News House passes police reform bill

[hal2kilo]

This has passed. Probably DOA in the Senate, Mitch is impenetrable.

House Approves Police Reform Bill, But Issue Stalled Amid Partisan Standoff

The House passed legislation crafted in the wake of national protests set off by the death of George Floyd. The bill is not expected to move in the GOP-led Senate, after Democrats blocked GOP bill.

www.npr.org

 

[brandonbull]

This has passed. Probably DOA in the Senate, Mitch is impenetrable.

House Approves Police Reform Bill, But Issue Stalled Amid Partisan Standoff

The House passed legislation crafted in the wake of national protests set off by the death of George Floyd. The bill is not expected to move in the GOP-led Senate, after Democrats blocked GOP bill.

www.npr.org

I thought the Senate had a bill and the Dems killed it?

 

[mect]

I thought the Senate had a bill and the Dems killed it?

They had a bill in the senate, it just didn't reform anything.

 

[woolfe9998]

Haven't read it, but if it's any good, it's going to line Mitch's birdcage, so why bother.

 

[eelw]

Adds to the stack of bills on his desk. Like are judges enough for anyone that supports him to ignore how much of an obstructionist he is?

 

[blackangst1]

They had a bill in the senate, it just didn't reform anything.

What are the points you believe didnt reform anything? My opinion is the Dems wont budge on anything as this will be a key talking point in the elections, therefore must defeat. The Dems are refusing to negotiate.

 

[uclaLabrat]

This has passed. Probably DOA in the Senate, Mitch is impenetrable.

House Approves Police Reform Bill, But Issue Stalled Amid Partisan Standoff

The House passed legislation crafted in the wake of national protests set off by the death of George Floyd. The bill is not expected to move in the GOP-led Senate, after Democrats blocked GOP bill.

www.npr.org

Probably a long shot but I'm hoping we find Moscow mitch very penetrable in November.

 

[mect]

What are the points you believe didnt reform anything? My opinion is the Dems wont budge on anything as this will be a key talking point in the elections, therefore must defeat. The Dems are refusing to negotiate.

Just to name a few:

Didn't ban no knock warrants.
Didn't ban choke holds.
Didn't limit qualified immunity.
Didn't establish a police misconduct database.

Basically, it didn't do anything substantial to improve the issue we are having. The dems are refusing to negotiate because the bill is so far off that it is more efficient to start from scratch (or better yet, start with the bill that passed the house).

 

[hal2kilo]

Just to name a few:

Didn't ban no knock warrants.
Didn't ban choke holds.
Didn't limit qualified immunity.
Didn't establish a police misconduct database.

Basically, it didn't do anything substantial to improve the issue we are having. The dems are refusing to negotiate because the bill is so far off that it is more efficient to start from scratch (or better yet, start with the bill that passed the house).

Was basically modified "thoughts and prayers" with "we will study the issue we were not aware existed". Signed the Senate.

 

[zinfamous]

What are the points you believe didnt reform anything? My opinion is the Dems wont budge on anything as this will be a key talking point in the elections, therefore must defeat. The Dems are refusing to negotiate.

lol @ Dems "refusing to negotiate" as if that was ever a thing--especially considering how the Quisling Party has been running nonstop on an official platform of 100% obstruction since 2008.

 

[SMOGZINN]

lol @ Dems "refusing to negotiate" as if that was ever a thing--especially considering how the Quisling Party has been running nonstop on an official platform of 100% obstruction since 2008.

When they say 'negotiate' what they mean is 'give us everything we want while getting nothing in return'. It is a negotiation, just a terrible one.

 

[soulcougher73]

What are the points you believe didnt reform anything? My opinion is the Dems wont budge on anything as this will be a key talking point in the elections, therefore must defeat. The Dems are refusing to negotiate.

You can only reform things when the other side is willing to reform. Since conservatards are known to not like change, they resist. The party of anti-progress. Makes it hard to have a reform bill when nothing gets reformed.

 

[brycejones]

I thought

That would be a first

 

[brycejones]

What are the points you believe didnt reform anything? My opinion is the Dems wont budge on anything as this will be a key talking point in the elections, therefore must defeat. The Dems are refusing to negotiate.

For someone who claims to be an independent you sure do spew out the GOP talking points.

 

[SMOGZINN]

For someone who claims to be an independent you sure do spew out the GOP talking points.

Don't you know, being an independent is a GOP talking point.
It is really surprising how the GOP keeps winning elections considering that almost no one is a Republican.

 

[blackangst1]

DP

 

[blackangst1]

For someone who claims to be an independent you sure do spew out the GOP talking points.

Ive read the bill and disagree it doesnt "do nothing".

