Hayabusa Rider
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Right, it can easily accommodate it. The vaccine was pulled because... capitalism.
What the government should have done was to prevent nutter lawsuits.
Right, it can easily accommodate it. The vaccine was pulled because... capitalism.
I posed the question. Do you think healthcare as an industry system will work well in a pandemic?
What happens will depend on particulars of any infection. All systems have finite resources and if an outbreak is severe and extensive it can break every single one. My concern is government at this time as Mike Pence will be leading the charge against this. These people can screw up dirt.
Pick a nation, any you like, and start throwing bodies at it like they were bullets from a machine gun and things will turn to shit.
Only 3 states (perhaps 4 now?) have the resources to even administer a Coronavirus test. Nebraska is one of them for some reason.
Oh, and as demonstrated in that other thread, be prepared to shell out $1500 for the test if you have shitty insurance.
Sure. But would a for profit system fail before a care for all system in this situation.
The system is irrelevant. It comes down to the number infected vs resources available. If a private system has greater resources it will do better. If not it won't. There isn't a "gotcha" answer to be here because there are too many variables.
What we should have are adequate provisions given and yes that means government planning and execution. In this country that will be provided for by Mike Pence.
That should really help things /s
it seems china had incredible health care resources available. Do you think our private health care could match that?
Puh-leeze! There is no plan for pandemics in small gubmint Trumplandia. And if there was a plan, they threw it away.
I don't understand why it's a $1500 test ...OK, actually I do. insurance goblins. From what I understand, they just do a simple blood screen with PCR. ....this is what it costs me to run a single PCR reaction:
DNA extraction kit (blood)--column kit or homebrew/generic reagent kit: ~$5-50 per sample,
depending on bulk (one would presume you are making shitloads of reactions, so you'd have larger sample kits, thus very cheap individually
PCR primers: roughly $6-8 each (so up to $16/pair) ordered from IDT or Genewiz or Eurofins.
....you don't order their primers. You copy past the oligo sequences from published data and custom order them yourselves. super effective. This cost would probably cover ~thousand samples. ...so pennies per individual.
PCR reactions: kits reagents will cost ~$10 per sample, probably cheaper.
Then it's just time on your thermocycler. baked-in facility cost for these people, so none of these machines have any kind of running cost to them. They are simple, relatively cheap, and don't require regular, expensive maintenance.
(I wouldn't be surprised if they are running qPCR with labeled tags, though, so these costs can be a bit more expensive, but maybe by a factor of 1.5--though you don't need to run gels or anything, so you'd save lots of time and money doing it that way...so maybe break even?)
All in all, from blood collection to extraction to PCR and results, it takes about 4 hours total time to process everything. probably no more than $15/sample, if being very generous with cost. Facilities that are processing bulk samples, which they probably are, it probably costs close to a dollar per sample for these, all-in.
You seem like the guy to ask. PCR is cheap and no doubt $1500 a test is way more than cost, but what about determining this specific virus? Figure two tests per patient.I don't understand why it's a $1500 test ...OK, actually I do. insurance goblins. From what I understand, they just do a simple blood screen with PCR. ....this is what it costs me to run a single PCR reaction:
DNA extraction kit (blood)--column kit or homebrew/generic reagent kit: ~$5-50 per sample,
depending on bulk (one would presume you are making shitloads of reactions, so you'd have larger sample kits, thus very cheap individually
PCR primers: roughly $6-8 each (so up to $16/pair) ordered from IDT or Genewiz or Eurofins.
....you don't order their primers. You copy past the oligo sequences from published data and custom order them yourselves. super effective. This cost would probably cover ~thousand samples. ...so pennies per individual.
PCR reactions: kits reagents will cost ~$10 per sample, probably cheaper.
Then it's just time on your thermocycler. baked-in facility cost for these people, so none of these machines have any kind of running cost to them. They are simple, relatively cheap, and don't require regular, expensive maintenance.
(I wouldn't be surprised if they are running qPCR with labeled tags, though, so these costs can be a bit more expensive, but maybe by a factor of 1.5--though you don't need to run gels or anything, so you'd save lots of time and money doing it that way...so maybe break even?)
All in all, from blood collection to extraction to PCR and results, it takes about 4 hours total time to process everything. probably no more than $15/sample, if being very generous with cost. Facilities that are processing bulk samples, which they probably are, it probably costs close to a dollar per sample for these, all-in.
You people act like you don't even want to die in agony from total pulmonary failure. Is that too high of a price for freedom (of big pharma to reach their quarterly earnings forecast)?
You seem like the guy to ask. PCR is cheap and no doubt $1500 a test is way more than cost, but what about determining this specific virus? Figure two tests per patient.
This is the sort of thing which should be government funded as it would be cheaper to hire qualified individuals and purchase equipment for the CDC, NIH or whomever.
Not to worry, Saks says the virus could cost the President the election. I predict the President responding to this prediction.
Coronavirus could cost Trump the election, Goldman Sachs warns
A market meltdown. Surging recession fears. And a sudden spotlight on America's health care system. Goldman Sachs is warning Wall Street that the coronavirus could cost President Donald Trump the election.www.cnn.com
The natural steady-state is that of political domination and capitalism as the funding machine. The pseudo-intellectuals in political discourse and their retarded false dichotomy can have their books burned as reality is showing that political totalitarianism is perfectly compatible with a "capitalism with conditions".Suddenly everyone wants to be in an authoritarian system. Just wait, you will be. Either several authoritarian measures will be implemented or you can kiss the whole system goodbye. Someone is going to have to care for the severely ill, someone is going to have to keep the utilities running when quarantines kick in, someone is going to have to deliver and distribute food. I believe the odds of all the right people volunteering to do this being at about zero. Oh and all this will have to be free since most people cannot save money. Here soon I think many people are going to be looking longingly at China's methods for the last month.
Hopefully I am wrong and everyone can laugh at me, I'll happily take it.
As far as the health care industry fucking up? They already have to an extent by not being prepared. Just like Canada and everyone else that have not used the last month to get ready. I understand that is because preparing costs money and no one is paying but I put that part on the governments, all of them.