House Republicans Continue to Sink GWB

jjm

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Republicans had a real opportunity to show leadership, unity, and fiscal discipline. I guess it's not surprising that they completely botched it. The blatant genuflection at the alter of pork is especially disgusting given that these same Republicans promised they would not pull the same antics as Democrats. In fact, they passed a resolution promising to hold the line on spending (passed along party lines). I think voters will crucify them for "saying anything to get the tax cut done."

They seem to be a big part of the sag in GWB's poll ratings. And, with all the rhetoric about needing to accommodate their constituents' interests, things are going to get worse. I guess they'll just use Jr for their specific agenda and then toss him aside when they're done. They got their tax cut, now they want to keep spending too. At least the Democrats don't lie about the fact that they want to spend.



06/29 00:01
Bush Suffers String of Losses as Congress Pushes Its Own Agenda
By Laura Litvan


Washington, June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Dozens of Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives have joined Democrats to deal President George W. Bush a string of losses this month, as members heed their own interests instead of his.

Bush has suffered eight defeats in the past eight days on issues as varied as oil exploration, AIDS and trade.

House Republicans, who voted almost unanimously with Bush on the budget and taxes, say they have to pay attention to what the voters want, not just to what Bush wants.

``If we follow his ideology exclusively, we could risk losing our seats and Republicans could lose the House,'' said Representative Mark Foley, a Florida Republican who voted against drilling off Florida's coast.

Public opinion polls show that Bush's goals and the voters' wishes are increasingly at odds. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll taken June 23-25 found that Bush's approval rating has slipped to 50 percent, the lowest presidential rating in five years. By margins ranging from 6 percentage points to 37 points, those surveyed said Democrats would do a better job handling energy, health care, education, Medicare, Social Security and the economy. The poll had an error margin of 3.5 percentage points.

White House officials say it's too early to draw conclusions about how Bush's policies will fare in Congress. ``Polls don't bother us,'' Chief of Staff Andrew Card said. ``It's still a healthy debate in Congress, and the president is focused on the big picture.''

Bush supporters note that no president gets everything he wants, especially on the annual spending bills. They also say any recent congressional defeats pale against Bush's success in pushing through his signature plan -- a $1.35 trillion tax cut.

The Setbacks

Bush's defeats in Congress over the past eight days include:

-- On June 21, the House handed Bush back-to-back defeats on legislation to fund the Interior Department. The House voted 247- 164 to bar the government from leasing land off the coast of Florida for oil and gas exploration, as Bush had intended to do. Seventy Republicans voted against the drilling.

The House then voted 242-173 to block Bush from offering leases to drill on national monument grounds. Forty-seven Republicans opposed the president on that vote.

-- On June 26, the House voted 285-143 to bar Mexican trucks from operating in the U.S., dealing a setback to Bush's efforts to boost trade with Mexico. Eighty-two Republicans joined Democrats in opposing Bush.

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-- On June 27, a House Appropriations subcommittee voted to give the Export-Import Bank $118 million more in funding than Bush had proposed. The president had called for a 25 percent cut in the lender's budget so spending on his priorities could be increased while keeping overall spending within 4 percent of last year's budget.

-- On June 27, the House International Relations Committee authorized spending $1.36 billion next year to fight AIDS, more than double the $569 million that Bush wanted to spend.

-- On June 28, the House passed a $23.7 billion energy and water projects bill that provided $1.2 billion more than Bush wanted. The bill rejected Bush's proposal for a 36 percent reduction in spending on research into renewable energy sources.

Bush suffered a second defeat on the bill when the House voted 265-117 for an amendment blocking his plan for oil drilling under the Great Lakes. Seventy Republicans voted against Bush.

Forced to Compromise

On other issues, Bush has been forced to back down in the face of possible defeat.

On June 18, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission voted 5- 0 to impose more price controls on wholesale electricity sold in California and 10 other western states. FERC acted under pressure from House Republicans who said they were worried that Bush's opposition to price caps would be interpreted by voters as indifference. Bush ultimately gave his support to the FERC action.

