How a $100 bill ends up costing Target $3.1 million

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: mugs


A counterfeit detection pen would have been useless. The reason a 1974 bill is suspicious is because:
1. It shouldn't be in circulation anymore
2. It's easiest to make a counterfeit of an older series bill. A 1974 bill wouldn't have a security strip or any of the modern security features in bills. Counterfeiters take $1 bills, bleach them, and make counterfeits of older series bills. Counterfeit pens can't detect them, and store cashiers can't tell that they're fake.

Im pretty sure the pens test the paper which hasnt changed in 100+ years.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK
I hope the bitch gets run over by a bus. Maybe her fucking scum lawyer will be with her too.

Yea how dare she try and protect her good name and image. Who cares it may have cost her a job and maybe future work. Target and any business should be able to ruin you anytime they feel like it. :roll:

Did it cost her the high paying belks job she had?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK
I hope the bitch gets run over by a bus. Maybe her fucking scum lawyer will be with her too.

Yea how dare she try and protect her good name and image. Who cares it may have cost her a job and maybe future work. Target and any business should be able to ruin you anytime they feel like it. :roll:

Did it cost her the high paying belks job she had?

1sikbITCH already gave the non-smartass answer above. So here is is again.


"Her very livelihood in the security field depends on her being perceived as reliable and beyond suspicion. Now that Target has ruined her credibility, whenever she goes into court to testify against a shoplifter every defense attorney will just bring up the Target incident and discredit her testimony, causing the case to be dismissed. Her career in Theft Prevention was over the minute the Feds walked into her store.
It's likely that this incident cost her a couple years' salary and probably forced her to seek out a new career completely. That'd be worth $100,000."

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: mugs


A counterfeit detection pen would have been useless. The reason a 1974 bill is suspicious is because:
1. It shouldn't be in circulation anymore
2. It's easiest to make a counterfeit of an older series bill. A 1974 bill wouldn't have a security strip or any of the modern security features in bills. Counterfeiters take $1 bills, bleach them, and make counterfeits of older series bills. Counterfeit pens can't detect them, and store cashiers can't tell that they're fake.

Im pretty sure the pens test the paper which hasnt changed in 100+ years.

Sorry I wasn't clear... the pen would be useless, because a counterfeit 1974 bill would likely be printed on a bleached $1 bill. The pen would say the bill is legitimate, even if it's not.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: akshatp

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH

Originally posted by: akshatp
What "actual damages" were caused? Why did she even try to use the same bill again at another Target? She works in loss-prevention at another dept. store, maybe she set the whole thing up??

Her very livelihood in the security field depends on her being perceived as reliable and beyond suspicion. Now that Target has ruined her credibility, whenever she goes into court to testify against a shoplifter every defense attorney will just bring up the Target incident and discredit her testimony, causing the case to be dismissed. Her career in Theft Prevention was over the minute the Feds walked into her store.
It's likely that this incident cost her a couple years' salary and probably forced her to seek out a new career completely. That'd be worth $100,000.

Very well explained. I didn't think of it that way. I guess in that case, the actual damages should have been higher, but i still think the punitive award of $3m is crazy.

Well, we don't know if that actually happened. I mean, she works in loss prevention at a department store, she wasn't one of the characters in Sneakers.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK
I hope the bitch gets run over by a bus. Maybe her fucking scum lawyer will be with her too.

Yea how dare she try and protect her good name and image. Who cares it may have cost her a job and maybe future work. Target and any business should be able to ruin you anytime they feel like it. :roll:

Did it cost her the high paying belks job she had?

1sikbITCH already gave the non-smartass answer above. So here is is again.


"Her very livelihood in the security field depends on her being perceived as reliable and beyond suspicion. Now that Target has ruined her credibility, whenever she goes into court to testify against a shoplifter every defense attorney will just bring up the Target incident and discredit her testimony, causing the case to be dismissed. Her career in Theft Prevention was over the minute the Feds walked into her store.
It's likely that this incident cost her a couple years' salary and probably forced her to seek out a new career completely. That'd be worth $100,000."

I don't care what 1sikbitch said, did she lose her job?

