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Here's an excerpt from the Arpaio.com website:

3: Millions of tax dollars have been wasted on lawsuits

Lawsuits brought against Arpaio by employees, former employees, inmates, and the families of dead inmates have cost the county millions and Arpaio has misled the public about the cost to taxpayers of lawsuits.

The case of Scott Norberg, who died in jail, is a good example. Arpaio has frequently said the $8.25 million settlement cost the county nothing and was covered by insurance. What he does not say is that, at the time of the settlement, the county had a $1 million deductible.

Because of these lawsuits, the deductible for the sheriff's office insurance coverage has increase from $1 million to $5 million per incident.

Yup. I knew it. He must be a bonanza for lawyers who specialize in prison management misconduct. It sounds good, but it seems like an inordinate punishment for people who have committed minor crimes and consensual "crimes" (things that should be legal).
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: g8wayrebel


Here's a cure for gun violence in Toronto!


TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO; HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA
COUNTY SHERIFF AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER.


THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the "tent city jail":

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for
them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights
Cut off all but "G" movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city
projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for
discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order
that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked! up the cable TV again only
let in the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot
it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton If
you don't like it, don't come back."

He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the
jails.




More on the Arizona Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just
set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living
in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have
been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer
shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their
bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week
before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their
chests and dripped down to their pink socks.

"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has
lived in the tents for 1 year. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago
started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not
one bit sympathetic He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's
120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have
to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your
damned mouths!"

Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a
lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for
their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to
go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers
money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.


Some of this is slightly inaccurate. The meals cost less then 20 cents for example ... LOL!
This may be a re-post , but it should be posted everyday.
See my previous posts about using Mexico for prisoners!
That might work im a County Jail situationm but if thatNeanderfsck tried to run a prison like that with hard core criminals there'd be a lot opf dead guards and inmates in under a year of instituting that Concentration Camp Scenario.
 

kogase

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I'm not a fan of the cops deciding a criminal's punishment. That's the job of the courts.
 

oldman420

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further losing your freedom is enough punnishment, the absurd veiw that the jail is there to punish is wrong. The purpose of jails is to sequester safely out of the way those that would harm us.


from the link above
In fact, it lays out a damning pattern of abuses in Maricopa County's jails.
Its author, George Sullivan, an Oregon corrections consultant, found that an unwise abundance of stun guns, pepper spray, restraint chairs and the practice of hog-tying, combined with Arpaio's macho rhetoric about getting tough on inmates--70 percent of whom await trial under an assumption of innocence--has led to an environment where Arpaio's employees have made "unprovoked, unnecessary and, consequently, unjustified and excessive" use of force.


and even worse
Richard Post spent only a few hours in Madison Street Jail, but in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's penal colony, no stay is too short to avoid abuse.

Especially for inmates like Post, who make demands on their captors. For those kinds of troublemakers, Arpaio's jailers reserve a special form of treatment.

Call it the Madison Street Special: Jailers stuff unruly inmates into a medieval-looking restraint chair and--federal investigators have found--heap abuse on their immobilized wards.

Injuries and even a death have resulted from the use of the restraint chair, but Arpaio continues to defend its use for locking down trouble inmates.

Inmates such as Richard Post.
After all, Post, a wheelchair-bound paraplegic, had pounded on his cell door demanding that a jail nurse give him a catheter so he could urinate.

For Arpaio's jailers, it was an easy call: Post needed "chairing."
So they crammed him into the device and left him in it for six hours.
They ignored his pleas that such treatment of a paraplegic would cause serious injuries. In fact, the lower, paralyzed portions of his body were severely damaged, and Post would spend four months in bed, convalescing.

But Post's protestations fell on deaf ears. Jailers intended to teach Post a lesson he would never forget. So they strapped him down roughly into the metal contraption, and tightened its leather straps with all their might.

And broke Post's neck.
And now, almost a year after his stay in Joe Arpaio's jail, Post has lost much of the use of his arms, and faces surgery to remove a vertebra from his neck.

It's a tough penalty meted out by a tough sheriff, but then that's the avowed mission of a lawman who brags that his jails are meant to be so miserable no inmate will ever break the law again.

And that includes evildoers such as Richard Post, who has spent a total of one night in jail in his life.



 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: oldman420
Originally posted by: g8wayrebel


Here's a cure for gun violence in Toronto!


TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO; HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA
COUNTY SHERIFF AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER.


THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the "tent city jail":

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for
them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights
Cut off all but "G" movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city
projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for
discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order
that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked! up the cable TV again only
let in the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot
it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton If
you don't like it, don't come back."

He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the
jails.




More on the Arizona Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just
set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living
in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have
been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer
shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their
bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week
before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their
chests and dripped down to their pink socks.

"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has
lived in the tents for 1 year. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago
started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not
one bit sympathetic He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's
120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have
to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your
damned mouths!"

Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a
lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for
their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to
go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers
money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.


Some of this is slightly inaccurate. The meals cost less then 20 cents for example ... LOL!
This may be a re-post , but it should be posted everyday.
See my previous posts about using Mexico for prisoners!

I am sure Stalin would agree with this awfull post also, congats on being a real right wing wacko nut case.
I hope You get placed in a vile situation such as this so you can have a small dose of impathy for your fellow man sheesh

I always though Stalin was left wing


Either way, this persons tactics are good, like everything else in life is good, in moderation. Do these for the hardened criminals not the small timers ect.
 

GhostDoggy

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Radical Idea:

Execute them all and pass law that says any mistakes get a surviving family or estate $500K. It would be cheaper. :D
 

Jaskalas

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People who commit crimes of violence should be treated like this. Execution is the easy way out. Let Granny and other (IMO) civil offenders have air conditioning.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Here's an extrordinary record of newspaper reports on his means & methods. Includes links to all the actual newspaper sites. Worth a read.
http://www.arpaio.com/joe_arpaio_news.htm

Here's link to an Amnesty International report on Maricopa County jails in 1997:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engAMR510511997?open&of=eng-2am

Sorry, but Amnesty International is a joke in many cases. Their recomendations in that case were to close the tend jails, not allow guards to have stun guns (leaving the only options either no defence against inmantes or lethal force), and a buttload of paperwork. Fantastic! So they basically want a hotel.

And for the record, 116 degrees out of direct sunlight may suck, but it isn't going to kill you (unless *possibly* you have some medical condition).
 

Red Dawn

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You guys don't seem to understand, he doesn't run a real Prison, just a City Jail which is isn't anything like a Prison when you get down to it.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You guys don't seem to understand, he doesn't run a real Prison, just a City Jail which is isn't anything like a Prison when you get down to it.

Yeah, I made that mistake at first too.

City jail, this should be illegal, Fed Prison, sure implement theses.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You guys don't seem to understand, he doesn't run a real Prison, just a City Jail which is isn't anything like a Prison when you get down to it.

Yeah, I made that mistake at first too.

City jail, this should be illegal, Fed Prison, sure implement theses.
Ever hear of Pelican Bay? That place make this guys setup look like a Summer Camp.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You guys don't seem to understand, he doesn't run a real Prison, just a City Jail which is isn't anything like a Prison when you get down to it.

Yeah, I made that mistake at first too.

City jail, this should be illegal, Fed Prison, sure implement theses.
Ever hear of Pelican Bay? That place make this guys setup look like a Summer Camp.

Not yet, Ill go look it up now at work :D

Slow day here
 

Polish3d

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Calling america a civilized country ranks on top of the most stupid things to say.

YOU = Case of the dumbs; this is the great exception to the rule
 

EatSpam

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I only approve of this kind of treatment for violent offenders. If you get caught with a baggie of weed, no way.