how are you preparing for the national emergency?

[rvborgh]

no other huh?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/03/24/obamas-unconstitutional-war/

to quote:

"In cutting out Congress, Obama has overstepped even the dubious precedent set when President Bill Clinton bombed Kosovo in 1999. Then, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel asserted that Congress had given its consent by appropriating funds for the Kosovo campaign. It was a big stretch, given the actual facts — but Obama can’t even take advantage of this same desperate expedient, since Congress has appropriated no funds for the Libyan war. The president is simply using money appropriated to the Pentagon for general purposes to conduct the current air campaign. "

No other president has taken money for a purpose that was explicitly rejected by Congress. This has never happened before. Comparing Trump's little vanity project to any other emergency declarations act is pure folly, and boldly ignorant.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I thought people voted for Trump because he didn't do things like Obama. Oh well, master deal maker strikes again.

It's odd that republicans didn't procure funds while they controlled the house and senate. Oh well, the wealthy got their tax cut

He writes more EO's, golfs more, lies repeatedly, but hey...at least he's not a black guy who terrorist fist jabs after eating Dijon in a tan suit.

Lol...republicans.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I figured that Trump would declare an emergency when the WH kitchen ran out of cheeseburders for him.

 

[PJFrylar]

I really can't comprehend this one. GOP had complete control for 2 years, and they didn't build THE WALL. They easily could have, nothing could have stopped them. Dems get the house? OMFG NATIONAL EMERGENCY BUILD THE WALL. If you can't see that for what it is, I don't know how you can be helped. It was never about the benefits of THE WALL; it was about political maneuvering. Argue away about why we should have THE WALL, but maybe you should realize that the brochacos, GOP being almost exclusively white males, didn't care that much until now. It's just a political rallying cry. Stop falling for it... but you won't. Then consider what Tucker Carlson meant by immigrants making the country poorer and dirtier. Yeah, that was racist. Just because someone was born with the "wrong" skin tone on the other side of an imaginary line doesn't mean that they are unworthy of being on the other side of an imaginary line. Carlson would want you to believe otherwise. Economically, we even need immigration .. lol.

 

[sdifox]

I figured that Trump would declare an emergency when the WH kitchen ran out of cheeseburders for him.

Why? He would just order McD. He has done this before.

 

[blackangst1]

I'll see your sheriff and raise you two:




https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-border-sheriffs-there-is-no-crisis-and-we-dont-want-trumps-wall/

But I guess a pair of sheriffs that don't hold your view are to be ignored, esp. a sheriff of the most populous county in the Rio Grande Valley.

Why would I ignore it? Are you intelligent enough to understand illegal crossings are different for every bordering county?

 

[SMOGZINN]

The president is simply using money appropriated to the Pentagon for general purposes to conduct the current air campaign. "

There is a big difference between 'Congress said nothing' and 'Congress said no'.
In Obama's case Congress said nothing. In this case Congress specifically said they would not fund a wall. They even put it in the appropriations bill that the money specifically could not be used for a wall. Trump is literally defying the explicitly stated will of Congress.

Even if you believe that Obama did something similar, this is most definitely an escalation. If you don't like what Obama did then you need to demand that your politicians do better, not worse, or we will just continue down this path.

Personally if this stands the test of the courts I am going to loudly demand that the next Democratic President use national emergency powers to do everything. Congress be damned, we don't need them anymore. Declare a national emergency and outlaw guns. Declare a national emergency and outlaw coal. Declare a national emergency and appoint judges.

 

[fskimospy]

Obama took money that had never been allocated by Congress and used it to fund his little dirty war in Libya. Where were you then?

Trump is taking monies that Congress has already allocated. AFAIK, Congress never placed a limitation on his doing that. Therefore its not illegal.

Some folks disagree and have filed suit, so SCOTUS is going to have to decide. My best guess is that POTUS wins... since there isn't anything preventing him from doing that in the law.

Folks like you don't like that... which is okay... but that has nothing to do with whether its legal or not.

He is using money that was allocated for other purposes, in express defiance of the wishes of Congress.

As for the law no, what Trump is doing is pretty clearly illegal. In order for Trump to move these funds he must be in compliance with US code 10.2808.a, which states that they must be used for a military construction project that is required to support the military’s role in addressing the national emergency.

It is obvious to anyone with even a hint of common sense that there is no national emergency requiring the use of the military here and in fact the military is expressly barred from enforcing domestic law.

So no, it’s not legal and he will soon learn that in the courts.

 

[zinfamous]

no other huh?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/03/24/obamas-unconstitutional-war/

to quote:

"In cutting out Congress, Obama has overstepped even the dubious precedent set when President Bill Clinton bombed Kosovo in 1999. Then, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel asserted that Congress had given its consent by appropriating funds for the Kosovo campaign. It was a big stretch, given the actual facts — but Obama can’t even take advantage of this same desperate expedient, since Congress has appropriated no funds for the Libyan war. The president is simply using money appropriated to the Pentagon for general purposes to conduct the current air campaign. "

You didn't read, dipshit: Congress never explicitly rejected, in a vote, appropriating funds for Libya. It is the complete opposite of what happened here: Congress explicitly voted against Trump grabbing money to build his wall. It's on record. Trump said: fuck it: "I'm going to reject your vote on this thing and do it anyway."

The two situations are 100% incomparable. What Trump did here has never happened before.

 

[sportage]

The media is reporting many republicans in the house and senate are in disagreement with Donald Trump. And speaking out against what Trump is doing.
Well, all I can say is DON'T BELIEVE IT.
The same old republicans that are crying about Trump and his national emergency also cried against brett kavanaugh. And despite their vocal disapproval of brett kavanaugh, in the end they stuck together with Mitch McConnell and their fellow republicans and voted brett kavanaugh on.
So when the Susan Collins republicans try to give the impression they oppose the will of Donald Trump DON'T BELIEVE ONE WORD OF IT.
We all know that in the and, even the Susan Collins will do whatever Donald Trump wants them to do, and damn the US constitution.

 

[Jhhnn]

You didn't read, dipshit: Congress never explicitly rejected, in a vote, appropriating funds for Libya. It is the complete opposite of what happened here: Congress explicitly voted against Trump grabbing money to build his wall. It's on record. Trump said: fuck it: "I'm going to reject your vote on this thing and do it anyway."

The two situations are 100% incomparable. What Trump did here has never happened before.

He's just doing the Bothsides! dance. The Libyan intervention is immaterial to the discussion at hand.

The whole Wall! exercise has nothing to do with actual national security & everything to do with pandering to Trump's nicely mind fucked base. It's also an attack on the separation of powers set out in the Constitution.

 

[DarthKyrie]

He's just doing the Bothsides! dance. The Libyan intervention is immaterial to the discussion at hand.

The whole Wall! exercise has nothing to do with actual national security & everything to do with pandering to Trump's nicely mind fucked base. It's also an attack on the separation of powers set out in the Constitution.

Wasn't Lybia a NATO action?

 

[Jhhnn]

Wasn't Lybia a NATO action?

It was & it's still immaterial.

 

[DarthKyrie]

It was & it's still immaterial.

That was kind of my point with pointing out it was NATO and not just the USA. NATO actions don't require US Congressional approval.