I have a Yamaha SCSI burner and PNY's have given me a loveley set of coasters. 1 out of 2 don't burn and Yamaha says it's a problem with the lead in groove. Music always sounds crappy on them if you're lucky enough to get a burn.
Those PNY's do wear out after a few months or so. Worst was when my windows 2000 disk wore out and I had to scour the globe to find it. I'll never buy cheap cd-r's again.
-Jim
-Jim
<< ...the dye used for the PNY's is CYANINE! >>
I'm afraid you are misinformed. Just because a disk is Cyanine does NOT make it good! In fact, all of the cheap CD-Rs that I have run CdID on are Cyanine (Type 0). The TDK Certified + disks that I have are the same. The manufacturer is waaayyy more important in determining the quality of the CD-R. That said, this IS a good deal.
Anybody have any long term experience with these cheap kingston CDRs from outpost?
Kingston 80 min 12x for $12.95
I have used about 120 or so of both the 8x and 12x (these have a different dye and work with Dreamcast games), and haven't had any coasters. But I haven't had any for over 4 or 5 months so I am wondering if anybody knows how well they hold up and whether or not the Imatrion CDRs are better (so to say).
Kingston 80 min 12x for $12.95
I have used about 120 or so of both the 8x and 12x (these have a different dye and work with Dreamcast games), and haven't had any coasters. But I haven't had any for over 4 or 5 months so I am wondering if anybody knows how well they hold up and whether or not the Imatrion CDRs are better (so to say).
I got a couple of spindles of the PNYs a week or so ago and have burnt approximately 30 or so CDs with only one coaster (and that was my fault). I was using an old Memorex 2x burner and, for the most part, EZCD Creator 4 (Nero 5 for a couple). I don't know how well they are going to hold up after a year or so, but they burn fine. I will admit that after reading a couple of the preceding posts, I will probably hold off putting anything critical on them though. Time will tell.....
Okay, this is a bit off topic but it is in regard to a previous post in this thread:
Anyone want to explain to me how a poor quality CDR blank would cause more buffer underruns? This sounds bogus to me. I thought a buffer underrun was the inability of your system to feed data to the writer fast enough to keep up with the rate at which it is writing to the blank, eventually starving the buffer. I could see where poor quality media could generate more coasters not necessarily due to underruns. What is this feedback loop from the crappy blank to the IDE bus where it screws up the entire system enough to run out the buffer?
Anyone want to explain to me how a poor quality CDR blank would cause more buffer underruns? This sounds bogus to me. I thought a buffer underrun was the inability of your system to feed data to the writer fast enough to keep up with the rate at which it is writing to the blank, eventually starving the buffer. I could see where poor quality media could generate more coasters not necessarily due to underruns. What is this feedback loop from the crappy blank to the IDE bus where it screws up the entire system enough to run out the buffer?
I have burned at least a few thousand disks over the past three years, so you might assume I know what I am doing. I bought one fifty pack of the pny's and have had more than 50% coasters with them. I am using Pextor or Sanyo burners, no difference. If some people are having great success with these and some get a lot of coasters, I would guess that Pny sold a few batches of defective disks. I would never buy them again and think pny jumped on the cdr bandwagon for the cheap advertising. Kinda off topic but I also find it hard to believe when someone claims to never get coasters. Like I said I consider myself somewhat skilled in this, yet I still get coasters. They come from bad media, Windows quirks. software conflicts, hardware conflicts and just plain old I don't know why the heck I got a coaster but I did.
Scrounger - you're right, I misspoke. I get what was previously said as "an unrecoverable WRITE error." Often this is reported as a buffer under run, but I get it sometimes even if recording at 2x speed on these POS cdrs after a fresh boot with nothing running in the background...
Does recording at lower speed give give a lower
chance of producing unusable coaster?
I mean I have been burning with an old Memorex (4X)
drive with these PNY disks, so far so good.
chance of producing unusable coaster?
I mean I have been burning with an old Memorex (4X)
drive with these PNY disks, so far so good.
Cloudchief - I will say that I never have had a single Imation coaster, except from user error. I have gone through 200+ of them also, both 4x, 8x, 74min, & 80min.
