House Approves Strip Search Bill

[VooDooAddict]

Once again, we (some of us) are willing to subject all young people to conditions we would certainly not tolerate ourselves. It's kind of hilarious (when you really think about it) that kids are "prepared" for life in the real, free and democratic world by being placed for nearly their entire youth in what could be called a dictatorship, where free speech and any form of individuality or privacy is not tolerated, and students are told how to think, told how to do every little task, and are forced to ask permission to do...... well, anything, even go to the bathroom.

When I was in Jr. High my parents and I were actually looking into legal options to fight about the bathroom issue. The teacher and principal were on a mad power trip and were causing jr high students to wet themselves in class by the extreme limits they were placing on bathroom visits. I was nearly suspended for getting up and going to the bathroom when I needed too because I ignored the teacher screaming at me to sit back down. The military high school I went to was no where near as barbaric.

 

[VooDooAddict]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Tom
It would be pretty hard to make an argument that in a public school, privacy is more important than preventing drugs or weapons in the school.
Just like privacy isn't more important than preventing people carrying guns on airplanes.

Fine, but then please stop complaining about the government wanting to wiretap homes of U.S. citizens who may be in contact with terrorists. Your privacy, and the privacy of all U.S. citizens, is certainly not more important than stopping any terrorist plot to kill innocents.

A person in their home is an a completely different circumstance than a student in a school. Sorry you can't see a distinction.

Fine then. Let the government spy on you in your workplace. Same idea as at school.
I'm pretty sure you'd object if your employer was able to, for any reason, search you from head to toe.

Fist of all there is a very simple distinction you are both missing here. There are public and private places:
Going to a Public School.
Owning or renting a Private Home.
Working for a Privatly Owned and Operated Buisnesses.
Working for a Public sector job... Library, Police, Fire, Buildign Inspector, DMV... ect.

After reading much more on the matter what this bill is essentially doing is giving public educators police like search powers over thier students. The bill also has language in it to say that the searches must me reasonable in respect to the accusation and the sex and age of the individual.

Personally, I don't think educators need that burdon as they don't have the proper training. It will also put more distance between teachers and troubled students. I want troubled students to fear the police ... not the teachers that can help them find a better future. I suspect the only educators who really want this power are those that are a bit power hungry.

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: Genx87
If this is the same bill I heard about a couple of days ago, this pertains to locker searches. And honestly I dont see the problem with it, it is public property, there should be no inherit right to privacy on public property.

The kids arent paying rent for these lockers.

Actually, in most schools, you are. You pay a security deposit on lockers, payable every year. You get the money back when you graduate.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Genx87
If this is the same bill I heard about a couple of days ago, this pertains to locker searches. And honestly I dont see the problem with it, it is public property, there should be no inherit right to privacy on public property.

The kids arent paying rent for these lockers.

Actually, in most schools, you are. You pay a security deposit on lockers, payable every year. You get the money back when you graduate.

Security deposit != rent.

The security deposit covers damages to the locker incase it has to be reparied/replaced.

If $$ is returned at the end of the school year, it can not be considered a rental.

 

[fitzov]

And honestly I dont see the problem with it, it is public property, there should be no inherit right to privacy on public property.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I don't see anything here that excludes public or private property.