How big is ATI compared to Nvidia? and vice versa?

[Maximilian]

Just reading the "Why did matrox lose the battle thread" and it seems apparent that nvidia had part to play in that, stealing engineers etc. Nvidia trashed 3DFX to some extent. Also Nvidia bought ULI?. It just seems as if ATI is exceedingly passive when compared to Nvidia, but can somehow still compete. So just whos the largest company? Also how were ATI able to survive back in the day when Nvidia was king of the hill and they took down the leading company?

Also on a side note, do they each have their own fabs? I heard somwhere ATI did and nvidia didnt.

 

[LW07]

ATI took down Nvidia with their 9xxx series of cards back in August 2002-April 2004.

 

[BlacKJesuS]

Originally posted by: LW07
ATI took down Nvidia with their 9xxx series of cards back in 2002-2003.

so wut about the 6 series to x8xx

 

[LW07]

I meant that ATI beat Nvidia in the 9xxx era. I didn't say that they killed nvidia.

 

[Cookie Monster]

As of now, ATi shares stand at 240m~, while NV is at 180m~.
However, in market capitalisation, nvidia is 7~8billiom while ATi 3~4 billion.

The share prices are 54(NV) vs 17(ATi).

Aka ATi is half the worth of NV right now.

 

[mwmorph]

neither company is going anywhere anywhere fast.

 

[Steelski]

I highly dout the original poster is referring to back in the 9xxx and 5xxx days. there are many days before that!
I would really like the oppinion of some of the more senior posters (yeah i mean you olde farts...come and post something about "back in the day")

 

[LW07]

Nvidia almost went out of business before the Riva 128 card back in 1997. Their cards before that were utter crap and the 3dfx Voodoo outperformed them before the Riva 128. Of course, I think all 1990s video cards were crap.

 

[kmmatney]

ATI sells a lot of chips used in HiDef televisions and digital cable boxes - they have more than just video cards going for them.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
ATI sells a lot of chips used in HiDef televisions and digital cable boxes - they have more than just video cards going for them.

They also have their cell phone IMAGEON line that powers the Motorola RAZR, among many others.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
As of now, ATi shares stand at 240m~, while NV is at 180m~.
However, in market capitalisation, nvidia is 7~8billiom while ATi 3~4 billion.

The share prices are 54(NV) vs 17(ATi).

Aka ATi is half the worth of NV right now.

Hmm interesting. But does anyone know if they both have fabs?

Originally posted by: Steelski
I highly dout the original poster is referring to back in the 9xxx and 5xxx days. there are many days before that!
I would really like the oppinion of some of the more senior posters (yeah i mean you olde farts...come and post something about "back in the day")

Heh, yea, tell us what happened back before the geforce 5xxx back in the day of the geforce 2. I was using an S3 salvage or somthing, and didnt know squat about comps/different companys back then.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
As of now, ATi shares stand at 240m~, while NV is at 180m~.
However, in market capitalisation, nvidia is 7~8billiom while ATi 3~4 billion.

The share prices are 54(NV) vs 17(ATi).

Aka ATi is half the worth of NV right now.

Hmm interesting. But does anyone know if they both have fabs?

Originally posted by: Steelski
I highly dout the original poster is referring to back in the 9xxx and 5xxx days. there are many days before that!
I would really like the oppinion of some of the more senior posters (yeah i mean you olde farts...come and post something about "back in the day")

Heh, yea, tell us what happened back before the geforce 5xxx back in the day of the geforce 2. I was using an S3 salvage or somthing, and didnt know squat about comps/different companys back then.

I don't think either of them have their own fabs.

 

[Vinnybcfc]

For fabs I think Nvidia use TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) and IBM, ATI use TSMC

The last time I had checked ATI has a larger market share then Nvidia but this included intergrated graphics as well (Intel was top) I have seen more of ATIs intergrated graphics around (in servers and laptops) which might explain the difference. For desktop cards it is likely to be about even unless something ****** happened that generation.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
As of now, ATi shares stand at 240m~, while NV is at 180m~.
However, in market capitalisation, nvidia is 7~8billiom while ATi 3~4 billion.

The share prices are 54(NV) vs 17(ATi).

Aka ATi is half the worth of NV right now.

Hmm interesting. But does anyone know if they both have fabs?

Originally posted by: Steelski
I highly dout the original poster is referring to back in the 9xxx and 5xxx days. there are many days before that!
I would really like the oppinion of some of the more senior posters (yeah i mean you olde farts...come and post something about "back in the day")

Heh, yea, tell us what happened back before the geforce 5xxx back in the day of the geforce 2. I was using an S3 salvage or somthing, and didnt know squat about comps/different companys back then.

It was a S3 savage 4...... i still have mine for backups.....and it can still run many games..kinda!?!?!?!

