this is found a violation of law or not, don't be diverted by any arguments. What matter is that Trump pressured the President of a foreign nation for personal benefit against his political opposition. That is a violation of his responsibilities and duties as the Executive and ALONE is sufficient for impeachment and removal. Quid pro quo? Irrelevant. Illegal? Sitting Presidents can't be prosecuted as Mueller concluded. This can't be allowed to framed as legal violation for which there are constant counter-arguments. The relevant thing is what Trump said and did and that's the beginning and end of it as far as ending his term is concerned. Biden's and his son are the distraction and damn it I'm not going to be diverted.

Agreed. While I think the criminal statute applies here, Trump has violated his oath of office as set forth in the Constitution by abusing his power for personal gain. That is sufficient grounds for impeachment. More than sufficient.

 

[woolfe9998]

Please. You just blurred out an easily proveable high crime behind a vague dereliction of duty screen. The transcript speaks for itself. Trump knowingly & willfully broke the law to advance his political campaign. He broke the law again when he directed the DNI to withhold the whistle blower complaint from Congress. The HOR is obligated to impeach him for that, plain & simple The silence of everybody who heard the conversation or buried the actual official record of it makes them corrupt & complicit after the fact. They knew Trump was breaking the law as the words came out of his mouth.

I don't think the fact that the POTUS swears an oath to faithfully execute his duties is a vague argument. I think a POTUS who uses the powers of his office for personal gain has violated the Constitution. He may also have violated a criminal statute. Nothing says you have to pick and choose between the two.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Please. You just blurred out an easily proveable high crime behind a vague dereliction of duty screen. The transcript speaks for itself. Trump knowingly & willfully broke the law to advance his political campaign. He broke the law again when he directed the DNI to withhold the whistle blower complaint from Congress. The HOR is obligated to impeach him for that, plain & simple The silence of everybody who heard the conversation or buried the actual official record of it makes them corrupt & complicit after the fact. They knew Trump was breaking the law as the words came out of his mouth.

Bullshit, as Commander in Chief the President is obligated to examine and investigate corruption by officials once in the government (Biden) and any money/aid sent to other nations. No law was broken, but you may cite the exact Statute you think may have been broken and a Judicial ruling on it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Trump should be impeached for his stupid hair. He'd look more dignified with a banana in his ear.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Trump should be impeached for his stupid hair. He'd look more dignified with a banana in his ear.

OK, maybe i can see impeaching him for bad hair. Can we recall his barber?

 

[Jhhnn]

Bullshit, as Commander in Chief the President is obligated to examine and investigate corruption by officials once in the government (Biden) and any money/aid sent to other nations. No law was broken, but you may cite the exact Statute you think may have been broken and a Judicial ruling on it.

So dishonest. I'm sure the relevant statutes will be noted in the writ of impeachment. You can also read it here, (a)(2)-

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52%20section:30121%20edition:prelim)

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Please. You just blurred out an easily proveable high crime behind a vague dereliction of duty screen. The transcript speaks for itself. Trump knowingly & willfully broke the law to advance his political campaign. He broke the law again when he directed the DNI to withhold the whistle blower complaint from Congress. The HOR is obligated to impeach him for that, plain & simple The silence of everybody who heard the conversation or buried the actual official record of it makes them corrupt & complicit after the fact. They knew Trump was breaking the law as the words came out of his mouth.

Actually this point was brought up by Preet Bharara on his podcast. Quick, call him up and tell him what you just told me because obviously you think a Federal Prosecutor of renown is an idiot.

The bottom line is that Woolfe and Preet are right and you aren't. You would rather have a fight than win. How foolish.

 

[alcoholbob]

We need to put a boot to the neck of this party until it quits squirming and its eyes gaze into the fiery abyss.

Hypocrites. Every last one of them.

Although if you look from a conservative perspective, if hierarchy is your highest order value, you are intentionally doing these actions because they contribute to your goals--i.e., "winning", then it's simply using liberal's system--and consistency and principles--against them in the pursuit of that goal. Being called names is merely a small price to pay to achieve their goals.

Remember when you are conservative, every game is a zero sum game. Win-win does not exist in the conservative mind. So even if everyone is thrown back into the stone age, as long as your hierarchy reigns supreme, then you've achieved your goal.