On June 21, House Republican leaders said they were drafting their own version of legislation allowing patients to sue their health care providers for malpractice in state and federal court. The proposal went further than Bush had wanted to go in allowing suits, though it was closer to his view than the Senate bill he threatened to veto. A week later, Bush embraced the House Republican plan as a compromise.

Bush scored one victory this month when the House resisted attempts to increase the size of a $6.5 billion supplemental spending request. The House later sided with the president when it voted to limit emergency farm relief this year to $5.5 billion over the objection of the Agriculture Committee, which wanted a higher figure.

Record of One's Own

Some House Republicans say that while they had no trouble standing with Bush on fiscal issues, they can't or won't abandon long-held views on the environment, labor and spending issues.

``Many of us in the House have voting records on these issues,'' said Representative Jack Quinn, New York Republican. ``It's difficult to change your voting record because someone new is in the White House.''

Other lawmakers say the White House recognizes the problem and has changed its approach. Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri said the White House is reaching out more and more to rank-and- file Republicans.

Quinn said he's noticed a change in recent weeks. He's received six phone calls in the last two weeks from White House staffers to discuss his opinion on issues. This week, he had breakfast with Labor Secretary Elaine Chao and was one of 20 Republican House lawmakers invited to the White House to discuss the patients' bill of rights.

The new approach will be tested soon after Congress returns from its Independence Day recess July 9. The House will then face votes on the patients' rights legislation, an overhaul of campaign finance laws and several budget bills.

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JoeBaD

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jjm,

have you nothing else to do.

I wish AT had an ignore option like the yahoo stock boards.

It is difficult for me to even read your posts when you, the author, is SOOOOOO biased and closed minded.

I am a conservative but freely admit that the Reps can be just as big of arseholes as the Dems.

You, however, simply have an agenda and refuse to see both sides of each story.


 

jjm

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Hey, Joe, if you don't like the post, don't bother responding. Who made you click on it anyway? Nice rant, but very childish.
 

Red Dawn

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<< I am a conservative but freely admit that the Reps can be just as big of arseholes as the Dems. >>

Being a Numbers Cruncher Joe it's understandable why you are a fiscal conservative. I'm glad to see that you aren't one of these &quot;My Party right or wrong&quot; morons.

Unlike Ronald Reagan, I don't believe that Bush has the convictions it takes to defend his agenda. I believe that he just does what he is told and doesn't have the balls to stand up to his party and lead them.
 

jjm

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If the spending does not stop, maintaining the tax cuts in the future will be nearly impossible. God help Congress if we slip into deficits again.
 

Mursilis

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<< I am a conservative but freely admit that the Reps can be just as big of arseholes as the Dems. >>



Indeed. Currently, the best thing that can be said about the Congressional Republicans is that they're not the Democrats. :(
But of course we can only blame ourselves, the voters - after all, it's only pork barrelling when someone else's senator or representative does it!!
 

jjm

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I think both parties are pretty shallow. But the Republicans have let themselves get painted as mean-spirited and now they can't even defend themselves as being fiscally conservative.

And I agree that voters push their representatives for the pork.

Jr will not be able to veto too many of his own party's bills. That would be political suicide to him and the party.
 

BreakApart

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Lately it's been so clear why poor ole GW has been getting skunked.

Spinless Republicans! (yes, i am a repulican, but darn if these guys lately have NO spines)

At every turn the poor guy turns around to find his Republican supporters are hiding, or have made a deal with the other-side(jeffords). Heck even that patsy McCain has been nothing but a thorn in the Republicans side.

Did you hear the latest? Patsy McCain has been supporting the PBR-patients bill of rights for last few weeks, now he admits he never really read the darn thing. How the heck can you support anything without knowing the foundation it was built on? Pathetic...

I'll be the first to admit GW won't/can't fix everything, but heck at least he is trying to slow the growth of the sludge that has covered the country for the past few years.

