House Spending Bill - goodbye contribution limits

[Moonbeam]

It's more that any way we would structure society in which we could make sure that someone more powerful than me couldn't hurt me is a world in which that cure is worse than the disease in my opinion.

I think your view of the issue does not equate to what I see as the problem. I am not talking about a world is which we make sure there is no injustice. Injustice isn't a one way street, always committed by the more powerful on the weak. The weak are also able to perpetrate injustice on the strong. I am talking about a world where the unjust can be made to pay for it at a price anybody can afford. It is a lack of consequence that causes injustice to persist. The lack of justice makes for a sick society. Our society seems to be giving up on this. Moral fabric among the population simply doesn't seem to be there. I think our founding fathers would have bayonetted the assholes who are trying to pass this funding bill with their filthy amendments.

 

[CLite]

House sneaks inside a 1,600 page spending bill things that are completely unrelated, go against constituent votes, promote an oligarchy, help big banks with legislation written by their own lobbyists and we spend 90% of the discussion on ACA.

This thread is the poster child for what's wrong. Everyone loves their incumbent but hates congress so you get more of the same over and over again. They could start putting in language about killing off your first born and somehow everyone would find a way to blame others while voting for more of the same.

 

[Bitek]

How the hell did this turn into an aca thread?

Obama just supported the house bill, gave lip service to the riders, but is going along with it.

So yes, Obama is supporting giving the big banks FDIC insurance on their derivatives trading, as well as derailing the last remnants of McCain/Fiengold.

He's urging passage, so now it's Obama/Boner vs Pelosi/Cruz.
Strange times indeed...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think your view of the issue does not equate to what I see as the problem. I am not talking about a world is which we make sure there is no injustice. Injustice isn't a one way street, always committed by the more powerful on the weak. The weak are also able to perpetrate injustice on the strong. I am talking about a world where the unjust can be made to pay for it at a price anybody can afford. It is a lack of consequence that causes injustice to persist. The lack of justice makes for a sick society. Our society seems to be giving up on this. Moral fabric among the population simply doesn't seem to be there. I think our founding fathers would have bayonetted the assholes who are trying to pass this funding bill with their filthy amendments.

The concept of money being speech is anathema to any government supposedly representative. In the real world the powerful always subjugate the weak to some degree, but where there is no redress or relief even remotely possible then hope dies and the government has no legitimacy. It is merely the hired thug permitting whatever its masters allow.

Bread and circuses are most often the result, but now even those are giving grudgingly. The concept of injustice goes way beyond what a government can do however. I speak from experience as you know, however these are general and accepted wrongs we are conditioned to ignore, at times even when we are the victim.

We are a perverse people who pick and choose just who can cut our throats with impunity. That makes no sense at all.

 

[ivwshane]

As much as I can't stand this current generation of republicans for their 'do whatever you can to help large businesses and our donors' attitude, this is the time when both repubs and dems are responsible for this bullshit spending bill.

Sure not all dems support this bill and thank god for warren for fighting the good fight but the facts are; dems negotiated this bill and they new exactly what they were doing when they allowed for these "gems".


Sadly, there isn't really a better alternative, not with repubs on the verge of taking both houses.

 

[trenchfoot]

As much as I can't stand this current generation of republicans for their 'do whatever you can to help large businesses and our donors' attitude, this is the time when both repubs and dems are responsible for this bullshit spending bill.

Sure not all dems support this bill and thank god for warren for fighting the good fight but the facts are; dems negotiated this bill and they new exactly what they were doing when they allowed for these "gems".


Sadly, there isn't really a better alternative, not with repubs on the verge of taking both houses.

From what I've gathered over the news networks is that for the Dems to agree to the Repub's desire to give back to their Buddy Banksters the ability to gamble with taxpayers money again, the Dems got some "really good things in return".

I'd sure like to know what those "really good things" are so I can try to understand why the Dems would agree to allow such crap riders the Repubs inserted at the last moment that only benefit a select few elites.

 

[Moonbeam]

The concept of money being speech is anathema to any government supposedly representative. In the real world the powerful always subjugate the weak to some degree, but where there is no redress or relief even remotely possible then hope dies and the government has no legitimacy. It is merely the hired thug permitting whatever its masters allow.

Bread and circuses are most often the result, but now even those are giving grudgingly. The concept of injustice goes way beyond what a government can do however. I speak from experience as you know, however these are general and accepted wrongs we are conditioned to ignore, at times even when we are the victim.

We are a perverse people who pick and choose just who can cut our throats with impunity. That makes no sense at all.

As you doubtless know, for me, while it is completely senseless, it makes perfect sense because I believe I understand it. Humanity is sick, in my opinion, with the disease of self hate. This causes a split in consciousness between what we think are our motivations what we actually feel, our real motivations we are unconscious of. It is this hidden bias that creates hidden assumptions that there is good and evil. It is this belief in what does not actually exist that makes us insane. We identify with the 'good' to fight the 'evil', not realizing that we do so because we deny, but feel, we are that evil. The ego is our shield and armor that is the fiction we create to deny what was a lie anyway, that we are worthless people. It is the fear of feeling how bad we feel that creates all our anger and rage, all our ambitions to acquire reputation, all our need to cling to each other, to party to nation, to anything that is considered by us, our parents, our group we were programmed to believe to be good.

This is the hidden reality that I believe humanity doesn't see, as invisible to our minds as general relativity, but the key to understanding the human condition.

And it is the deep reality, below all the lies we were fed, that keeps humanity going with some distant sense of hope, the realization and the deeply buried and forgotten memory of out birth in a state of perfection. You lost less of that than most, I think. Because you are a prince of a person, you can feel the pea under the thirty ninth mattress. You have retained more 'soul' than most. You can still feel others pain. I love you for that. Nothing is ever truly forgotten.

