House Repubs fail to pass DHS spending bill. DHS runs out of $

[Engineer]

House passed the one week funding.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-senate-passes-one-week-security-funding-extension-013312192.html

 

[nickqt]

Just out of morbid curiosity, if the government is the people what do you imagine private companies to be, packs of rabid ocelots? Sentient fungi? Dodecahedrons of dust bunnies?

Private business is out to make a profit in any legal way that it can. It abides by laws as long as abiding by the law is more profitable than breaking it and paying a fine. Private business is accountable to shareholders and big bad gub'mint, at least for now.

Wanting private business to run the country is the same thing as wanting a Monarchy, as a Monarchy is simply government by a private enterprise, with everyone else being simply c̶o̶n̶s̶u̶m̶e̶r̶s̶ subjects.

 

[werepossum]

Private business is out to make a profit in any legal way that it can. It abides by laws as long as abiding by the law is more profitable than breaking it and paying a fine. Private business is accountable to shareholders and big bad gub'mint, at least for now.

Wanting private business to run the country is the same thing as wanting a Monarchy, as a Monarchy is simply government by a private enterprise, with everyone else being simply c̶o̶n̶s̶u̶m̶e̶r̶s̶ subjects.

Seems to me that if private business abides by laws to any degree, we're ahead of the game compared to government. Beyond that, private business is absolutely nothing like a monarchy, random capitalization aside. For one thing, private business is not monolithic. Businesses compete. For another, private businesses are entirely voluntary except where monopolies are granted and protected by government. No private business can decree that you can only use their mill or only buy insurance that they approve. Government can and does.

 

[Jhhnn]

Seems to me that if private business abides by laws to any degree, we're ahead of the game compared to government. Beyond that, private business is absolutely nothing like a monarchy, random capitalization aside. For one thing, private business is not monolithic. Businesses compete. For another, private businesses are entirely voluntary except where monopolies are granted and protected by government. No private business can decree that you can only use their mill or only buy insurance that they approve. Government can and does.

Yeh, eating & not freezing to death are entirely voluntary, along with paying for rent, transportation & communications. The same could be said for turning on the lights & going to the doctor or the dentist.

But only in Glenbeckistan.

 

[sportage]

Funny... Boehner's best friends are in fact the democrats. Go figure.
Saved his ass once AGAIN!

So, lets sum this up now.
In 2014 the republicans take the senate, so they own both house and senate now, and they still can't do anything as one?
Sounds to me like the voters actually did not elect republicans last November after all.
Sounds to me like the voters elected a fluke.
Neither democrat, nor republican.

Sounds to me last November, that the voters actually elected chopped liver.
So here we are, government controlled by democrats, republicans, and chopped liver.
Sounds like our only hope is a little mustard, a tad of mayo, and a nice glass of Chianti.

 

[unokitty]

House passed the one week funding.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-senate-passes-one-week-security-funding-extension-013312192.html

What a shame.

Its always so entertaining to watch fear mongering politicians, and their acolytes whenever they can't get enough tax payer money to redistribute....

Uno

 

[Zorkorist]

It's all on paper anyway. Some day they'll go ahead and close the doors and tell us we don't need to know.

-John

 

[brycejones]

It's all on paper anyway. Some day they'll go ahead and close the doors and tell us we don't need to know.

-John

Hating on that fiat money?

 

[Jhhnn]

What a shame.

Its always so entertaining to watch fear mongering politicians, and their acolytes whenever they can't get enough tax payer money to redistribute....

Uno

I don't believe that Obama ever claimed that sequester cuts spelled doom for us all. Perhaps you could furnish a quote.

Which makes your kabuki a different kabuki entirely.

I think rational Americans want DHS to keep doing their jobs, even if we want to redefine that in different ways. There's only one thing standing in the way of that- HOR Repubs.

They'll be pulling the same shit a week from now, 3 weeks from now or a year from now & most of us would rather not put up with it any more than necessary.

At this point, the harder they dig in their heels the worse they look, deservedly so.

They took the wrong hostage, one they're not willing to kill. It was different when it was millions of Americans who needed extended UI- they'd have been fucked if Dems hadn't knuckled under to top tier tax cuts. And it was different when it was the full faith & credit of the govt- the true Bush constituency would just have demanded higher interest on govt bonds, the safest investment in the world. Because of the "increased risk" that their willful default would have created.

 

[Zorkorist]

Rational Americans, are just as ready to see DHS shut down, as they are ready to see the entire Federal Government, shut down.

We've lived through Federal Government shutdowns before, and didn't blink.

The Federal Government, of course, is afraid that we WON'T miss them.

-John

 

[uclaLabrat]

Just out of morbid curiosity, if the government is the people what do you imagine private companies to be, packs of rabid ocelots? Sentient fungi? Dodecahedrons of dust bunnies?

Are you being serious? Private companies are entities which exist for the sole purpose of turning a profit, not necessarily fulfilling a legal or constitutional mandate.

 

[Zorkorist]

Private companies, or corporations, were established under rules imposed by Governments. They are only entities, because Government has determined they should be so called. They are legal entities, only to be protected from Government.

Otherwise, you might call them your brother, or father, mother, or sister.

-John

 

[nickqt]

Seems to me that if private business abides by laws to any degree, we're ahead of the game compared to government. Beyond that, private business is absolutely nothing like a monarchy, random capitalization aside. For one thing, private business is not monolithic. Businesses compete. For another, private businesses are entirely voluntary except where monopolies are granted and protected by government. No private business can decree that you can only use their mill or only buy insurance that they approve. Government can and does.

A monarchy is a privatized government, where everyone else doesn't have a say in what goes on. Perhaps the King/Queen likes you and grants you status to vote him/her credits to raise an army, perhaps not.

