Hot? Energizer 600VA Office Battery Backup System

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Energizer 600VA Office Battery Backup System


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EDIT: UPS doesn't work, not just mine, there's another victim
 
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ready for a bunch of posts explaining why it's not hot because it's from tiger direct ?
 
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Originally posted by: acemcmac
600VA won't run my computer for more than 10 seconds
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The VA figure only tells you the maximum current that the UPS can deliver (600VA/115V=5.2A).
How long it can run has to do with its battery capacity.

The main problem with this particular UPS is its low wattage. It is only 300W. Don't forget that it needs to power your monitor too. That leaves about only 200W for your PC.
The wattage figure tells you the maximum power that the UPS can deliver.
 
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emeraldsky

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It doesn't need to power your monitor.
For short outages, of a few minutes, you can get along without the monitor.
For longer outages, you can program it to shut down your computer.

For me, the total with shipping and tax is $45.58 (shipping is $12.61). Is this still a good price, or can I do better at Staples?
 
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Navid

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Originally posted by: emeraldsky
It doesn't need to power your monitor.
For short outages, of a few minutes, you can get along without the monitor.
For longer outages, you can program it to shut down your computer.
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You are right; you can program it to turn off the PC. But, that only works in windows.

What if you are flashing the BIOS in DOS?
In that case, I would like to have the monitor powered so that I can manually power down everything after the flashing is complete.

Also, if I have an expensive LCD monitor, I wouldn't want to just power it through a power strip. It can be damaged if there is a brown out (low line voltage).
The UPS will keep it powered and I can power it down gracefully avoiding the possibility of damage.
 
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Originally posted by: Navid
The main problem with this particular UPS is its low wattage. It is only 300W. Don't forget that it needs to power your monitor too. That leaves about only 200W for your PC.
The wattage figure tells you the maximum power that the UPS can deliver.
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OK. I see your point about it being nice to have your monitor on a UPS.
My LCD monitor only needs 48 watts.
How many watts do I need for my computer? I have a 420W power supply.

 
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Originally posted by: emeraldsky
OK. I see your point about it being nice to have your monitor on a UPS.
My LCD monitor only needs 48 watts.
How many watts do I need for my computer? I have a 420W power supply.
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The maximum output power of a power supply is a function of temperature. The higher the temperature, the less power the PSU can provide
Many PSU manufacturers specify the maximum power at room temperature only (25 degrees C).

When you load your CPU or graphics card, the temperature inside your PSU is much higher than 25. It may be 40 or 50. I don't have an accurate number.

Ideally, we would know what the output power capability of your PSU was under load (350W may be?).
Then, you would want to have a UPS that could at least deliver that much power plus the power needed by anything else that you plan to plug into the UPS (monitor?). Otherwise, your system would be limited by your UPS and not your PSU.
 
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emeraldsky

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After a lot of reading and thinking, I decided to order the Energizer 600VA from TigerDirect.
It has an amazing number of features for the price.
Based strictly on appearances, I'll be surprised if it will keep my system running for much more time than it'll take to hibernate it.
I'll let you know.
 
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What computers are you guys running that this wont run your computer for 10 seconds.

I have a dual xeon rig running off of this Power supply, I have a Watt meter plugged into the wall. 100% load and a 550 watt Fortron power supply, the rig is only pulling 280 watts with a pair of 300 gig 16mb cache Maxtor SATA drives.

My prescott rig @ 3.8ghz pulls 185 watts 100% load. 205 watts with the Vapo PE @ full load running on a 350 watt fortron Aurora power supply


My sig rig pulls 334 watts full blast.

My duallie AMD rig with 2 xp 2400's @ 2.5ghz each is only pulling 210 watts and it's runnign on a fortron 300 watt power supply, I had a Antec True power that couldnt keep the12v above 11.5. where's the "TRUE". i switched it for a 300 watt fortron AURORA series, weighs 2 times as much.

I've not found a computer yet that needs a 500 watt supply.

Kill a watt meter can be found here cheap,

http://www.fuelcellstore.com/c...tem/cat=69/product=345


All of them are on different UPS's. And run fine on power outages, and enough time for me to shut them down.

THis deals isnt bad even though it's tiger direct. Tiger direct will ship you what you pay for, they just dont like to ship rebates, Save yourself the stamp and always throw a tiger direct rebate in the trash.



 
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emeraldsky

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Thanks for posting this detailed information.
After reading several threads I came to realize that my computer is likely pulling around 200W, so I should also be able to run my LCD monitor off this UPS.

Originally posted by: tedinde
What computers are you guys running that this wont run your computer for 10 seconds.

I have a dual xeon rig running off of this Power supply, I have a Watt meter plugged into the wall. 100% load and a 550 watt Fortron power supply, the rig is only pulling 280 watts with a pair of 300 gig 16mb cache Maxtor SATA drives.

My prescott rig @ 3.8ghz pulls 185 watts 100% load. 205 watts with the Vapo PE @ full load running on a 350 watt fortron Aurora power supply


My sig rig pulls 334 watts full blast.

My duallie AMD rig with 2 xp 2400's @ 2.5ghz each is only pulling 210 watts and it's runnign on a fortron 300 watt power supply, I had a Antec True power that couldnt keep the12v above 11.5. where's the "TRUE". i switched it for a 300 watt fortron AURORA series, weighs 2 times as much.

I've not found a computer yet that needs a 500 watt supply.