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: mugs


A counterfeit detection pen would have been useless. The reason a 1974 bill is suspicious is because:
1. It shouldn't be in circulation anymore
2. It's easiest to make a counterfeit of an older series bill. A 1974 bill wouldn't have a security strip or any of the modern security features in bills. Counterfeiters take $1 bills, bleach them, and make counterfeits of older series bills. Counterfeit pens can't detect them, and store cashiers can't tell that they're fake.

Im pretty sure the pens test the paper which hasnt changed in 100+ years.

Sorry I wasn't clear... the pen would be useless, because a counterfeit 1974 bill would likely be printed on a bleached $1 bill. The pen would say the bill is legitimate, even if it's not.

I didnt know that they did that. I have a 1974 $100 bill in my collection and at this point am ascared to spend it.

 

[Vic]

This wasn't a frivolous lawsuit. I can easily see how someone would think the judgment was excessive, but frivolous? No.

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK
I hope the bitch gets run over by a bus. Maybe her fucking scum lawyer will be with her too.

Yea how dare she try and protect her good name and image. Who cares it may have cost her a job and maybe future work. Target and any business should be able to ruin you anytime they feel like it. :roll:

Did it cost her the high paying belks job she had?

1sikbITCH already gave the non-smartass answer above. So here is is again.


"Her very livelihood in the security field depends on her being perceived as reliable and beyond suspicion. Now that Target has ruined her credibility, whenever she goes into court to testify against a shoplifter every defense attorney will just bring up the Target incident and discredit her testimony, causing the case to be dismissed. Her career in Theft Prevention was over the minute the Feds walked into her store.
It's likely that this incident cost her a couple years' salary and probably forced her to seek out a new career completely. That'd be worth $100,000."

I don't care what 1sikbitch said, did she lose her job?

Even if she didn't, would she ever get promoted?

And punitive damages are high because their whole point is to make large companies actually get hurt by lawsuits, instead of them shrugging them off and continuing to do bad.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK
I hope the bitch gets run over by a bus. Maybe her fucking scum lawyer will be with her too.

Yea how dare she try and protect her good name and image. Who cares it may have cost her a job and maybe future work. Target and any business should be able to ruin you anytime they feel like it. :roll:

Did it cost her the high paying belks job she had?

1sikbITCH already gave the non-smartass answer above. So here is is again.


"Her very livelihood in the security field depends on her being perceived as reliable and beyond suspicion. Now that Target has ruined her credibility, whenever she goes into court to testify against a shoplifter every defense attorney will just bring up the Target incident and discredit her testimony, causing the case to be dismissed. Her career in Theft Prevention was over the minute the Feds walked into her store.
It's likely that this incident cost her a couple years' salary and probably forced her to seek out a new career completely. That'd be worth $100,000."

I don't care what 1sikbitch said, did she lose her job?

Even if she didn't, would she ever get promoted?

And punitive damages are high because their whole point is to make large companies actually get hurt by lawsuits, instead of them shrugging them off and continuing to do bad.

I'm sure she would end up suing belks if she got passed over for promotion too. Anyways if her bosses knew what was going on, how could they possibly hold this against her?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The punitive damages will get knocked down on post-trial motions or, failing that, on appeal. The case law is not favorable to ratios of 10-to-1 punitive-to-compensatory damages awards, much less 30-to-1.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: KK
I don't care what 1sikbitch said, did she lose her job?

Why would she lose her job? She didn't do anything wrong.

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KK
I hope the bitch gets run over by a bus. Maybe her fucking scum lawyer will be with her too.

Yea how dare she try and protect her good name and image. Who cares it may have cost her a job and maybe future work. Target and any business should be able to ruin you anytime they feel like it. :roll:

Did it cost her the high paying belks job she had?

1sikbITCH already gave the non-smartass answer above. So here is is again.


"Her very livelihood in the security field depends on her being perceived as reliable and beyond suspicion. Now that Target has ruined her credibility, whenever she goes into court to testify against a shoplifter every defense attorney will just bring up the Target incident and discredit her testimony, causing the case to be dismissed. Her career in Theft Prevention was over the minute the Feds walked into her store.
It's likely that this incident cost her a couple years' salary and probably forced her to seek out a new career completely. That'd be worth $100,000."