*Discourages choke holds except in life threatening situations, and withholds federal grants for departments that use them.
*Requires districts to report all use of force and firearm discharge to the federal database FBI National Use of Force Data Collection.
*Require departments to retain discipline actions and use of force records for 30 years
*Establish the “Breonna Taylor Notification Act” which would track and analyze all no knock warrant actions.
*Make lynching a federal crime.
*Increase federal funding for body cams, and impose financial penalties for not using them.
*Establish something Pelosi has called for, a study looking at education, health care, education, and financial status and crime.
*Create a standardized curriculum for training in use of force and create funding for training.
* Fund an education program for Smithsonian’s National Museum of African American History and Culture to create a law enforcement training program.


I dont see those as "not doing anything".

 

[Vic]

Ive read the bill and disagree it doesnt "do nothing".

*Discourages choke holds except in life threatening situations, and withholds federal grants for departments that use them.
*Requires districts to report all use of force and firearm discharge to the federal database FBI National Use of Force Data Collection.
*Require departments to retain discipline actions and use of force records for 30 years
*Establish the “Breonna Taylor Notification Act” which would track and analyze all no knock warrant actions.
*Make lynching a federal crime.
*Increase federal funding for body cams, and impose financial penalties for not using them.
*Establish something Pelosi has called for, a study looking at education, health care, education, and financial status and crime.
*Create a standardized curriculum for training in use of force and create funding for training.
* Fund an education program for Smithsonian’s National Museum of African American History and Culture to create a law enforcement training program.


I dont see those as "not doing anything".

Are you under the impression that the House bill doesn't do those things as well? The problem with the Senate bill is that the majority of people want more than just discouraging chokeholds and analyzing no-knock warrants. They want those practices banned, and the Republicans tried to con America with a 'police reform' bill that didn't include the reforms the people want most.

 

[blackangst1]

Are you under the impression that the House bill doesn't do those things as well? The problem with the Senate bill is that the majority of people want more than just discouraging chokeholds and analyzing no-knock warrants. They want those practices banned, and the Republicans tried to con America with a 'police reform' bill that didn't include the reforms the people want most.

No Im not under those impressions. Im simply pointing out the Republican bill doesnt "do nothing" as some have said, even in this thread.

The ban on no knock warrants only applies to drug raids. It doesnt ban them altogether. They are more similar than not, but certainly dont qualify as "do nothing".

 

[Moonbeam]

Are you under the impression that the House bill doesn't do those things as well? The problem with the Senate bill is that the majority of people want more than just discouraging chokeholds and analyzing no-knock warrants. They want those practices banned, and the Republicans tried to con America with a 'police reform' bill that didn't include the reforms the people want most.

Democrats and the majority of the American people want more but Republicans who view police reform as equivalent to chaos and anarchy do not. So to stay in office and keep their easily terrified emotional overreactions under control, while attempting to seem like they want change, they will do little and hop it up as seeming to be a real something, then whine and cry when they get told, NOT ENOUGH. I mean what even does blackangst mean if not fear of black people.

Conservatives are terrified when authoritarian rule is challenged because without it they fear their inner monsters will out. We saw this terror clearly in the film Forbidden Planet.

Inner repression creates the demand for outer repression which causes inner repression and round and round the world goes like one big dumb machine that is afraid to wake up.

 

[Moonbeam]

No Im not under those impressions. Im simply pointing out the Republican bill doesnt "do nothing" as some have said, even in this thread.

The ban on no knock warrants only applies to drug raids. It doesnt ban them altogether. They are more similar than not, but certainly dont qualify as "do nothing".

Wouldn't any bill be said to do something. How about using your head and thinking 'does nothing significant enough to qualify as the change most people are really demanding'.

 

[blackangst1]

Democrats and the majority of the American people want more but Republicans who view police reform as equivalent to chaos and anarchy do not. So to stay in office and keep their easily terrified emotional overreactions under control, while attempting to seem like they want change, they will do little and hop it up as seeming to be a real something, then whine and cry when they get told, NOT ENOUGH. I mean what even does blackangst mean if not fear of black people.

Conservatives are terrified when authoritarian rule is challenged because without it they rear their inner monsters will out. We saw this terror clearly in the film Forbidden Planet.

Inner repression creates the demand for outer repression which causes inner repression and round and round the world goes like one big dumb machine that is afraid to wake up.

Yes because the average American is equipped to come up with policing rules and regulations. amirite?

 

[blackangst1]

Wouldn't any bill be said to do something. How about using your head and thinking 'does nothing significant enough to qualify as the change most people are really demanding'.

Sorry but we arent a democracy.

 

[fskimospy]

Sorry but we arent a democracy.

Unless your argument is concentrated wealth has rendered our votes irrelevant or something like that we are definitely a democracy.

People sometimes say we are a Republic and not a democracy but that just shows their ignorance of the terms. Republics are a kind of democracy.

 

[fskimospy]

To me without an end to qualified immunity it’s not much of a bill.

As I’ve said before the poisonous root of all this police misconduct is the culture of impunity. It’s almost impossible to hold cops to account for doing bad things. Putting their wallets in the line of fire is a really good way to make them behave better.