House holds Bush confidants in contempt

Robor

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
16,979
0
76
Didn't see this posted. Sorry if it's a repost. Either way, I am glad to see the Dems get a backbone and at least try and hold someone in the Bush administration accountable. I would love to hear them explain how the vindictive firings of attorneys critical to the administration are 'off-limits under executive privilege'. How much longer until that tool and his cronies are out of the White House?


House holds Bush confidants in contempt

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The House voted Thursday to hold two of President Bush's confidants in contempt for failing to cooperate with an inquiry into whether a purge of federal prosecutors was politically motivated.

Angry Republicans boycotted the vote and staged a walkout.

The vote was 223-32 to hold presidential chief of staff Josh Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers in contempt. The citations charge Miers with failing to testify and accuse her and Bolten of refusing Congress' demands for documents related to the 2006-2007 firings.

Republicans said Democrats should instead be working on extending a law ? set to expire Saturday ? allowing the government to eavesdrop on phone calls and e-mails in the United States in cases of suspected terrorist activity.

"We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition, but no space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us," said Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader.

"Let's just get up and leave," he told his colleagues, before storming out of the House chamber with scores of Republicans in tow.

The White House said the Justice Department would not ask the U.S. attorney to pursue the House contempt charges. However, the measure would allow the House to bring its own lawsuit on the matter.

It is the first time in 25 years that a full chamber of Congress has voted on a contempt of Congress citation.

The action, which Democrats had been threatening for months, was the latest wrinkle in a more than yearlong constitutional clash between Congress and the White House.

The administration has said the information being sought is off-limits under executive privilege, and argues that Bolten and Miers are immune from prosecution.

Democrats said they were acting to protect Congress' constitutional prerogatives.

If Congress didn't enforce the subpoenas, said Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the No. 2 Democrat, it would "be giving its tacit consent to the dangerous idea of an imperial presidency, above the law and beyond the reach of checks and balances."

Republicans argued that there had been no evidence of wrongdoing in the prosecutors flap, and called the vote a waste of time that would actually damage Congress' standing.

"We don't have evidence that we can give to the U.S. attorney. What we're giving to him is the desire to continue a witch hunt which has produced up to today zero ? nothing," said Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah.

Under former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Justice Department officials consulted with the White House, fired at least nine federal prosecutors and kindled a political furor over a hiring process that favored Republican loyalists.

Bush's former top political adviser, Karl Rove, has also been a target of Congress' investigation into the purge of prosecutors, although Thursday's measure was not aimed at him.

Fred Fielding, the current White House counsel, has offered to make officials and documents available behind closed doors to the congressional committees probing the matter ? but off the record and not under oath. Lawmakers demanded a transcript of testimony and the negotiations stalled.

The White House blasted Democrats for scheduling action on the contempt measures instead of moving to extend the eavesdropping law.

"The American people will find it baffling that on a day that House leaders are trying to put off passing critical legislation to keep us safer from the threat of foreign terrorists overseas, they are spending scarce time to become the first Congress in history to bring contempt charges against a president's chief of staff and lawyer," said Dana Perino, the White House spokeswoman.

The contempt debate sparked an unusually bitter scene even in the fractious House. Democrats accused Republicans of marring the Capitol memorial for their fallen colleague Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., by interrupting it with a protest vote. GOP leaders shot back that it was Democrats who were responsible for dishonoring Lantos, by calling the House into session for the contempt debate before the service had ended.

It's not clear that contempt of Congress citations must be prosecuted. The law says the U.S. attorney "shall" bring the matter to a grand jury.

The House voted 259-105 in 1982 for a contempt citation against EPA Administrator Anne Gorsuch, but the Reagan-era Justice Department refused to prosecute the case.

The Justice Department also sued the House of Representatives in that case, but the court threw out the suit and urged negotiation. The Reagan administration eventually agreed to turn over the documents.

The last time a full chamber of Congress voted on a contempt of Congress citation was 1983. The House voted 413-0 to cite former Environmental Protection Agency official Rita Lavelle for contempt of Congress for refusing to appear before a House committee. Lavelle was later acquitted in court of the contempt charge, but she was convicted of perjury in a separate trial.

On Thursday, three Republicans joined 220 Democrats to support the contempt resolution, including Rep. Walter B. Jones of North Carolina, presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul of Texas and Rep. Wayne T. Gilchrest of Maryland, who was defeated this week in a primary. One Republican, Rep. Jon Porter of Nevada, voted "present."

