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How can I believe McCain will reform Gov't?

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GTKeeper

Golden Member
Ok, this kind of made me sick to my stomach.

Read the story here:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561/output/print


How the hell is McCain trying to convince me that he will reform gov't and get rid of all the crooks and cronies when crap like this is happening behind the scenes.

I don't care that Davis got 15k/month from Freddie if people are being honest and saying 'yes, he is under contract as a consultant etc., but if McCain is saying that Davis severed ties from Freddie/Fannie how do I trust him as president ? If he is telling me one thing but doing another, I feel like that 15k was STOLEN from me.

I seriously doubt now that he will clean house and get rid of the 'cronies' as he has said so many times.
 
What McCain meant to say was... "I don't want to hurt your small middle class brains with the truth, so I'll just give you a nice soft lie..."
 
the answer is simple...you cant.

The lies and politricks he is playing is not relly designed to get YOU to think that he will. Its designed to get the dullards in middle america to think it. It sounds like a rediculous strategy - but it has been working for reps for decades now.
 
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
When did Davis last work for the firm? Allegedly, he hasn't even taken a check from them since '06, IIRC.
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Read the article? He took the last check for 15k last month.... and SAID he severed all ties since 06.
 
You mean like how bho has a former head on freddie (or was it fannie?) on his economic board and how he collected the second most contributions from freddie and fannie.
 
Where's the "crime"? This looks like the media doing hatchet stuff for BO (again). So a legit consulting biz was paid by a huge institution - hardly a crime.

"It is not unusual for major corporations to enter into consulting retainers so that individuals could be available if needed. And the two sources stressed that Davis at no time made any threats or demands on Freddie Mac."

This article has nothing but idle speculations.

Meanwhile we hear nothing about Jim Johnson the man who ran Kid Sunshines VP selection and who also was CEO of Fannie Mae and a managing director with (the now buggered) Lehman Brothers. Johnson also received loans directly from Angelo Mozilo, the CEO of Countrywide Financial, one company implicated in the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis.

BO is filthy with ties to the financial mess but the media says nothing
 
Originally posted by: lupi
You mean like how bho has a former head on freddie (or was it fannie?) on his economic board and how he collected the second most contributions from freddie and fannie.
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I thought he was #1 in the the last couple of years.

 
Originally posted by: lupi
You mean like how bho has a former head on freddie (or was it fannie?) on his economic board and how he collected the second most contributions from freddie and fannie.
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Way to parrot JSM talking points - while they hold a modicum of truth do not in fact represent the full picture
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/727/
SNL sure hit the nail on the head this weekend with their sketch on mccain - take a small chunk of the big picture and the followers will eat it up and believe it as gospel.
 
Originally posted by: lupi
You mean like how bho has a former head on freddie (or was it fannie?) on his economic board and how he collected the second most contributions from freddie and fannie.
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Is McCain justified then? Two wrongs make a right in this case? So just because the libs break the rules, so can the GOP? I don't get that logic.
 
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Where's the "crime"? This looks like the media doing hatchet stuff for BO (again). So a legit consulting biz was paid by a huge institution - hardly a crime.
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Like I said, I don't have an issue that he got paid. I have an issue that he said that he hasn't been involved since 2006.

Now if he tells me that 'oh, I didn't realize I was still getting paid' then thats a load of CRAP because I sure as hell wouldn't miss 15k / month on my company's balance sheet.
 
How is Obama going to enact "change" when Dems are getting fed in hand by all the mortgage companies, or why will he. All the politicians make up this BS about changing things and it goes no where. If it's time for anything it's time to form restructure the government.
 
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: lupi
You mean like how bho has a former head on freddie (or was it fannie?) on his economic board and how he collected the second most contributions from freddie and fannie.
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Is McCain justified then? Two wrongs make a right in this case? So just because the libs break the rules, so can the GOP? I don't get that logic.
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What is worse the candidate taking the money or someone on his campaign team?

I have a feeling if the tables were turned you would see a huge difference.
 
Originally posted by: mooseracing
How is Obama going to enact "change" when Dems are getting fed in hand by all the mortgage companies, or why will he. All the politicians make up this BS about changing things and it goes no where. If it's time for anything it's time to form restructure the government.
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Now his campaign slogan is more of the same.
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: lupi
You mean like how bho has a former head on freddie (or was it fannie?) on his economic board and how he collected the second most contributions from freddie and fannie.
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Is McCain justified then? Two wrongs make a right in this case? So just because the libs break the rules, so can the GOP? I don't get that logic.
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What is worse the candidate taking the money or someone on his campaign team?

