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Pnklytnyng

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ACTUAL DEAL:
ok. . .if there's anybody out there who still doesn't know, weekly at BB around my place. ..NJ. . .they sell a 50pack or 700MB PNY's for $15. . .buy 2 packs and get a MIR for $15. . .i usually try to stay away from the crappy "1000 for $1" cd-rs, but these PNY's are actually good quality . . .here's the deal:

FACT:
i used a program called CDR Indentifier. ..it gives you info about the cdr. . .the dye used for the PNY's is CYANINE! . . .a bad dye makes a crappy cd-r, BUT cyanine is VERY tolerant to fluctuations in the power of the reading (or writing) laser. . .what does this mean?. ..you will be able to use the cd-rs im most players, regardless of their age, or the fact that these cd-rs are see-through. . .

MYTH(s):
-If the cd-r is "see-through", you cant play it very well in some cd players. . .
Some people beleive that the label "blocks" the laser beam and prevents it from going through the cdr and sensing nothing there (no-cd).
Reason: First of all, these cd-rs are only partially see-through in some areas. . And even so, if this were true, the laser would be stopped by the label. . .i think any idiot can reason that the laser doesn't read pits in the damn label. . .the actual purpose of the label is to protect the data layer on top. ..that's why its easier to mess up a cd by scratching it from the top and taking off the data layer. ..you dont technically screw up the data by scratching the bottom, you just make it unreadable by the laser, becuase the beam gets distorted in the scratch. . .if you could find a way to remove the data layer from a completely scratched cd, you could replace it onto another clear cd. . .
-The darker the cd-r, the better . . .
FALSE!. . .
Reason: There is almost some truth behind this myth, in that most good cd-rs tend to be dark (i think), and they use cyanine. . .so people who got darkish cyanine cd-s had good experiences, and determined that the darkness was good. . .the color of the dye can be manipulated (theres a thread about multicolor CD-Rs floating somewhere at ars or [h]ocp). . .it is really the manufacturer's choice what freaking color their cd-r will be. . .(im pretty sure that this is how the color thing works, but please correct me if im wrong). . .
if you need reassurance, these cd-rs are decently "dark" too . . .
(if i said something grossly wrong, please correct me; im not an expert, but this is to the best of my understanding)
 
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ThisIsMatt

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I don't mean to be rude, but PNY cdrs are the biggest POS cdrs I've ever used. In fact, I've had great difficulty getting them to play in a few different brand cd players (namely Sony), and also they flake off very easy. I also have more buffer under run errors with them (get none with Imation/TDK/HP/Sony/Memorex/etc cdrs). I would give the remaining 30 or so away that I have if someone would pick them up...

EDIT: Maybe PNY changed their cdrs though, as you said they're dark. Mine were light green...
 
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VenGog

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Matt! are you still using HP/Sony burner???

Try it with Plextor(s) you can see the difference!
 
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DongTran

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almost used up a 50 pack of PNYs with my TDK velocd 12/10/32 burner. never a coaster.

on the other hand, you're right, some audio CD players (namely factory stock lower power CD players that come with cars) cannot read them.
 
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SoyBoy004

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plextor makes THE difference. any cdr would work perfectly with burn proof technology.
 
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Owned

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lol, "almost gone through a 50-pack"....

a 50 pack means nothing. Go through at least several hundred before you come to any conclusions.
 
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helpme

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pny's burn fine.... but try them after about 4-5 months :( Some of mine are having problems now.
 
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Pardus

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PNY's have given me problems on my plex12, like helpme said, they tend to fail after there in storage for a while.

My advise, get TDK or IMIATIONS, they cost a little more, but I never had one fail or not read a year later. I know some of you will say otherwise, to each his own.
 
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Pnklytnyng

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really?. ..after how many months?. . .i have a plex 12/4/32 scsi, too. . .and i wont lie, i have burned coasters, but that was becuase my sister did stupid stuff, like trying to play SBK2001 while i was burning. ..jeez. . .are you talking about the same cdrs i am?. .
i mean, i haven't had them as long, but check for me anyway please. ..do they have a capital G in the center?. . .and other letters slightly off to the right and backwards when looked at from the top?. ..i've burned some important stuff. . .so i need to know if the ones i have are unreliable. .i'd hate to have to reburn all this crap. . .


please check your PNY cd-rs if you have them. thanks. . .
 
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Pnklytnyng

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. . .BTW. ..they also have the words "NEED MEMORY?" in a tilted box on the mottom right of the cd, as well as "www.pny.com" on the bottom.

Just above the link is "High Performance" and below that "High Density" . ..below that are "TITLE" "DATE" AND "ARCHIVE NO."

3/4 of the disc is matte white, with the bottom left being completely clear. . .

PLEASE check for me. . .thanks . . .
 
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FrankRizzo

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Plextor Shmextor.... you're probably even using the ATAPI version - that's for kids!

Try a SCSI-3 Yamaha lightspeed 16x/10x/40x with 8 meg buffer & waste proof strategy (gotta love a CD writer that has a strategy :) ) It's so fast it'll suck the pants right off your Plextor :)
 
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Pnklytnyng

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hey RIZZO:
is it SCSI?. . .NO! *edit* shi+. . .it is. . .my bad *face turns red*. . .OMG. . .fine, drag me out into the street and shoot me. . .

