How about GIGABYTE GTX470 SO?

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Shinjo

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Hello, few days ago I've read an article about competition between GIGABYTE GTX470 SO and MSI HD5870 Lightning, they competed with PhysX ON and OFF.

When PhysX ON, 470SO(no overclock) won by 1000 points in 3DMark Vantage, when closed, 470SO lost by almost 1500 points. I do know that 470 was expected to beat 5850, but as the result GIGABYTE GTX470 SO with no overclock can beat MSI 5870 Lightning by PhysX opened, maybe it can also beat 5870 with PhysX OFF when overclocked (I haven't read about related test).

Should I buy this 470SO? Another reason I wanna buy this 470SO is that its price is about $30 less than 5850 Lightning, can someone have a 470SO give me some advice or used experience? Thanks a lot :D

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Rifter

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wow really? seriously? another 470 vs 5850/5870 thread? whatever.

Most people will agree the 5850 is priced to high right now for its performance. I would go with either a 1GB 460 and overclock it as they ALL seem to be able to hit 800+, mine does 900 with little effort. Or the a 470 is also a solid option, and better than a 5850 most of the time and cheaper as well.
 
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Shinjo said:
Hello, few days ago I've read an article about competition between GIGABYTE GTX470 SO and MSI HD5870 Lightning, they competed with PhysX ON and OFF.

When PhysX ON, 470SO(no overclock) won by 1000 points in 3DMark Vantage, when closed, 470SO lost by almost 1500 points. I do know that 470 was expected to beat 5850, but as the result GIGABYTE GTX470 SO with no overclock can beat MSI 5870 Lightning by PhysX opened, maybe it can also beat 5870 with PhysX OFF when overclocked (I haven't read about related test).

Should I buy this 470SO? Another reason I wanna buy this 470SO is that its price is about $30 less than 5850 Lightning, can someone have a 470SO give me some advice or used experience? Thanks a lot :D

CPU:i5-750
MB:GA-P55A-UD4P
Memory: PV236G2000LLK(3*2G)
VGA:ASUS 9800GT
Power:ENERMAX 625W 82+
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Your basing a buying decision on a 3dmark vantage score?

Take a look at this.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_Amp_Edition/31.html
 
Cookie Monster

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Are you talking about the Gigabyte GTX470 edition?

If it is, there is a review of the card from the below link.
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The redesigned PCB and even with overclocked clock provides lower power consumption than a reference GTX470. The custom cooler is also alot better than the reference one.
 
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Physyx gives you invalid Vantage scores. Don't go by them. I wouldn't pay more for a 5850 than a 470. That being said, if it's actually a 5870 Lightning (AFAIK they don't make a 5850 Lightning???) for $30.00 more, it's easily worth it.
 
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OP: How much do these cards you're considering, cost? Have links? This would help in making suggestions.
 
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It's an impressive engineering feat for Gigabyte to overclock that card by 15% but have less power consumption (and considerably less heat) than a reference gtx470 board.
 
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tviceman said:
It's an impressive engineering feat for Gigabyte to overclock that card by 15% but have less power consumption (and considerably less heat) than a reference gtx470 board.
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could not agree more, props to gigabyte's electrical engineering dept.
 
RussianSensation

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Why not just get a stock 470 and overclock it. It will do 750mhz without any voltage increase. At 750mhz, it will be almost as fast as the GTX480, and faster than the 5870. If the price difference between a stock 470 and the Gigabyte version is more than $60, I'd go for the stock one and save that $ towards another upgrade.

I just have a big problem spending $370+ on a videocard at the moment:

a) Crysis 2 being delayed until March 22, 2010

b) A stock GTX470 plows through every game other than Metro 2033 at 1920x1200 4AA. No other games other than Medal of Honor or HAWX2 are going to challenge a stock 470 anytime soon (an overclocked 5870 still won't match a 470 in STALKER with God Rays or Metro 2033). So it makes little sense to consider a 5870 of any kind, unless its price is $100 less. If you want to go ATI, just get a 5850 and overclock it.

c) HD6000 series will come out around October-November, which means 5870 is 11 months old by now. If you want a stop-gap card, just sell the 9800GT for $50 and get a 4870 1GB used. That should easily hold you over until HD6000 if you really do want to spend $400+.
 
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RussianSensation said:
Why not just get a stock 470 and overclock it. It will do 750mhz without any voltage increase. At 750mhz, it will be almost as fast as the GTX480, and faster than the 5870. If the price difference between a stock 470 and the Gigabyte version is more than $60, I'd go for the stock one and save that $ towards another upgrade.