We currently have a government where all citizens can vote. It's a government of the people, by the people, for the people (COMMUNISM, EGADS!).

I don't wish to move to privatized government, because I'm not a monarchist. I like that citizens get a say in how government is ran without first having to buy a certificate of stock.

 

[Zorkorist]

A monarchy is a privatized government, where everyone else doesn't have a say in what goes on. Perhaps the King/Queen likes you and grants you status to vote him/her credits to raise an army, perhaps not.

We currently have a government where all citizens can vote. It's a government of the people, by the people, for the people (COMMUNISM, EGADS!).

I don't wish to move to privatized government, because I'm not a monarchist. I like that citizens get a say in how government is ran without first having to buy a certificate of stock.

We are a Republic. We vote for people that represent our ideals in a democratic process.

-John

 

[Patranus]

House Republicans pass DHS spending bill, Senate Democrats refuse to vote in favor of it and are the party of 'no'.

Got it.

 

[nickqt]

House Republicans pass DHS spending bill, Senate Democrats refuse to vote in favor of it and are the party of 'no'.

Got it.

Nope. You have it pretty much exactly backwards, but you're a conservative, so that's par for the course.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/234209-homeland-security-shutdown-averted

A partial government shutdown was narrowly avoided late Friday evening as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) made a surprise move to back legislation funding the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for one week.

Pelosi’s support helped Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) move the one-week bill through the House in a 357-60 vote just after 10 p.m., with 55 Republicans and 5 Democrats voting against it. The Senate passed the one-week funding bill in a voice vote.

President Obama signed the bill just before midnight.

The eleventh-hour votes in Congress had forced the Obama administration to begin preparations for a partial government shutdown, with DHS releasing a 47-page contingency plan spelling out which employees would have been “essential” and forced to work without pay at agencies like the Coast Guard, Secret Service and U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Earlier in the day, House Democratic leaders had whipped their members against legislation that would have funded DHS for three weeks, and the bill failed 203-224.

The defeat of the three-week bill was a humiliating defeat for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and left his leadership team scrambling for a path forward as a bloc of their conservative members refused to vote for any funding bill that did not reverse President Obama’s executive actions on deferred deportations for illegal immigrants.

Pelosi came to the rescue late Friday evening, sending a letter to Democrats urging them to vote for a one-week continuing resolution (CR) of Homeland Security funding without any immigration riders.

“Thank you for your cooperation on the vote earlier today. Our unity was a strong statement that the Department of Homeland Security must be fully funded,” Pelosi wrote in the letter to Democrats. “We are asking you once again to help advance passage of the Senate passed, long-term funding of DHS by voting in favor of a 7-day patch that will be on suspension in the House tonight.”

Boehner is a terrible Speaker. Can't even get his caucus to vote for a bill he wants them to vote for. Evil Nancy Pelosi will help him out though. Probably because as a good libruul, she hates Amurica. Love it or leave it.

 

[DrDoug]

This made me lol...

Stephen King @StephenKing · 9h 9 hours ago Republican Sen. Roy Blunt on voting against funding Homeland Security: "Most of the employees will show up, anyway." Good one, cheapskate.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. We don't need the DHS. I remember we were just fine without it for Most of my life... Even then we still had the Coast Guard, INS and so on. DHS is just another entity to waste money on.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. We don't need the DHS. I remember we were just fine without it for Most of my life... Even then we still had the Coast Guard, INS and so on. DHS is just another entity to waste money on.

Educate yourself

http://www.dhs.gov/department-components

 

[pcgeek11]

Educate yourself

http://www.dhs.gov/department-components

Silly Canadian, Educate Your own self:

http://www.dhs.gov/creation-department-homeland-security

Department Creation

Eleven days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge was appointed as the first Director of the Office of Homeland Security in the White House. The office oversaw and coordinated a comprehensive national strategy to safeguard the country against terrorism and respond to any future attacks.

With the passage of the Homeland Security Act by Congress in November 2002, the Department of Homeland Security formally came into being as a stand-alone, Cabinet-level department to further coordinate and unify national homeland security efforts, opening its doors on March 1, 2003.


I am a lot older than 2001 / 2002. You know the Coast Guard and INS and lots of other things happened before the DHS was ever a thought.

 

[cyclohexane]

Your word salad is confusing. Perhaps a nice vinaigrette on top would make it more palatable. Sounds like something Frau Palin would say.

Also: children brought to the US and raised here weren't breaking any laws. Those are the big bad illughal alleyuns that KingObummer™ doesn't want to round up and deport post haste.

I remember in the 1990s - airports each had their own security. Much better experience than the TSA. Try again.

 

[Moonbeam]

I remember in the 1990s - airports each had their own security. Much better experience than the TSA. Try again.

Airport security was great prior to 9/11. You could actually fly the plane yourself if you wanted to.

 

[DCal430]

Silly Canadian, Educate Your own self:

http://www.dhs.gov/creation-departm...t defunding them, they are homeland security.

 

[berzerker60]

What a shame.

Its always so entertaining to watch fear mongering politicians, and their acolytes whenever they can't get enough tax payer money to redistribute....

Uno[/QUOTE]

Population growth + same per capita spending = more dollars spent for the same effect. Also more people paying taxes. SO HORRIFYING!!!!

Also inflation.

 

[Patranus]

Nope. You have it pretty much exactly backwards, but you're a conservative, so that's par for the course.

What are you talking about? The House passed legislation to fully fund the DHS legal operations and the Senate Democrats refused to vote on it, leading to this impasse, and a potential shutdown necessitating this stop gap measure.

The Democrats are just pissy because the GOP doesn't want to fund Obama's illegal illegal alien amnesty program which was thrown out by a judge. Not sure why the Democrats still want to find it unless they are just being patrician shills.

You have it wrong.