I don't care what 1sikbitch said, did she lose her job?

Even if she didn't, would she ever get promoted?

And punitive damages are high because their whole point is to make large companies actually get hurt by lawsuits, instead of them shrugging them off and continuing to do bad.

I'm sure she would end up suing belks if she got passed over for promotion too. Anyways if her bosses knew what was going on, how could they possibly hold this against her?

I think that's why some people go to court: a chance to clear their name. I'm sure they made an offer to Target to settle out of court, but Target didn't want to take it. If they would admit they were wrong and paid me some money for my troubles(lawyer and damaged reputation), I would have taken it and moved on.

I like their idea of just telling people she's passing fake money, yet no law enforcement steps in until the SS catches wind of it. If the bill was damaged or looked fake, tell her to go to a bank and move on. The bank would be more than happy to inspect the bill and exchange it for a better one. Even if it was fake, law enforcement should handle fraud not the business. If they actually thought she was using fake money, SLED should have been the first law enforcement agency to investigate after being notified by the Greenville police.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Mahaguru
Target will just do a write off.

Jerry: So, we're going to make the post office pay for my new stereo, now?
Kramer: It's a write-off for them.
Jerry: How is it a write-off?
Kramer: They just write it off.
Jerry: Write it off what?
Kramer: Jerry all these big companies they write off everything.
Jerry: You don't even know what a write-off is.
Kramer: Do you?
Jerry: No, I don't.
Kramer: But they do - and they are the ones writing it off.

Exactly what I was thinking!

Originally posted by: MrPickins
I don't necessarily agree with the damages, but it sounds like she had a pretty solid case for defamation.

It does since the bill was determined to be genuine.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: MrPickins
I don't necessarily agree with the damages, but it sounds like she had a pretty solid case for defamation.

the punitive damages should be given to a charity of the benefactors choice imo

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Mahaguru
Target will just do a write off.

Jerry: So, we're going to make the post office pay for my new stereo, now?
Kramer: It's a write-off for them.
Jerry: How is it a write-off?
Kramer: They just write it off.
Jerry: Write it off what?
Kramer: Jerry all these big companies they write off everything.
Jerry: You don't even know what a write-off is.
Kramer: Do you?
Jerry: No, I don't.
Kramer: But they do - and they are the ones writing it off.

:laugh:

First thing that came to mind.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Target will just appeal...they won't ever pay out $3.1 million.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Holy crap. What BS.

Things liek this make me loose the will to go to work.

Name noted.

 

[Reckoner]

She certainly has a defamation case, albeit I don't agree with the dollar value in this particular lawsuit. Doesn't target have counterfeit bill detector pens on hand?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
She certainly has a defamation case, albeit I don't agree with the dollar value in this particular lawsuit. Doesn't target have counterfeit bill detector pens on hand?

Read the thread.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
She certainly has a defamation case, albeit I don't agree with the dollar value in this particular lawsuit. Doesn't target have counterfeit bill detector pens on hand?

Read the thread.

oh

 

[Kaido]

Guess she'll be paying with $1,000 bills now :laugh:

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Baked
They need to put a limit on punitive damages awarded to the gold digger, ummm, I meant plaintiff. This is total bullshit.

If the lady was a person who had lost a leg in surgery where she went in for operation on a toe, would you be against 3 million in damages?

Who gets to decide what is worth punitive and is not? 12 random people, thats who and it should stay that way.

And what about the next lady who needs surgery but can't pony up $20k cash just because the last lady got a multi-million payout? Is that fair?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Baked
They need to put a limit on punitive damages awarded to the gold digger, ummm, I meant plaintiff. This is total bullshit.

where can you even remotely believe that she is a "gold digger"?

If that happenned to you, you would be all over these forums asking for advice on how to sue.....hmmm

 

[akshatp]

What if the lady WAS indeed trying to use a fake bill, and then when SS came to inspect it she produced a real one? That would be pretty sneaky.