CEO - yes, that holds true for all burners/cdrs (maybe not if you have one with burnproof I suppose). Lower speed requires less data going to the burner, thus less chance of using too much drive bandwidth doing something else on the computer.
*URGENT*
thisismatt:
We have different cd-rs . . ..mine have CAPITAL G's on them and barely visible serial no's. . .also, i have never had any problem with any type of cd-r, regardless of whether or not the cd-r was TDK or compUS@ . . .so i dont know how much my input is worth. . .
and thank you to those who corrected my info. ..i am in no way an expert, and what i wrote was to the best of my knowledge . . .just tried to clear things up a little better . . . well, now i know more and others do too. . .
thanks.
thisismatt:
We have different cd-rs . . ..mine have CAPITAL G's on them and barely visible serial no's. . .also, i have never had any problem with any type of cd-r, regardless of whether or not the cd-r was TDK or compUS@ . . .so i dont know how much my input is worth. . .
and thank you to those who corrected my info. ..i am in no way an expert, and what i wrote was to the best of my knowledge . . .just tried to clear things up a little better . . . well, now i know more and others do too. . .
thanks.
Just wanted to add in my experience with imho POS cd-r's... I have a hp 4x cdrw and i used a whole spindle of these pny cd-r's and mainly to burn vcds on... i usually burn then watch later... the majority of the pny burned vcds were unreadable in my cdrw and my pioneer dvd drive or my friends computer... in fact it was so bad that my computer would often lock up just trying to access it in windows 98... now thats some sh**... ok perhaps its my hp burner which i know isnt the cream of the crop but what the hell... all my imation and tdk burns seem to be fine even after over a years worth of storage. I still have a whole 50pk spindle of pny's (i bought 2 at buy.com at the time) that i will prolly end up just throwin away or try to peddle it for enough money to buy an extra value meal.
Just like to add a little of my experience. I've had close to a 30% failure rate on Imation Bulk packs(50 or more on spindle). Not a single coaster on Maxell 10 packs and I've had a 90% failure rate(not on burning but lasting longer than a month) on a spindle from CompUSA that CDrIdentifier says are Prodisc Technology. I hate to say it because of all the bad reviews but the best spindle discs I've come across are the Ritek TDK 100ct bundle from Buy.com. Not a problem and have lasted so far(used about 40 of them). It's true, It's true. Oh my burner is an HP9100 cheap but I'm satisfied with it.
Pnklytnyng
you obviously don't have any idea about cdrs. I suggest you go to cdmediaworld.com and read up a bit about cdrs. Cyannine cdrs are far from the best type of dye. In order to have a "good" cdr there are a couple of other factor's besides the dye, but if you were to just base your decision on dye, then Phthalocyanine is the best dye since it has an estimated life of 100 years, but it would almost be pointless to have a cdr that uses Phthalocyanine dye that has no scracth resistant coats. As for compatability, Phthalocyanine dye cdrs are the most compatible type when it comes to playing in cdroms,cd players etc... I could write a whole book about this but you could just go and read all this up yourself.
you obviously don't have any idea about cdrs. I suggest you go to cdmediaworld.com and read up a bit about cdrs. Cyannine cdrs are far from the best type of dye. In order to have a "good" cdr there are a couple of other factor's besides the dye, but if you were to just base your decision on dye, then Phthalocyanine is the best dye since it has an estimated life of 100 years, but it would almost be pointless to have a cdr that uses Phthalocyanine dye that has no scracth resistant coats. As for compatability, Phthalocyanine dye cdrs are the most compatible type when it comes to playing in cdroms,cd players etc... I could write a whole book about this but you could just go and read all this up yourself.
Matt I have to admitt that the failures I had with the Imation bundles was with my old Acer 4x2x8x burner, and I haven't had problems with the Imation packs that come in cases. It's also been about a year and a half so they might be OK now but its hard to go back once you've been "BURNED"
Thisismatt, while I don't have the burning experience that you do (I've only averaged about 300 per year for the last few years), I've never encounted any CD brand that consistently gives WRITE errors the way the PNY's do. I get the same results from 2 Plextor's and a Ricoh burner. While it may be just a bad batch that my 2 spindels came from, I would definately hesitate before purchasing any more of 'em. Also, I kind of dislike paying for the PNY advertizing included absolutely free with every PNY blank. They should be paying us to use them if they want to benefit from the ads that are prominent on each blank.