 

GroundedSailor

Platinum Member
Feb 18, 2001
2,502
0
76
A good start :thumbsup:

There's many more that need to explain their conduct over the past 7 years.



 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
16,937
3,087
126
"We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition, but no space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us," said Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader.

What a douche - when will the republicans learn that using fear as a shield to ward off the truth isn't going to work anymore...

 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
38,548
350
126
The Rule of Law was supported today. Congratulations to it and our nation, and thank you to the democrats for doing it.
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
26,907
174
106
The administration has said the information being sought is off-limits under executive privilege, and argues that Bolten and Miers are immune from prosecution.

Baed on what we (don't) know now, I'll predict that the admin wins. Those two are high enough up/close enough to the President to be covered by exec priv, IMO.

Fern
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
13,816
1,126
126
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
"We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition, but no space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us," said Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader.

What a douche - when will the republicans learn that using fear as a shield to ward off the truth isn't going to work anymore...

He forgot to add "We also have space on the calendar today to get to the bottom of steroid use in baseball".

Indeed, this guy is a douche and with a name like Boehner, how could he not be?
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
21,029
2
81
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Rule of Law was supported today. Congratulations to it and our nation, and thank you to the democrats for doing it.

Yeah, too little, too late. Thanks a lot, Dem's.

:roll:
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
42,808
83
91
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
"We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition, but no space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us," said Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader.

What a douche - when will the republicans learn that using fear as a shield to ward off the truth isn't going to work anymore...

He forgot to add "We also have space on the calendar today to get to the bottom of steroid use in baseball".

Indeed, this guy is a douche and with a name like Boehner, how could he not be?

thank god there's no white girls in a coma in dire need of saving.
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
26,907
174
106
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
"We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition, but no space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us," said Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader.

What a douche - when will the republicans learn that using fear as a shield to ward off the truth isn't going to work anymore...

He forgot to add "We also have space on the calendar today to get to the bottom of steroid use in baseball".

Indeed, this guy is a douche and with a name like Boehner, how could he not be?

Bad analogy.

The Dems scheduled that too (steroids) as they controll the calender.

Fern
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
88,070
55,595
136
Originally posted by: Fern
The administration has said the information being sought is off-limits under executive privilege, and argues that Bolten and Miers are immune from prosecution.

Baed on what we (don't) know now, I'll predict that the admin wins. Those two are high enough up/close enough to the President to be covered by exec priv, IMO.

Fern

Nah, they are screwed... I'd bet you money on it. The only way that they escape is if Congress decides not to enforce them.

Executive priviledge has never covered the conversations of advisors between each other, only when they talk to the president. This assertion of EP is completely ludicrous. Pretty much if Congress decides to make a fight out of this the President has no chance of winning. None.
 

EagleKeeper

Discussion Club Moderator<br>Elite Member
Staff member
Oct 30, 2000
42,589
5
0
So it was political - the appointments are political and the DAs are aware of it.

Congress is pissed off because they were not advised - the positions do not required advisement for termination.

Congress does not have to be involved with the inner workings - they have their own fish to fry internally by getting their own house in oder.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
13,816
1,126
126
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
"We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition, but no space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us," said Rep. John A. Boehner, R-Ohio, the minority leader.

What a douche - when will the republicans learn that using fear as a shield to ward off the truth isn't going to work anymore...

He forgot to add "We also have space on the calendar today to get to the bottom of steroid use in baseball".

Indeed, this guy is a douche and with a name like Boehner, how could he not be?

Bad analogy.

The Dems scheduled that too (steroids) as they controll the calender.

Fern

I wasn't for a second implying the Republicans are responsible for the baseball/steroid crap, I was speaking about the things congress deems important (you know the whole irony thing going on here) and Boehner specifically for his fear/terrorists/want to kill us bullshit mantra.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
42,808
83
91
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
So it was political - the appointments are political and the DAs are aware of it.

Congress is pissed off because they were not advised - the positions do not required advisement for termination.

Congress does not have to be involved with the inner workings - they have their own fish to fry internally by getting their own house in oder.

they also acted in a particularly partisan fashion, in contrast to appointee's before Bush... the baseless corruption charges brought against Senator Menendez right before a close election in NJ are a good example.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
38,548
350
126
Originally posted by: Fern
The administration has said the information being sought is off-limits under executive privilege, and argues that Bolten and Miers are immune from prosecution.