Kill a watt meter can be found here cheap,

http://www.fuelcellstore.com/c...tem/cat=69/product=345


All of them are on different UPS's. And run fine on power outages, and enough time for me to shut them down.

THis deals isnt bad even though it's tiger direct. Tiger direct will ship you what you pay for, they just dont like to ship rebates, Save yourself the stamp and always throw a tiger direct rebate in the trash.
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Here is my computer.

I have an APC BE500U UPS (500V/300W) and it powered my computer, monitor, and USB hub during a power outage for at least 50 seconds before I shut it down. I had SETI running and 4/6 HDs were being accessed.
 
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My Tripp-Lite's UPS battery must be shot to heck then, it's rated at either 450 or 500VA, ~300W (I think). I used to be able to use it to power my main rig and a secondary computer (with the secondary monitor not on UPS), but now just powering my main rig, it didn't hold it up for more than about 1.5min when we lost power recently.

Not a bad price for this UPS, not sure about Energizer quality, never used them before and don't know much about them.

Microcenter had a Conext (re-badged APC unit), 900VA, with AVR (line-interactive, I think), for only $65! That one looked pretty beefy, and teh AVR feature will help protect your components during a brown-out/low-voltage situation, by partially drawing from the battery. Most switching UPS will not do that.

Edit: Microcenter product link
Retail store sale flyer (click "enlarge", look in the bottom-right corner of the image.)

CompUSA also carries the same product, for $90. link So you could probably pricematch to Microcenter as well.

Apologies to the OP, didn't really mean to thread-jack, a 600VA UPS for $30 is a scortching deal, no question. But for someone that either needs a more powerful UPS, or someone that doesn't like T-D, this Conext model (with AVR), seems to be the next-best deal around.

Wow, after reading the detailed product description, the Energizer does claim to have line-interactive AVR, for low/high voltage conditions! Along with user-replaceable batteries, USB icomms interface, and telco line protection. I wonder, too... could that actually be a re-badged/OEM'ed version of the similar APC unit here ? That would indeed be quite a hot deal.
 
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According to the specs at TigerDirect, the Energizer has Automatic Voltage Regulation.

I just checked microcenter, and I didn't see any Conext UPS. They have APC, but those aren't cheap.
They have Belkin, but many people have questioned the quality of Belkin UPS.
 
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Originally posted by: emeraldsky
According to the specs at TigerDirect, the Energizer has Automatic Voltage Regulation.
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That's surprising, actually, usually only the higher-end models have that.

I found out something else, this Energizer UPS has Linux support! That's a nice little extra feature.

Darn, I wonder how much Tiger would slap on for shipping a UPS.. I already ordered a full-tower case earlier this week, and it was ~$15 just for shipping. No doubt a heavy UPS would have similar shipping charges, so you're looking at much closer to $50 for this item. A 900VA APC unit with AVR for $65 + tax + gas, in comparison, seems like a tiny bit better deal, for me, only bexause I have a Microcenter approx 1hr. away.
If only I had know about this before I had ordered my case from TD, I probably would have picked this up too.

OTOH, you could pick up *two* of them, and then run the computer off of one, and monitor + aux devices off of another. Hmm.

Edit:Nevermind, I had a link to the wrong product on Amazon, they had the 450VA model for $35/free ship, but the 600VA model was $30, but was actually T-D selling it through Amazon. The review comments on the 450VA model were representative of someone that had chosen an underspecced Ups device, so they probably don't apply generally to the 600VA model, which had no comments at all on Amazon. My apologies for the confusion and the wrong link initially.
 
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I picked up a Cyber Power 725SL (400 watts) from BB 1/23/05. Doesn't have AVR (voltage regulation) but the price was right. $89.99 - $15 BB instant rebate - $25 mail in rebate = $49.99. 3 year warranty on unit and battery.

Initially I was going to go with the trade-in program APC offers for my OFFICE 280 that lasted only 2 years, but the discounted price of a new unit + shipping charges and tax are basically the same price as buying a brand new APC at a retailer.
 
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emeraldsky

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For me, the total with shipping and tax is $45.58 for the Energizer from TigerDirect
Shipping is $12.61
 
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hrmm.. received mine yesterday. after charging it for 15+ hours.. it still fails to turn on, called customer service
they were really nice about it, scheduled a UPS pickup and they say they'll give me an upgraded one.. will see what happens
 
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emeraldsky

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Got mine yesterday too. It wouldn't even turn on. I removed the battery and charged it for a while with an onboard charger. After that it turned on, but it won't hold a charge. A 100 watt light bulb kills it in under 2 seconds.
Sent an email this morning but haven't heard back yet.
 
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emeraldsky

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Originally posted by: kkcleung
hrmm.. received mine yesterday. after charging it for 15+ hours.. it still fails to turn on, called customer service
they were really nice about it, scheduled a UPS pickup and they say they'll give me an upgraded one.. will see what happens
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Not sure whether you called TigerDirect or EnergizerUPS.

TigerDirect offered to let me upgrade at my expense to another unit, and they will cover shipping in both directions. That's nice of them, but I hadn't planned to spend so much money on this item. I asked if they could just give me a credit and let me buy a new battery, but they said they don't that.

So I called EnergizerUPS and they agreed to upgrade me to a 650VA at no cost, and they will have UPS pick up the defective unit. Heck, all they had to do was send me a new battery. EnergizerUPS is a great company to deal with.

The 650VA costs $70 plus shipping at TigerDirect.
 
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