Controller - I hear ya. I won't be buying any of them again - ever. Great thing that they have a gaurantee - send them back for more in shipping than they're worth and you get another batch of POS cdrs back from them :Q no thanks...
Well, I don't know too much about the technical aspect of CDRs, I can only speak from my experience.
I've gone through hundreds of PNY cdrs and have made 0 coasters. I used them on my Mitsumi 4x (never thought that would still be running after 4 years) and we use them at work on an IDE Plextor 12x. Never had a problem with them... they're cheap and work great. The new BlackDiamond 16x ones have a black bottom (like a playstation game) and are scratch resistant.
I've had good luck with the Kodak Golds aliu79 mentioned too. Imation CDs absolutely suck... they're not that cheap when it takes 3 to make a CD.
And on a side note.. the IDE Plextor 12x with "burnproof" may not be a new technology, but its a great addition. Why pay twice the price for SCSI? Maybe for some its worth it, but not me! All I really want is for serial-ATA to come out
I've gone through hundreds of PNY cdrs and have made 0 coasters. I used them on my Mitsumi 4x (never thought that would still be running after 4 years) and we use them at work on an IDE Plextor 12x. Never had a problem with them... they're cheap and work great. The new BlackDiamond 16x ones have a black bottom (like a playstation game) and are scratch resistant.
I've had good luck with the Kodak Golds aliu79 mentioned too. Imation CDs absolutely suck... they're not that cheap when it takes 3 to make a CD.
And on a side note.. the IDE Plextor 12x with "burnproof" may not be a new technology, but its a great addition. Why pay twice the price for SCSI? Maybe for some its worth it, but not me! All I really want is for serial-ATA to come out
Just to add another failure story:
I purchased 2 of the PNY 50pk 700MB from BestBuy about 6mo's ago when they were on special (after rebate). The media I purchased is definitely crap. The first CDR I took out, when I looked at it from the bottom, had a part of the dye missing (you could clearly see a hole in the surface area). The hole was near the outside edge so I just burned a cd that didn't go to the edge... and it worked fine.
I then checked out other discs and some of them have a wavy / warped appearance that is DIFFERENT than what I'm used to seeing. It looks as though the tracks are not perfectly round. The disc itself is flat, just the tracks don't look right. Some still burn ok, but:
All in all, I've had about 5-10 failures from this 50pk. Ranging from burn failures to problems reading the successful burns on various CDROMS. This is definitely a media problem as I have not had one problem using any other media on my Yamaha 6x4x16 SCSI, even now.
As always, Your mileage may vary.
I purchased 2 of the PNY 50pk 700MB from BestBuy about 6mo's ago when they were on special (after rebate). The media I purchased is definitely crap. The first CDR I took out, when I looked at it from the bottom, had a part of the dye missing (you could clearly see a hole in the surface area). The hole was near the outside edge so I just burned a cd that didn't go to the edge... and it worked fine.
I then checked out other discs and some of them have a wavy / warped appearance that is DIFFERENT than what I'm used to seeing. It looks as though the tracks are not perfectly round. The disc itself is flat, just the tracks don't look right. Some still burn ok, but:
All in all, I've had about 5-10 failures from this 50pk. Ranging from burn failures to problems reading the successful burns on various CDROMS. This is definitely a media problem as I have not had one problem using any other media on my Yamaha 6x4x16 SCSI, even now.
As always, Your mileage may vary.
anyone tried to break imation cdr's? those stuff are unbreakable! gotta love Imation and 3M! their cdr's use phy dye, the most compatible and reliable dye in use today hands down...if a 5 cent cdr uses phy dye, then it's good!
dman, the "wavy" edges at the end is normal, it's just the refractive properties blah blah of the blah blah pits blah blah....
dman, the "wavy" edges at the end is normal, it's just the refractive properties blah blah of the blah blah pits blah blah....
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