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I’m okay with cutting 2000 Border Patrol agents. The agency is bloated by any measure. On the other hand, no deals should be accepted for a debt limit increase, clean bill or F’ off.
 
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IronWing said:
I’m okay with cutting 2000 Border Patrol agents. The agency is bloated by any measure. On the other hand, no deals should be accepted for a debt limit increase, clean bill or F’ off.
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Other cuts I'd approve of:
- Repealing all of the Trump tax giveaways (c. $150-200bn/year, of which from 2025, 100% of this gift goes to the ultra-rich and corporations)
- End all farm subsidies (c. $33bn/year)
- End all fossil fuel subsidies (c. $2-5bn/year), included in Biden budget (at least partially)
- Cut highway aid that exceeds fuel tax revenue (c. $20bn/year), or preferably increase federal fuel tax to match federal highway aid
- Eliminate federal K-12 education funding (should be state issue, not federal), c. $30bn/yr

And that setup more than doubles the savings even claimed by Republicans in their "drastic" cuts proposal...
 
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Dave_5k said:
Other cuts I'd approve of:
- Repealing all of the Trump tax giveaways (c. $150-200bn/year, of which from 2025, 100% of this gift goes to the ultra-rich and corporations)
- End all farm subsidies (c. $33bn/year)
- End all fossil fuel subsidies (c. $2-5bn/year), included in Biden budget (at least partially)
- Cut highway aid that exceeds fuel tax revenue (c. $20bn/year), or preferably increase federal fuel tax to match federal highway aid
- Eliminate federal K-12 education funding (should be state issue, not federal), c. $30bn/yr

And that setup more than doubles the savings even claimed by Republicans in their "drastic" cuts proposal...
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of all the things, this is one of the fucking dumbest things. every dollar spent on k-12 or early childhood education has like an 8x ROI in terms of money NOT spent in the future.
 
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Fenixgoon said:
of all the things, this is one of the fucking dumbest things. every dollar spent on k-12 or early childhood education has like an 8x ROI in terms of money NOT spent in the future.
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I've never understood the compulsion to not educate children. A child educated actually funds the shit a retired person uses within like 10 years. It's like vampires culling populations of bloodbags because they smell funny.
 
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Fenixgoon said:
of all the things, this is one of the fucking dumbest things. every dollar spent on k-12 or early childhood education has like an 8x ROI in terms of money NOT spent in the future.
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While I agree, bailing out states that continuously reduce share of spend on education (while pushing tax cuts) isn't the role of the federal government - and many of those states simply use the extra federal dollars as an excuse to not properly invest in schools themselves
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
I've never understood the compulsion to not educate children. A child educated actually funds the shit a retired person uses within like 10 years. It's like vampires culling populations of bloodbags because they smell funny.
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Agreed. Education money needs to be increased, not decreased.

I understand why the rich are in favor of cutting education spending. It's easier to control the general populace if they are uneducated and you can feed them lies. It's another way of creating a royal class and a servant class. In this case, if you are the 1 in 100 million who can rise above the servant crowd (those in poverty), you get to become one of the royals (the rich).
 
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In iOwa the red governor took $7600 per child out of the public school funding to give to the parent for sending the kid to a private school. But I know something they don't know.... That $7600 won't be nears enough to send a kid to a private school for an entire year, so next year this same red governor will be back before her republican controlled state legislature asking for double that $7600. I'm guessing she'll need more like $21,000 per child. And then, LOOK OUT! She will have to raise taxes thru the ceiling to cover that taxpayer funded private school expense. Plus, cut public school funding out of existence. And the funny thing is, there aren't even enough private schools available in the state to go around, especially in the rural areas.

This scheme only sets the stage for a lot of "funny business" with that private school money, like maybe the gov needs a better car oh say something like a new Mercedes. Or, a winter home in Hawaii. But in all reality she'll probably just give it all to Trump for his election fund. She already plays "funny games" with the states matching federal funds for road repair. And the only elected democrat in the mix, the state auditor i.e. the whistle blower i.e. the pain in her ass, he the state auditor was just neutered by her crooked republican controlled legislature. They just passed legislation stripping away the state auditors powers to investigate those republicans. This allows her and them republican legislators to be as crooked as their hearts desire without anyone knowing nor having the ability to investigate all their "funny business" happening with taxpayers money.

