How can a State be democratic?

[Anarchist420]

I don't see how it could be because the people rule in a democracy and because democracies eventually go their own separate ways from one other.

A democracy implies no hierarchical organization unlike a State which is hierarchy.

A Presidential republic is a stupid idea and is really nothing more than a monarchy because it is hierarchical. How can you have majority rule with minority rights? That's either nebulous or an outright contradiction isn't it?

 

[EagleKeeper]

The hierarchy is by choice, not requirement.

As long as the hierarchy can be removed/revoked what is the issue.

Majority rule with minority rights is what we presently have; designed with checks and balances.
The minority has the ability to prevent a complete subjugation of them by the majority.
Which is what we have now.

There are Liberals/progressives that would prefer no checks and balances now that they are in power; it would re-enforce their hold over the system.

 

[Anarchist420]

The hierarchy is by choice, not requirement.

It is not by individual choice because the Executive has the most power. I'm not allowed to overthrow govts but the executive is.

The Constitution set up a hierarchy. The Executive is the strongest and the people's branch is the weakest.

As long as the hierarchy can be removed/revoked what is the issue.

I'm not allowed to free myself from being governed by the elites.

If leaders can't be removed at will by the majority, then that's not a democracy.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The hierarchy is by choice, not requirement.

It is not by individual choice because the Executive has the most power. I'm not allowed to overthrow govts but the executive is.
The Executive is an extension of the people by their choice in an election

The Constitution set up a hierarchy. The Executive is the strongest and the people's branch is the weakest.
The constitution setup a three way government. Congress has checks over the Executive branch. The Executive was designed to execute Congress wishes. the Judicial is to ensure that neither over steps their bounds.

Now if the Executive punts responsibilities to Congress or Congress abdicates responsibilities to the Executive or Judicial; that is each branches doing; not the original design.

As long as the hierarchy can be removed/revoked what is the issue.

I'm not allowed to free myself from being governed by the elites. That is you by choice, not by design

If leaders can't be removed at will by the majority, then that's not a democracy..

You have the ability to remove yourself from the existing hierarchy by multiple ways.

• Reject those that you disagree with
• Become one of them yourself to work from within to change the system.
• Work from the outside by enlisting others to you POV and getting those in the hierarchy so see things you way.

If you choose to not participate, then you get what you deserve .

 

[justoh]

How could a non-state be democratic?

 

[biostud]

I'm not allowed to free myself from being governed by the elites.

To some degree you are. But since you most likely have to interact with other people you'll have to adjust to what the majority think is right.

Total anarchy will always result in some sort of order, by law or by force.

 

[Anarchist420]

How could a non-state be democratic?

Protestant denominations are democratic (i.e., they can split from each other without a higher church saying there can only be one) while the Church of Rome is hierarchical.

Private companies can be democratic (Publix is an example if they don't have a CEO, I don't know whether they do) or they can be like Ford was under Henry Ford.

Education can be democratic if there is no teacher and if the students just teach each other taking turns where there is enough support. However, if there is a teacher, then it is hierarchical and that's why the current education system doesn't work for many people... the teacher doesn't have to be as smart as the students.

The Articles of Confederation was democratic because there was no hierarchy and that's the way it should be. The Constitution is very hierarchical. You go from the peoples' branch (the House of Rep.) to the Senate (fixed at two members per State, serve the longest terms, 2/3 get to ratify treaties while the House has no say; 2/3 have the sole power to remove the Executive, and only an absolute majority are required to confirm Presidential appointees) to an unelected judicial branch to a single executive.