 

[Jeff7]

The corruption continues marching on.


Meanwhile, incumbency is consistently over 80%, and more than 90% recently.


"Everyone in Congress is absolute garbage, everyone except for my representatives! They really care about me, and about the things I want from government!"


They care about you if you attend $50k/plate dinners, or anonymously dump cash into a few specific 501c3 organizations.

If that isn't you, then you're little more than an annoying roach that complains a lot.

House sneaks inside a 1,600 page spending bill things that are completely unrelated, go against constituent votes, promote an oligarchy, help big banks with legislation written by their own lobbyists and we spend 90% of the discussion on ACA.

This thread is the poster child for what's wrong. Everyone loves their incumbent but hates congress so you get more of the same over and over again. They could start putting in language about killing off your first born and somehow everyone would find a way to blame others while voting for more of the same.

"I just clicked 'Agree and Accept'! No one ever reads that fine print, even though that's technically my job."



The legal system is so absurdly complex now that we're left with something like the Windows source code, except the programmers had to write it all without the benefit of a compiler or development environment. The operating system is running by way of people reading it to each other.

 

[HomerJS]

Fuck. Jamie Dimon making personal phone calls to crooked members of congress.

I have two questions. Who introduced easing regulations on derivatives?

Where is the corresponding person in the GOP screaming like Warren about this??

 

[Matt1970]

lol. A second person makes the same mistake.

"“we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

You really think it's that much different from what they are saying?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Less bank regulation/oversight and bigger campaign donations what could possible go wrong with that?
I love the donations excuse "because tax payer matching was eliminated" how about these clowns do what they suggest everyone who is poor do, get a second job, cut expectations and live within a budget. So you have less money to finance your conventions well reduce the cost of each one and work harder to get more smaller donors involved. Practice what you preach!

 

[HomerJS]

"“we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

You really think it's that much different from what they are saying?

You are cleverly mixing your arguments. Here's a better example.

A) I'm going to serve you scrapple. After eating it you read the list of ingredients and bitch about the various pig parts, even though you liked it.

B) I'm going to serve you a layer cake. After eating it you find out in between the layers of cake scrapple was added. You hate scrapple.

The ACA is A
This spending bill is B

 

[Sonikku]

The Supreme Court believes money = free speech so all this bill does is ensure those creating the most jobs have the most speech to give.

 

[Knowing]

Also $302,526,872,000,000 of derivatives finally moving on to the balance sheet, ours.

Glad that the media (other than tinfoil outlets) are finally reporting on this after it passed. It's not like indebting ourselves to the tune of 17 times GDP is a big deal or anything.

 

[Jhhnn]

I read it all and it said "Mostly True" at the end....did you miss that part? Anyway, the American people finally found out what was in that bill and don't seem to like it one bit. I imagine they'll be screaming 'bloody murder' when the mandate starts hitting like a truck.

Relentless propaganda works? Color me surprised.

Ask people how they feel about specific aspects of the ACA & you'll get an entirely different set of answers. That's because Repubs have successfully painted the ACA to be something it's not.

Truck? What truck? The vast majority of employer sponsored plans are already ACA compliant, and that's how the vast majority of Americans receive health insurance. You're just preaching the same sort of doom fantasy that Repubs have raved about all along, predictions that, unsurprisingly, haven't come true at all.

 

[Brainonska511]

The bill is heading to the Senate: maybe we can hold out a tiny bit of hope that the more odious provisions are stripped, but I doubt that will happen.

http://nyti.ms/1GjNgZk

 

[FerrelGeek]

I'd love to see boner's constituents rise up and schedule a recall election. He's a prime example of why the mainstream of both parties is irredeemably corrupt. We need the states to rise up and form a term limits amendment and force a constitutional convention.

 

[Knowing]

There's no provision for federal recall in Ohio. It's local only. I don't think any federal recall attempt has ever been successful.

 

[ivwshane]

I'd love to see boner's constituents rise up and schedule a recall election. He's a prime example of why the mainstream of both parties is irredeemably corrupt. We need the states to rise up and form a term limits amendment and force a constitutional convention.

Term limits isn't the issue, a lack of representation is. Congress capped the number of representatives in the early 1900's, which meant that as the population grew, fewer and fewer people are being represented. It's why big money is able to influence out congress so easily with so little money (relatively speaking).

 

[Fern]

There's no provision for federal recall in Ohio. It's local only. I don't think any federal recall attempt has ever been successful.

IIRC, federal elections are set by the Constitution and it has no provisions for a recall vote, only impeachment.

Fern

 

[master_shake_]

Also $302,526,872,000,000 of derivatives finally moving on to the balance sheet, ours.

Glad that the media (other than tinfoil outlets) are finally reporting on this after it passed. It's not like indebting ourselves to the tune of 17 times GDP is a big deal or anything.

wow thats over 4 times the gdp of the planet.

D:

 

[fskimospy]

wow thats over 4 times the gdp of the planet.

D:

Which should tell you that it's a misleading figure. There's a huge amount of that where money is counted multiple times.

I personally think these derivatives are really dangerous financial instruments and should be regulated more closely, but numbers like that don't help anyone.

 

[Fern]

How many pages is this bill?

I will be waiting for it to be digested and see what all BS is tucked inside.

Fern

 

[FerrelGeek]

There's no provision for federal recall in Ohio. It's local only. I don't think any federal recall attempt has ever been successful.

Dam

Term limits isn't the issue, a lack of representation is. Congress capped the number of representatives in the early 1900's, which meant that as the population grew, fewer and fewer people are being represented. It's why big money is able to influence out congress so easily with so little money (relatively speaking).

Term limits would certainly help though. These old fossils have totally lost touch with any sense of public service.

 

[Thebobo]

God bless the republicans.