How are the c6 grand sports? *edit* got one

[brainhulk]

Are they more reliable than the c7's?

http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-manual-long-term-test-wrap-up

 

[Topweasel]

Nothing about that article is really that crazy outside the engine exploding. I don't know if that has been an issue with the LT1. But the only other issue they had was a fitment issue that could or would be even more likely to happen on a C6 (though as all are used I would guess people would have already gotten it resolved). Tires popping, glass repair/replacement, tire wear on super sport vehicles, that's the cost of owning and driving a car, specially like this.

Assuming the LT1 isn't exploding all over the place. No I doubt a C6 is going to be much better in reliability then the C7.

 

[MegaFlop]

I have 10K miles on a 2015 C7 with no issues yet.

My understanding is that there were a few early issues fixed in production and C&D's C7 would have had all the problems since it was basically a pre-production car.

GM is building 30K C7s a year and I think the reports of issues tend to get exaggerated online.

That being said a late model C6 should be very sold mechanically. The LS3 is a great engine.

 

[brainhulk]

the car is a blast to drive. lots of power, handles well, and looks awesome

 

[Evilviking]

Congrats.

 

[slag]

Nothing about that article is really that crazy outside the engine exploding. I don't know if that has been an issue with the LT1. But the only other issue they had was a fitment issue that could or would be even more likely to happen on a C6 (though as all are used I would guess people would have already gotten it resolved). Tires popping, glass repair/replacement, tire wear on super sport vehicles, that's the cost of owning and driving a car, specially like this.

Assuming the LT1 isn't exploding all over the place. No I doubt a C6 is going to be much better in reliability then the C7.

Did we read the same story?

"...starter motor dying at 21,000 miles. Shortly thereafter, the brain of the Stingray’s heating-and-air-conditioning system began shutting down intermittently—in mid-January—and needed to be swapped."

Both things that should not happen, especially on a car with under 100k miles. Starters are wear items, but not at 21k miles.

"The C7’s axle seals began leaking lubricant at 25,000 miles" Again, WTF?

"The heated seats only got lukewarm, and the already-finicky shifter felt like it was stirring a bag of cement until the drivetrain warmed up"

yeah... um, no.. Not on a car costing this much. The heated seats in all my vehicles have multiple settings and you better be sure the highest setting will turn my ass red from the heat.

I really think this isn't a cold weather car and most people won't drive theirs in rain or snow, but still, if its equipped to do so, it should perform flawlessly, especially at this price point. The competition didn't have the issues that this C7 did.

 

[jaha2000]

Did we read the same story?

"...starter motor dying at 21,000 miles. Shortly thereafter, the brain of the Stingray’s heating-and-air-conditioning system began shutting down intermittently—in mid-January—and needed to be swapped."

Both things that should not happen, especially on a car with under 100k miles. Starters are wear items, but not at 21k miles.

"The C7’s axle seals began leaking lubricant at 25,000 miles" Again, WTF?

"The heated seats only got lukewarm, and the already-finicky shifter felt like it was stirring a bag of cement until the drivetrain warmed up"

yeah... um, no.. Not on a car costing this much. The heated seats in all my vehicles have multiple settings and you better be sure the highest setting will turn my ass red from the heat.

I really think this isn't a cold weather car and most people won't drive theirs in rain or snow, but still, if its equipped to do so, it should perform flawlessly, especially at this price point. The competition didn't have the issues that this C7 did.

Tha car was a preproduction model if memory serves correctly.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Tha car was a preproduction model if memory serves correctly.

D: If so, good job GM for giving a preproduction model to a car magazine for their long term test fleet. What could go wrong?

Idiots.

 

[Kelvrick]

Love them in white. Congrats.

 

[Ferzerp]

D: If so, good job GM for giving a preproduction model to a car magazine for their long term test fleet. What could go wrong?

Idiots.

I'm pretty sure car and driver goes out and buys the car from a dealer on these tests. In this case, they got a lemon. In general, the C7s seem no more or less reliable than most cars, but one bad example given to the right (or wrong?) people and the publicity becomes horrible.

Now if you want to complain about the current generation vette, the Z06 in automatic form is totally unsuited for track duty and the M7 is marginal (depends on the track and driver) due to poor heat dissipation. At least the M7 people have a GM created potential solution with the extra radiator available, but the A8 people can't go that route due to that location being taken up by the second A8 cooler that is required because on the base car with the single cooler the A8 would overheat on track.

That said, I had 1 problem with my base c7, and one problem with my z06. On the base car, I had a rear diff replacement. On the Z06 I had an electronic module replaced when GPS failed.

 

[KentState]

My C7 is just as reliable as my C6. The PDR wiring was interfering with the GPS antenna which was a quick fix. The only GM vehicle that I had problems with since 2008 was my Sonoma which had the rear end go out and that was probably from hauling too much.

I missed my Grand Sport bad which is what motivated me to get a C7.

 

[Topweasel]

Did we read the same story?

"...starter motor dying at 21,000 miles. Shortly thereafter, the brain of the Stingray’s heating-and-air-conditioning system began shutting down intermittently—in mid-January—and needed to be swapped."

Both things that should not happen, especially on a car with under 100k miles. Starters are wear items, but not at 21k miles.

"The C7’s axle seals began leaking lubricant at 25,000 miles" Again, WTF?

"The heated seats only got lukewarm, and the already-finicky shifter felt like it was stirring a bag of cement until the drivetrain warmed up"

yeah... um, no.. Not on a car costing this much. The heated seats in all my vehicles have multiple settings and you better be sure the highest setting will turn my ass red from the heat.

I really think this isn't a cold weather car and most people won't drive theirs in rain or snow, but still, if its equipped to do so, it should perform flawlessly, especially at this price point. The competition didn't have the issues that this C7 did.

I missed the Axle lubing, but I think you would be surprised. GM is getting better about their fit and finish (they all are). Reliability is getting higher. Also any line made car is going to have more issues in the first year than people want to see. Getting a C6 now is going to be better because A.) there are lots of Corvette owners that baby and barely drive their cars. B.) You can get a late model that allows for time to work out bad hardware choices or production issues. C.) Major defects should have been already taken care of under warranty.

But if you think that the C6 designed and sold during the middle of the 2000's is going to be more error free out of the factory than a C7, it's just not going to be the case. On top of all that, this wasn't a showroom car. It was preproduction. So basically a test car for the production line that's going to demonstrate the most amount of factory line bugs of any car.

 

[Topweasel]

I'm pretty sure car and driver goes out and buys the car from a dealer on these tests. In this case, they got a lemon. In general, the C7s seem no more or less reliable than most cars, but one bad example given to the right (or wrong?) people and the publicity becomes horrible.

No they specifically state in the article that they couldn't get a dealer car and tried to establish that they weren't trying to judge it too harshly as a prepro car. But anecdotal evidence is almost as good as hard set facts nowadays.

In reality its important when making a purchase like this to read for several weeks posts in multiple model specific forums. Read the issues. No the temperament of the particular posters and check to see if they have any problem trends.

 

[Ferzerp]

No they specifically state in the article that they couldn't get a dealer car and tried to establish that they weren't trying to judge it too harshly as a prepro car. But anecdotal evidence is almost as good as hard set facts nowadays.

In reality its important when making a purchase like this to read for several weeks posts in multiple model specific forums. Read the issues. No the temperament of the particular posters and check to see if they have any problem trends.

That's pretty silly. They should have waited until they could purchase one. With their resources, they could have either purchased an allocation from someone else who had a reserved allocation at a dealer, or something similar.