House set to begin formal impeachment hearings

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Trump & Giuliani knew they were breaking the law in soliciting campaign dirt from a foreign govt. Strong arming that govt just makes it worse.They did it anyway & tried to cover it up. We can't accept such conduct from any President.

THere is another news report about ammunition being delayed for 1 year that was supposed to go to Ukraine. White House has no explication of why there was a delay.
No link I saw it earlier in yahoo.
 

Puffnstuff

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And watergate was just a 3rd rate burglary.
Only the best burglars.....right? :p

THere is another news report about ammunition being delayed for 1 year that was supposed to go to Ukraine. White House has no explication of why there was a delay.
No link I saw it earlier in yahoo.
I supposed Donny didn't have the time to read up on Iran Contra. Perhaps Ollie could ring him up and offer advice.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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jackstar7

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I'm excited to see how letter-writing flourishes again and Ken Burns puts Civil War 2 into really impressive historical context.
 

woolfe9998

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LOL @ Beto's comment:

The best possible path, especially if you're concerned about a country that's never been more divided, perhaps more highly polarized every day, is for this President to resign, allow this country to heal and ensure that we come back together with the greatest, most ambitious agenda we've ever faced, none of it possible while he remains in power," O'Rourke told an audience in Austin.

He's suggesting that Trump resign for the good of the country. This is a whole new side of Beto. I never realized he's a comedian.
 

hal2kilo

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The President has violated his oath of office and committed treason against the Constitution by threatening to break up the Union through civil war if Congress were to carry out its Constitutional powers.


11:41 PST. Trump's attacking whistle blower, incorrectly describing his perfect phone conversation with Zelinsiky. Attacking Schiff's opening description (parodic pharaphrasing). Really wish Schiff hadn't done that, but it still does not negate what really happened.
WH still has no coordinated method of response. All flailing with "second hand" but Biden, Biden's son. What are the Trump children doing that's any different than Biden getting a well paid connected job. Half the Senator's would have to resign if that's unethical or a crime.
 

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Reporting starting to come out that the House lawyers in trying to get the Mueller grand jury info assert they have reason to believe that Trump lied in his answers under oath and that such information is to be disclosed for the purposes of an impeachment investigation and could constitute an article of impeachment for obstruction.

Getting lit out there.
 
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snoopy7548

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Trump is done. Even if he doesn't get impeached, he's not getting anything accomplished over the next year. Americans' attention spans are short, but if he somehow makes it through this there is zero chance he's getting re-elected.
 

Fenixgoon

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Reporting starting to come out that the House lawyers in trying to get the Mueller grand jury info assert they have reason to believe that Trump lied in his answers under oath and that such information is to be disclosed for the purposes of an impeachment investigation and could constitute an article of impeachment for obstruction.

Getting lit out there.

I'd love to see Lindsay Graham try and defend trump if that's the case. Or will he finally break rank?
 

K1052

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I'd love to see Lindsay Graham try and defend trump if that's the case. Or will he finally break rank?

He's handcuffed himself to Trump and thrown away the key.

If anybody breaks away it will be the vulnerable guys in 20 (Gardner, Collins, McSally, etc) or somebody basically immune like Romney.
 

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LOL @ Beto's comment:



He's suggesting that Trump resign for the good of the country. This is a whole new side of Beto. I never realized he's a comedian.

Beto is right, of course, but Trump doesn't think that way. It's not about the country but rather about him. Everything.
 
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Trump is done. Even if he doesn't get impeached, he's not getting anything accomplished over the next year. Americans' attention spans are short, but if he somehow makes it through this there is zero chance he's getting re-elected.

Wouldn’t count on that regarding the Electoral College
 
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I'd love to see Lindsay Graham try and defend trump if that's the case. Or will he finally break rank?

Easy he’ll do what that other senator did on the cnn news show, Lindsey will just say the President didn’t say that even though it is verifiable the President did say it.
 

Mai72

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Supposedly Pompeo was on Trump''s call with the Ukrainian president. If true, Trump might be toast.
 

ivwshane

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Wouldn't it be awesome if trumps impeachment also meant people like Mitch, graham, pompeo, Barr, Nunez, and all the other sycophants that have attached themselves to trump, also get removed? Talk about draining the swamp!
 
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zinfamous

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Wouldn't it be awesome if trumps impeachment also meant people like Mitch, graham, pompeo, Barr, Nunez, and all the other sycophants that have attached themselves to trump, also get removed? Talk about draining the swamp!

Well, this is what Jesus put Trump on earth to do, after all.

Trump may not be the anti-christ that the evangelicals want, but he's the anti-christ that they deserve!
 

Fenixgoon

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Wouldn't it be awesome if trumps impeachment also meant people like Mitch, graham, pompeo, Barr, Nunez, and all the other sycophants that have attached themselves to trump, also get removed? Talk about draining the swamp!

in the back of my mind I've wondered if trump is so brazenly corrupt to see just how many people he can bring down with him
 

Mai72

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in the back of my mind I've wondered if trump is so brazenly corrupt to see just how many people he can bring down with him

He thinks that he can do what he wants, and he wont be stopped. Just look at the Trump casinoes in AC for examples.
 

JTsyo

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Does anyone know if limiting the scope of the "impeachment inquiry" to the Ukraine issue alone means that this is the only issue they intend to impeach on? If so, I think it's a huge mistake.
My understanding is that there's 3 house committees investigating charges against Trump. Some of this predates the Ukraine report. I'm not quite sure which committees are doing what but I would imagine that the House Judiciary committee would be the main one for impeachment.
 

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Graham has his head buried in Trump.
There is a phrase in law and the art of debate.
When you have facts to back you up, pound the facts. When you don't have facts, pound the table.
I saw a lot of table pounding by Graham there.... lotta table pounding.
 

ultimatebob

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I like how the talking heads on the left leaning news shows are trying to convince me that the "majority" of Americans support the Trump impeachment because 45% of people polled now support impeachment and that number is up 10% over the month earlier.

Umm... 45% isn't a "majority", guys. Go back to night school take some remedial math classes. The only thing that 45% support shows is that the people who hated Trump in 2016 still hate Trump now.
 

ch33zw1z

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I like how the talking heads on the left leaning news shows are trying to convince me that the "majority" of Americans support the Trump impeachment because 45% of people polled now support impeachment and that number is up 10% over the month earlier.

Umm... 45% isn't a "majority", guys. Go back to night school take some remedial math classes. The only thing that 45% support shows is that the people who hated Trump in 2016 still hate Trump now.

Lol, maybe that incorporated the EC into their findings.