Baed on what we (don't) know now, I'll predict that the admin wins. Those two are high enough up/close enough to the President to be covered by exec priv, IMO.

Fern

Their closeness to the president is not the only factor in 'executive privilege', a very limited privilege (at least until the Republican-packed Roberts Supreme Court).
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
38,548
350
126
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Rule of Law was supported today. Congratulations to it and our nation, and thank you to the democrats for doing it.

Yeah, too little, too late. Thanks a lot, Dem's.

:roll:

Well, ya, too little too late- and a hell of a lot better than the other party.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
38,548
350
126
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
So it was political - the appointments are political and the DAs are aware of it.

Congress is pissed off because they were not advised - the positions do not required advisement for termination.

Congress does not have to be involved with the inner workings - they have their own fish to fry internally by getting their own house in oder.

You're ignorant. There are laws regarding the politicization of some government workers, and there are laws about lying to Congress about the actions taken.

You're also an apologist for the ruining and corruption of our government's main defense against political corruption.
 

Lemon law

Lifer
Nov 6, 2005
20,984
3
0
I see the republicans are very interested in seeing the telco immunity becoming law. So damn interested that they walked out. Well, then House can go on quite without them.

As for executive privilege, that is another matter. If Mukasey declines to act, the house has many options. Including reasserting the enforcements powers they have always had. Or they can also vote to impeach Mukasey as a shot across the bow. Conviction may not be possible in the Senate, but it may be a fine show during the primaries.

Our 30% approval President is welcome to appeal for the support of the American Public, but me thinks that the congress will get the better part of the public support they had back for finally telling GWB&co. where to go. And on the Senate and the Presidential election side of the coin, Obama and Clinton can appear above the conflict while
McCain has to go to bed with GWB or file for a divorce.

And in recent P&N history, there were all those threads about how spineless Pelosi was.

Of course this still leaves room for others to post that the dems will back down as usual. I hope not but time will tell.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
88,070
55,595
136
They should sent the Sergeant at Arms out to corral 'ol Harriet and co. Back in the day they used to literally send him out to break heads and grab people who were pissing them off. I'd be very glad to see a return to this.
 

Harvey

Administrator<br>Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
35,059
73
91
The Republicans' spin on that is amazing.

They're in a hurry to give the telcos immunity for their crimes, completing the cover up of the admin's involvement in unwarranted spying, and now that they no longer have the majority, and they can't stall investigations into all the other crimes and cover ups, they walk out on the session. :roll:

A fine collection of ethical dwarves and mental midgets. :p
 

RightIsWrong

Diamond Member
Apr 29, 2005
5,649
0
0
what is that? That....that little glimmer there?

Could it be hope? Maybe.

Could it be light at the end of a long tunnel? Possibly.

I GOT IT!!!

It's the light reflecting off of the newly exposed brass balls that the Dems are finally showing off.
 

Robor

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
16,979
0
76
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Rule of Law was supported today. Congratulations to it and our nation, and thank you to the democrats for doing it.

Yeah, too little, too late. Thanks a lot, Dem's.

:roll:

Well better late than never. Don't you agree?
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
74,824
6,780
126
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Rule of Law was supported today. Congratulations to it and our nation, and thank you to the democrats for doing it.

Yeah, too little, too late. Thanks a lot, Dem's.

:roll:

Well better late than never. Don't you agree?

I don't. They left in history the fact that a huge piece of shit can serve 8 years. We will have more shit for sure. Those worthless spineless swine.
 

Robor

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
16,979
0
76
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Rule of Law was supported today. Congratulations to it and our nation, and thank you to the democrats for doing it.

Yeah, too little, too late. Thanks a lot, Dem's.

:roll:

Well better late than never. Don't you agree?

I don't. They left in history the fact that a huge piece of shit can serve 8 years. We will have more shit for sure. Those worthless spineless swine.

I agree they should have been impeached but now is not the time for that. The Dems need to focus on the 11/08 elections.
 

GrGr

Diamond Member
Sep 25, 2003
3,204
1
76
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Rule of Law was supported today. Congratulations to it and our nation, and thank you to the democrats for doing it.

Yeah, too little, too late. Thanks a lot, Dem's.

:roll:

Well better late than never. Don't you agree?

I don't. They left in history the fact that a huge piece of shit can serve 8 years. We will have more shit for sure. Those worthless spineless swine.

I agree they should have been impeached but now is not the time for that. The Dems need to focus on the 11/08 elections.

Heh, focusing on the next elections were always the rationale for not doing their duty.