I remember ATI being rather low tech compared to almost all back then. they really only got serious with the rage line of cards. Nvidia had the TNT line of cards which were nice. and i had my savage beasty. then the Geforce cards came out. My friend was talking about the power of the card, but in all feirness i still think that i made a great desision back then when i bought my first radeon 64ddr VIVO. that card was soooooooo good to me. image quality was second to none.... (drivers were crap) and it was very competative with Nvidia. I remember only recently my friend had unreal 2003 and could only manage medium settings geforce 2 GTX (i think he dident care and could not be bothered to turn up the settings)
Then i tried my card. managed almost all to high and later with drivers managed holy SH1T settings.
then the geforce 3 came out... I really really liked that card. (although i also liked the 8500 series). I had one for a brief moment, untill i got the opportunity to sell a computer to a friend and buy myself probably the best card i have owned and broke, the 9500np 128 unlocked to 8 pipe and 256bit mem...

I am interested in what was going on before the rage fury days. before the tnt days. before even voodoo (nice cards)

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: BlacKJesuS

Originally posted by: LW07
ATI took down Nvidia with their 9xxx series of cards back in 2002-2003.

so wut about the 6 series to x8xx

so so, even at best.

 

[440sixpack]

Originally posted by: Steelski

I am interested in what was going on before the rage fury days. before the tnt days. before even voodoo (nice cards)

Oh, those dim, dark days...

I used to have a bunch of links from back in the day of the history of 3D cards, but lord knows where they've gone to. The first Nvidia card I actually owned was a TNT, but a work PC I had back in 99 or so had a Riva 128ZX, not a very impressive card although I do remember playing Quake on it.

Going way back to around '93 another work machine had some ATI chip that was pretty bad - Mach 32 I think? Anyway, all that really sticks out about that was I remember downloading new drivers for it through my Compuserve account over a 2400 bps modem, and after installing them they hosed ol' Win3.1 pretty good and I spend a pretty nervous afternoon fixing the machine (downloading unauthorized drivers on a DOD computer would have been frowned on ).

I used to follow the 3D card wars quite a bit back in the day, as I have been an NVDA shareholder since June of '99, and spent a lot of time back then on the Yahoo Finance NVDA message board arguing video card in a performance and business sense. I was looking to invest in the 3D chip market as I sensed they were going to be big. I was deciding among NVDA, ATYT, TDFX and SIII. I believe I made the right choice. Now, I think I have more sense and I sit back and read others arguing over all this stuff.

 

[TheInternet1980]

440sixpack...hrm...off topic...but you're from the Cleveland area? Hence the 440?

 

[beggerking]

back in the days before 3dfx, I was mostly concerned about text performance..(dos)
Trident was the slowest amounst them, Cirrus Logic was a little better, Diamond/S3 was the king.
Also CPU was a key in graphic performance since CPU was doing all the rendering. So we were all concerned about CPU performance.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there weren't any 3d gaming APIs at the time until voodoo 1 which introduces glide api and was widely adapted.

Nvidia didn't exist, ATI was making TV tuners only..

 

[Maximilian]

Didnt know the CPU did all the rendering in the old days, supposed it would have had to though just thinking about it.

 

[argoldst]

The share prices are 54(NV) vs 17(ATi).

Aka ATi is half the worth of NV right now.

WOW, I can't believe someone would actually write that. I don't mean to flame you too bad but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen anyone write. Just because the moon looks bigger in the sky than the sun do you believe that?

You MUST make a killing trading stocks!

The value of a company is NOT determined just by the stock of the price. There is something called the float (or total number of shares that are available to trade).

If you want to compare value of a stock you might want to look at EPS (earnings per share). Or, if you want to compare who is a larger company, you can look at the financials and see their revenues.

I guess by your logic, Nvidia is twice as big as Microsoft because Nvidia is priced around 50 and Microsoft is around 27.

Sorry to be a bit off topic here but I hate when an idiot posts something that is just 100% inaccurate.

 

[440sixpack]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
440sixpack...hrm...off topic...but you're from the Cleveland area? Hence the 440?

Nope, it's for the engine of the car in my sig. Never been to Cleveland.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: argoldst

The share prices are 54(NV) vs 17(ATi).

Aka ATi is half the worth of NV right now.

WOW, I can't believe someone would actually write that. I don't mean to flame you too bad but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen anyone write. Just because the moon looks bigger in the sky than the sun do you believe that?

You MUST make a killing trading stocks!

The value of a company is NOT determined just by the stock of the price. There is something called the float (or total number of shares that are available to trade).

If you want to compare value of a stock you might want to look at EPS (earnings per share). Or, if you want to compare who is a larger company, you can look at the financials and see their revenues.

I guess by your logic, Nvidia is twice as big as Microsoft because Nvidia is priced around 50 and Microsoft is around 27.

Sorry to be a bit off topic here but I hate when an idiot posts something that is just 100% inaccurate.

Please read before you make dumb mistakes.

s of now, ATi shares stand at 240m~, while NV is at 180m~.
However, in market capitalisation, nvidia is 7~8billiom while ATi 3~4 billion.

The share prices are 54(NV) vs 17(ATi).

Aka ATi is half the worth of NV right now.

I summed up that NV is twice of ATi, because of the big difference in market capitalisation. NOT shares.. gees, i was only pointing it out. Food for thought.