My only real consolation is Gore didn't get in. In his book-$4 gallon of gas, was his goal, he could have easily gotten us there...

Good Luck to us all...
 

charrison

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jjm,

Maintain the taxcuts. If our money goes to DC, it WILL get spent on something. The problem is not the taxcuts, it is the numnuts in DC.
 

Mursilis

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<< I think both parties are pretty shallow. >>



A reflection on their constituencies.



<< But the Republicans have let themselves get painted as mean-spirited and now they can't even defend themselves as being fiscally conservative. >>



Still, they have historically been slightly more fiscally prudent than the Democratic alternative. Thus, I consider them the lesser evil.
 

Mursilis

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<< jjm,

Maintain the taxcuts. If our money goes to DC, it WILL get spent on something.
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Amen. I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who said something to the effect that money in the hands of Congress was like whiskey and car keys in the hands of teenage boys! :D Better that I waste my money than Congress.
 

Red Dawn

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<< My only real consolation is Gore didn't get in. >>

Not much of a consolation is it. That's like saying that you have Prostate cancer but it could have been worse, it could have been Colon cancer.

 

jjm

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What is clearly happening is that it does not matter if there are tax cuts or not; Congress will spend the money anyway. That's how deficits grew in the first place. It is fallacy to think that just because they don't collect it, they won't spend it. They are proving that a lie as we speak.
 

BreakApart

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Red Dawn i agree with your point... lol...

But, have you read Gore's book? Whoa baby, talk about left field!

I'll still give GW a few years to see if he learns from his early mistakes, before i abandon him.
 

Red Dawn

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<< I'll still give GW a few years to see if he learns from his early mistakes, before i abandon him. >>

A lot of times you have to wait a few years after the Man has been out of office to see the results of his actions while in Office. When Reagan was President I thought he truly sucked. But after 4 years of Bush he didn't seem so bad. Unfortunately I think after 4 years of Bushlite, Clinton might look like a pretty good President. While Clinton was an immoral Skank Monger, at least he had the Cajones to stand up to the Liberal faction of his Party. I think Bushlite has only a pair of raisins and that the Ultra Conservative Faction of his party is going to sink him.
 

jjm

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No, it's not time to flatten DC. Advocating extremist stunts is not something I would advise.

Sadly, I do think the makeup of Congress reflects what the country really desires. On the whole, people want fiscal discipline, but they also don't want the budget balanced by cutting the new Federally-funded project in their towns.

But I think the Republicans also got it wrong on the tax cuts. Everyone will gladly take them, but public opinion showed that there were higher priorities for the money (faster debt retirement being the number one desire). Because of that, Republicans have set themselves up for even stronger criticism as they fail to deliver on the fiscal restraint which was supposed to make the large tax cuts possible.
 

charrison

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jjm,

The debt can be retired faster at a higher cost due to penalties. If the public does not understand they are stupid. If the public wants a balanced budget and their pork, they are stupid. But i guess this would explain the current lot of people we have in DC now. The republicans do need to stick up for strict fiscal policy if they even want to have a chance at reversing this.
If GW does not veto the pork, I will be highly disappointed.
 

jjm

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charrison - I know that the party likes to espouse that propaganda, but the facts are just the opposite.

$618 billion comes due in one year or less as of May 31, 2001. But the Treasury keeps refunding it (issuing new debt to replace it) because the surplus is being used for spending and tax cuts. There is plenty of debt coming due each year. We would all see permanent benefits if the surpluses were used to retire this debt rather than on tax cuts or spending.

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And here's another shocker, even after three years of surpluses, the total debt has not declined. In fact, it is higher today than it was three years ago.

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charrison

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The second is not a shocker. Thanks for the links.


Maybe we just need a million taxpayer march on washington....
 

jjm

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We might need a march, but that won't happen. We just don't like to take the tough medicine it would require to curtail spending. Even GWB himself is requesting military spending far in excess of his original budget proposal.