I have a feeling if the tables were turned you would see a huge difference.
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Like I said, I don't care they took the money.... I care that they LIED about getting any since the supposed severence in 2006. I don't like that Obama took Freddie/Fannie money either. I just feel that though McCain and his compaign is lying to my face right now about their actions and still asking for my vote.
 
How can you believe Obama will reform government?

He voted present over 100 times since he has been in office. He is a spineless coward.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
How can you believe Obama will reform government?

He voted present over 100 times since he has been in office. He is a spineless coward.
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I remember when he attacked Hillary or Edwards for their voting record and they mentioned him voting present 100+ times and he was speechless.

 
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
When did Davis last work for the firm? Allegedly, he hasn't even taken a check from them since '06, IIRC.
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Read the article? He took the last check for 15k last month.... and SAID he severed all ties since 06.
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Did YOU read the article?
But neither the Times story?nor the McCain campaign?revealed that Davis's lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, based in Washington, D.C., continued to receive $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac until last month?long after the Homeownership Alliance had been terminated.
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Therefore, my question still stands: When did Davis last work for the firm? Allegedly, he hasn't even taken a check from them since '06, IIRC.
 
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Where's the "crime"? This looks like the media doing hatchet stuff for BO (again). So a legit consulting biz was paid by a huge institution - hardly a crime.
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Like I said, I don't have an issue that he got paid. I have an issue that he said that he hasn't been involved since 2006.

Now if he tells me that 'oh, I didn't realize I was still getting paid' then thats a load of CRAP because I sure as hell wouldn't miss 15k / month on my company's balance sheet.
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"He" != "the firm".

When was he last involved with / paid by the firm?
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
How can you believe Obama will reform government?

He voted present over 100 times since he has been in office. He is a spineless coward.
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130 times actually out of over 4000 votes!

Have you even bothered to find out what a present vote represents in the Illinois Senate!

As for being cowardly . Which is more cowardly voting present or not bothering to show up for a vote involving vets, of which you are one, and instead attending a fund raiser in California!
 
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: piasabird
How can you believe Obama will reform government?

He voted present over 100 times since he has been in office. He is a spineless coward.
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130 times actually out of over 4000 votes!

Have you even bothered to find out what a present vote represents in the Illinois Senate!

As for being cowardly . Which is more cowardly voting present or not bothering to show up for a vote involving vets, of which you are one, and instead attending a fund raiser in California!
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McCain was a Senator for 20+ years and has thousands of votes. Obama was a Senator for 1 year before he started running.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
McCain was a Senator for 20+ years and has thousands of votes. Obama was a Senator for 1 year before he started running.
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McCain made 26 years of bad votes.
 
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Where's the "crime"? This looks like the media doing hatchet stuff for BO (again). So a legit consulting biz was paid by a huge institution - hardly a crime.
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Like I said, I don't have an issue that he got paid. I have an issue that he said that he hasn't been involved since 2006.

Now if he tells me that 'oh, I didn't realize I was still getting paid' then thats a load of CRAP because I sure as hell wouldn't miss 15k / month on my company's balance sheet.
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"He" != "the firm".

When was he last involved with / paid by the firm?
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He != the firm if he has no direct benefit post 2006 as he is claiming

Even if he's not on the firm's payroll he is an owner of it and will get a cut of the 15,000/month (I don't know what his stake is in the firm).
 
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
When did Davis last work for the firm? Allegedly, he hasn't even taken a check from them since '06, IIRC.
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Read the article? He took the last check for 15k last month.... and SAID he severed all ties since 06.
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Did YOU read the article?
But neither the Times story?nor the McCain campaign?revealed that Davis's lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, based in Washington, D.C., continued to receive $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac until last month?long after the Homeownership Alliance had been terminated.
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Therefore, my question still stands: When did Davis last work for the firm? Allegedly, he hasn't even taken a check from them since '06, IIRC.
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Davis also said he "had a severed leave of absence" from his lobbying and consulting firm, and "I've taken no compensation from my firm for 18 months." (A campaign spokesman said that Davis receives no partnership distribution under his arrangement).
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but that's probably another lie
 
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