It's kind of like if Al Capone had owned the entire US congress. Then Al wouldn't have had to worry about being a crook and breaking the law.
 
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sportage said:
In iOwa the red governor took $7600 per child out of the public school funding to give to the parent for sending the kid to a private school. But I know something they don't know.... That $7600 won't be nears enough to send a kid to a private school for an entire year, so next year this same red governor will be back before her republican controlled state legislature asking for double that $7600. I'm guessing she'll need more like $21,000 per child. And then, LOOK OUT! She will have to raise taxes thru the ceiling to cover that taxpayer funded private school expense. Plus, cut public school funding out of existence. And the funny thing is, there aren't even enough private schools available in the state to go around, especially in the rural areas.

This scheme only sets the stage for a lot of "funny business" with that private school money, like maybe the gov needs a better car oh say something like a new Mercedes. Or, a winter home in Hawaii. But in all reality she'll probably just give it all to Trump for his election fund. She already plays "funny games" with the states matching federal funds for road repair. And the only elected democrat in the mix, the state auditor i.e. the whistle blower i.e. the pain in her ass, he the state auditor was just neutered by her crooked republican controlled legislature. They just passed legislation stripping away the state auditors powers to investigate those republicans. This allows her and them republican legislators to be as crooked as their hearts desire without anyone knowing nor having the ability to investigate all their "funny business" happening with taxpayers money.

It's kind of like if Al Capone had owned the entire US congress. Then Al wouldn't have had to worry about being a crook and breaking the law.
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School voucher systems are always sold as a way for parents to control what schools their child goes to, and to make parents feel like they have a way of giving their child a better education. But the reality is this is another tax cut for the rich.

Poor parents will never have enough to pay for a full year's tuition at any respectable private school. The affluent parent was going to send their kids to a private school anyways. The poor parents wind up sending their kids to public education anyways.

Effectively, this results in a cut in education for public schools.
 
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HomerJS said:
Clean bill for debt limit and then discuss budget. Same deal Dems gave Trump
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Repugnican reply, okay let us impeach Biden also. But unless it isn't making news, I'm surprised no calls to impeach Biden or Harris yet. Only mayor Pete and Mayorkus.
 
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akugami said:
School voucher systems are always sold as a way for parents to control what schools their child goes to, and to make parents feel like they have a way of giving their child a better education. But the reality is this is another tax cut for the rich.

Poor parents will never have enough to pay for a full year's tuition at any respectable private school. The affluent parent was going to send their kids to a private school anyways. The poor parents wind up sending their kids to public education anyways.

Effectively, this results in a cut in education for public schools.
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Also private schools get to pick and choose their students. It helps their outcome. Public schools must take everyone.
 
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HomerJS said:
Also private schools get to pick and choose their students. It helps their outcome. Public schools must take everyone.
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Yep, I went to a private high school and parental selection was the primary reason we were so much more wonderful than our public school counterparts. The school spent substantially less per pupil than surrounding public schools. Find a way to convince more parents to care about their children's education and the public schools will get a whole lot better without spending a dime more.
 
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Vouchers are just the invisible hand eroding public education. Just a silent way to pull funding out of public schools and cripple them. Then republicans can look at the destruction they caused and say "SEE!!! SEE!!! THEY ARE FAILING HA HA!"
 
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If vouchers were a semester of education vs a $ amount that every accredited school had to take I might be in favor of trying.

Think Sidwell Friends would allow poor people into their school?
 
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HomerJS said:
If vouchers were a semester of education vs a $ amount that every accredited school had to take I might be in favor of trying.

Think Sidwell Friends would allow poor people into their school?
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Sidwell Friends has always had students from poor families attending. It's built into their mission.
 
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IronWing said:
Sidwell Friends has always had students from poor families attending. It's built into their mission.
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Genuine question since a quick google search did not turn up anything. Although the yearly tuition of $47-51k gave a huge YIKES!

So the question is, as a percentage, how many poor students attend on a full scholarship? And what is the actual hard number of poor students that attend?

The followup is, assuming any poor students get a scholarship, what is the academic percentile cutoff, if any, for poor students on some sort of scholarship?


In any case, it does not invalidate the point that school vouchers are a form of tax cuts for the rich and effectively becomes a reduction in funding for public education.
 
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