/with "burnproof". ..that's freaking garbage. . .they up the buffer and call it burnproof. . .maybe it works. . .but its no "new technology" . . .lemme ask you something. . .since you're on IDE, how many times do you get a buffer underrun when you try to freaking open winamp and IE?. . .jeez. . .if your burning at 16x, especially, the entire process is VERY fragile. . .you transfer what?. ..say 2400k/s?. . .try and buffer that while you do anything involving the HD (unless you have a SCSI HD), and that 8MB of "burnproof" wont do JACK. . .
/me thinks IDE is for kids. . .get in the game bro. . .even though i get the slower burn with my SCSI (with a reg IDE HD), i can still listen to some mp3s and flip back and forth from ars to irc without getting underran . . .even at 12x without "burnproof technology". . .
 
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Pnklytnyng,
if u have important stuff, get the kodak golds... i use them to do backups for my work place occasionally and none of them have failed on me. some of my cds date back to 3 years ago and it's still good. it also says "lifetime warrantee" on those cds too, so i'm hoping kodak lives up to their advertisement =)
 
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FrankRizzo

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Pnklytnyng: dude man, easy killer! My previous message wasn't aimed at you specifically! It was actually intended as humor.

I am running a 16x Yamaha on a SCSI bus - I feel it's more robust than ATAPI (although the gap is certainly closing).

I have yet to burn a coaster on the Yamahopper - and I play a LOT of MP3z and visit many URLz while burning. HOWEVER I've only had it for 2 days so it's hardly proven itself.

My point was simply that you should include Yamaha when looking at high speed CD writers as they are at least on a par with Plextor. Yamaha currently has a larger buffer and higher speeds than the plextors.

oh, and the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln!
 
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billandopus

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Not to rain on your parade but:



<< the dye used for the PNY's is CYANINE! >>



is a bit misleading.

It's all about the quality of the cdr. Whether Cyanine 0,1 or 9 or Phthalocyanine dye or whatever - the end result is what matters. Your particular setup will have a large effect on how well you burn as well as the quality of the cdr. Certainly, particular differences may be predisposed to certain behaviors but ...



<< a bad dye makes a crappy cd-r >>



is inaccurate since a good factory can use one dye and type to make good cdrs and a crappy factory like Ritek, CMC Magnetics or Gigastorage can use the same dye and type to make coaster specials. To a large extent &quot;you get what you pay for&quot; is alive and well in the cdr media industry.

You have some good info and I applaud your attempt to educate others.

Regards.
 
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jaggrey

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Imation CD-Rs are off the hook. I love them. They cost alot though.

I've also found that my burner likes the darker CD-Rs as opposed to the light greenish ones. I have a Sony 10x.

One weird problem that I have is that I get STOPs in Windows 2000 when I insert a blank CD every now and then. It's always the STOP message: &quot;IRQ_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL&quot;. This used to happen intermittenly (did I spell that right) and I had no idea what the problem was, but then I noticed when I had some bluish colored blank CDs this problem did not happen once. Once I got some greenish-goldish backs then the problem has once again surfaced.

Any1 else had this problem??
 
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mrVW

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haha. The problem with a STOP is in your disk controller some type of hardware conflict. :)
 
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ThisIsMatt

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Okay, not to be over argumentative, but all of you posting how plextors rock (I know they do) are only reinforcing my point that these cdrs suck, and practically REQUIRE ;) burn proof to work successfully...and how do you know I don't have a plextor ;) Okay, okay, I don't, I have an HP - I've never had a problem with it with any other cd. These cds are just plain garbage and I wouldn't trust them with 1 bit of critical data. They DO degrade over time (very noticable after about 6 months sitting around, especially on the inner most ring where the dye isn't covered with enamel - yeah yeah, this isn't a data portion, but still...). 99% of my long term backup cdrs are Imation, and I trust all of it. I have some Imations that I've had 2+ years and work fine - no degrading. Also, Imations are expensive??? Almost all of mine have been free or near free after rebate - gotta love the imation rebates. I've got an 8x burner and burn my older 4x green/gold imations at 8x and never have a problem.

Okay, I'm done :)
 
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ThisIsMatt

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BTW, I have run winamp &amp; <*gasp*> aol </*gasp*> at the same time while burning at 8x with my HP and didn't have a problem...
 
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mrVW

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So this 50-pack for $15 deal -- I've never seen that at Best Buy they were always more than that. ANd their web site says more. This a store-specific deal? I'm in Seattle.
 
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Bought a couple spindles of PNY's last week for use in my Plextor 124S. So far, more than 50% of the top half of the 1st spindle have provided nice new coasters for me. I get an unrecoverable WRITE error when using both EZCD and Nero with them. The buffer remains above 98% right up to the unrecoverable write error. The first spindle has proven to be pure garbage when used with my Plextor.:disgust:
 
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rigmah

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I dont understand you people. The only reason that i sometimes get coasters is because i was doing something stupid like opening programs that are are demading on the CPU like playing MP3s or useing photoshop. I have owned three burners so far, a mitumi4802T, iomega 12x4x32(sanyo), and a iomega 12x10x32(plextor). I can use any type of media and they all burn fine. I dont hink i have used any other media other than compusa brand, some generic blanks, and some stuff from gigastore.

People who say that they get 50% coasters from brands like imation and TDK must have some sort of problem with there CDR. When i first had my mitsumi 4802t, it prorduced coasters like crazy, probably 50%. After browsing some forums, i was advised to turn off my DMA and alos switch my cdr to my primary ide controller instead of my UDMA66 controller. Since that day, it think i made a total of 5 coasters and thats after buring probably a couple of hundred CDRs with all three of my CDRW drives.

just my .02

rigmah
 
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rigmah

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does anyone know if this deal is still on, because i would stop there today to pick some up?
 
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