How American Health Care Killed My Father

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: little elvis

Originally posted by: OCguy

UK:

"Up to one in 10 patients catches an infection in hospital, alarming figures have revealed.
The chances of developing a potentially fatal illness simply by checking into a British ward are among the highest in the world, says a report from the British Medical Association."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...catches-infection.html





Canada:


"Still, thousands of cases are reported annually, and it can be one of the leading causes of hospital deaths as staph infections take advantage of those with serious illnesses or compromised immune systems.:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/backgro...-infections/staph.html

And how is this any different than US Hospitals??

Link

Wow. My point is to ask how is this different than hospitals in countrys with UHC, and you ask how it is different from the US. You get a gold star.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's an interesting Article, but the System suggested would be quite difficult to implement. Probably as difficult as a Single Payer system. Mainly because it eliminates Private Insurance. Now whether Competition will result in the savings suggested is another issue entirely. I don't think it would lower prices nearly as well as the Author thinks it would. Mainly because HealthCare is not something a Patient always has time to Shop around for. When a Health issue arises it often needs dealt with quickly and because of that Hospitals won't really feel compelled to compete on Price due to limited Resources. For some things it could work, such as the Hip Replacement Surgery mentioned in the article, but that's due to the nature of those kinds of Medical problems.

Another problem I could see is that the Health Savings Accounts would be taking $billions out of the Economy every year. Some of that certainly would cycle back through, but it still is removing significant amounts that could have unintended consequences. At least with Insurance or Government run systems that money remains in circulation. I might be overlooking a detail about the suggestion though.

So a better solution is for government to take billions out of the economy every year via taxes?? I think I can make much better decisions than any government official thank you very much.

 

[dmcowen674]

I say remove all medical in America, all of it.

Get sick, have to be flown to India where all our jobs went.

 

[imported_inspire]

Honestly, I think there's nearly two-minutes left in the game here and everyone's trying to throw hail marys to win. How about putting together a drive, eh?

Goddammit, start somewhere. Start with Tort Reform. Start with federal regulation of exclusionary conditions. Start with a national charity hospital system.

Grow up, stop pointing fingers and posturing, and start somewhere.

FFS, people we put a f'ing man on the f'ing moon....

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's an interesting Article, but the System suggested would be quite difficult to implement. Probably as difficult as a Single Payer system. Mainly because it eliminates Private Insurance. Now whether Competition will result in the savings suggested is another issue entirely. I don't think it would lower prices nearly as well as the Author thinks it would. Mainly because HealthCare is not something a Patient always has time to Shop around for. When a Health issue arises it often needs dealt with quickly and because of that Hospitals won't really feel compelled to compete on Price due to limited Resources. For some things it could work, such as the Hip Replacement Surgery mentioned in the article, but that's due to the nature of those kinds of Medical problems.

Another problem I could see is that the Health Savings Accounts would be taking $billions out of the Economy every year. Some of that certainly would cycle back through, but it still is removing significant amounts that could have unintended consequences. At least with Insurance or Government run systems that money remains in circulation. I might be overlooking a detail about the suggestion though.

So a better solution is for government to take billions out of the economy every year via taxes?? I think I can make much better decisions than any government official thank you very much.

They don't just "take", they just become part of the Flow.

 

[Blackjack200]

Excellent Excellent article.

Not a perfect system he proposes, but he does a good job pulling together the real reasons our system is so fucked.

I have a feeling I'll find myself oddly on the same side as the boards' resident conservatives, but I honestly think something like this could be brilliant. I've always thought it was incredibly stupid that we use insurance to pay for a common expense. That's just incredibly inefficient and distorting.

Count me impressed. Thanks OP.

 

[alchemize]

This guy was on NPR today. Fantastic, too bad the healthcare neocons are well past any sort of reasoning.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

You have to wonder how many Americans die every year from lack of health insurance, being under-insured, and having their health insurance revoked or rescinded by a private health insurance company's "death panel" once they become ill. How many Americans die from stress-related ailments as a result of concern over health insurance? How many Americans end up suffering medical bankruptcies and committing suicide? As a result of the economic destruction that our current system inflicts on the American economy, how many Americans have ended up unemployed and committed suicide as a result? I don't know, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the death toll is shockingly high.

So go do some research and report back... otherwise you post is baseless and, thus, pointless.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

You have to wonder how many Americans die every year from lack of health insurance, being under-insured, and having their health insurance revoked or rescinded by a private health insurance company's "death panel" once they become ill. How many Americans die from stress-related ailments as a result of concern over health insurance? How many Americans end up suffering medical bankruptcies and committing suicide? As a result of the economic destruction that our current system inflicts on the American economy, how many Americans have ended up unemployed and committed suicide as a result? I don't know, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the death toll is shockingly high.

Dying in the streets! Jumping off bridges! Anything else is un-american!