I just have a big problem spending $370+ on a videocard at the moment:

a) Crysis 2 being delayed until March 22, 2010

b) A stock GTX470 plows through every game other than Metro 2033 at 1920x1200 4AA. No other games other than Medal of Honor or HAWX2 are going to challenge a stock 470 anytime soon (an overclocked 5870 still won't match a 470 in STALKER with God Rays or Metro 2033). So it makes little sense to consider a 5870 of any kind, unless its price is $100 less. If you want to go ATI, just get a 5850 and overclock it.

c) HD6000 series will come out around October-November, which means 5870 is 11 months old by now. If you want a stop-gap card, just sell the 9800GT for $50 and get a 4870 1GB used. That should easily hold you over until HD6000 if you really do want to spend $400+.
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Excellent suggestions ^. Seconded.
 
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tviceman said:
It's an impressive engineering feat for Gigabyte to overclock that card by 15% but have less power consumption (and considerably less heat) than a reference gtx470 board.
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How did they pull that off? Does the GPU run at considerably lowered Vcc or is this just highlighting the possibility that the off-die components (vrms, ram, etc) on the reference pcb are simply really inefficient at power-consumption?

(which if the latter is true, would this just be reflective of efforts to save cost by using looser tolerances for the off-die components?)
 
Cookie Monster

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Idontcare said:
How did they pull that off? Does the GPU run at considerably lowered Vcc or is this just highlighting the possibility that the off-die components (vrms, ram, etc) on the reference pcb are simply really inefficient at power-consumption?

(which if the latter is true, would this just be reflective of efforts to save cost by using looser tolerances for the off-die components?)
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There could be several explanations. The main ones I can think of are either more efficent VRM design (so less power loss here) OR because the card is cooler at load, it is able shave some of the power consumed. Its quite interesting since for instance, the Zotac GTX480 AMP! edition is able to shave off almost 48W at load because of using a better cooler. Not only that but its overclocked as well.

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Cookie Monster said:
There could be several explanations. The main ones I can think of are either more efficent VRM design (so less power loss here) OR because the card is cooler at load, it is able shave some of the power consumed. Its quite interesting since for instance, the Zotac GTX480 AMP! edition is able to shave off almost 48W at load because of using a better cooler. Not only that but its overclocked as well.

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Yeah that card is pretty amazing too. I've said several times that if the triple slot cooler isn't an issue to the buyer then that card is the best single gpu card on the entire market.
 
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I would get the stock GTX 470 and Overclock it or you can wait for ATI southern islands for October.
 
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RussianSensation said:
Why not just get a stock 470 and overclock it. It will do 750mhz without any voltage increase.
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This is not a fact. Mine will definitely not do 750MHz with stock voltage. It won't even complete a full cycle of Heaven 2.0 at stock voltages at 675MHz. I can get the card over 700 with increased voltage and an unbearably loud fan profile and over 800 under water, but not 750MHz at stock volts.
 
Markfw

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I have a question...The OP has not replied once to everyones questions. What the heck is this card, and where can you get it, and what are the specs on it ?

First post, but no replies ?
 
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nitromullet said:
This is not a fact. Mine will definitely not do 750MHz with stock voltage. It won't even complete a full cycle of Heaven 2.0 at stock voltages at 675MHz. I can get the card over 700 with increased voltage and an unbearably loud fan profile and over 800 under water, but not 750MHz at stock volts.
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Interesting. The rule of overclocking is YMMV. So I take back my statement. Although tons and tons of people have been able to reach 750mhz on the 470s without problems. I've seen 775 and even 800 on air.
 
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Cookie Monster said:
There could be several explanations. The main ones I can think of are either more efficent VRM design (so less power loss here) OR because the card is cooler at load, it is able shave some of the power consumed. Its quite interesting since for instance, the Zotac GTX480 AMP! edition is able to shave off almost 48W at load because of using a better cooler. Not only that but its overclocked as well.

link
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also probably cherry picked units.
 
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bryanW1995 said:
also probably cherry picked units.
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you mean cherry-picked gpu's? then they'd have to be running at lower Vcc and that would be easily determinable, right?

Cherry-picking is basically binning, bin out the low-voltage chips if you want low-power chips.

Nothing wrong with that but it would definitely go some distance to explain why the product is lower power than the reference design.
 
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I have a question...The OP has not replied once to everyones questions. What the heck is this card, and where can you get it, and what are the specs on it ?

First post, but no replies ?
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uh sorry bros. I went out to play basketball last night, so I haven't reply this thread. The thread I've read is a test by Taiwan's forum. It's all writed in Chinese, so I repost these 3DMV's testing pics elsewhere. I only can buy cards in Taiwan, the price $30 less is conversed from NT to US.

This is GIGABYTE GTX470 SO that original poster used
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gv-n470SO-13I-super-overclock-geforce-gtx-470,2713.html
And this one is MSI HD5870 LIGHTNING
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-r5870-lightning-review/

the pics below are the tests

GIGABYTE GTX470 SO with PhysX



MSI HD5870 LIGHTNING with PhysX



GIGABYTE GTX470 SO with no PhysX



MSI HD5870 LIGHTNING with no PhysX



Sorry I've typed it wrong that with PhysX 470 can win by 2000 points.
I'm not good at the VGA, so thanks a lot that you guys give so much information to me :biggrin:.
 
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