Hospitals Ease Cellphone Bans

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Hospitals Ease Cellphone Bans
Fears Wane That the Devices Interfere With Equipment; Echoes of the Airline Debate

By SARAH RUBENSTEIN, The Wall Street Journal

(Jan. 18) -- As the Federal Communications Commission revisits rules against cellphone use on airplanes, hospitals are rethinking their own policies on the devices.

Many are loosening restrictions that have become increasingly difficult to enforce anyway. New York-Presbyterian Hospital now allows cellphones in patient rooms but not intensive-care units, operating rooms or procedure rooms. St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital in Houston last fall relaxed its ban on cellphones, BlackBerries and other wireless gadgets, allowing patients to use them in common areas such as lobbies, waiting rooms and the cafeteria, but not in areas where patients are getting medical care.

Other hospitals that have scaled back their rules in recent months include Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, Holyoke Medical Center in Holyoke, Mass., and Intermountain Health Care, a system of 21 hospitals in Utah and Idaho. Taking things a step further, Boston's Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center -- which relaxed its cellphone ban in 2001 -- recently started a policy of purchasing cellphones for its interns.

Policies against cellphone use in hospitals largely began in the 1990s, as the devices became more popular and hospitals grew concerned about interfering with vital medical equipment such as cardiac monitors. The bans mirrored restrictions by the FCC and Federal Aviation Administration on the use of cellphones on airplanes, which emerged out of fear that the gadgets could interfere with flight communications.

But the issue of whether and how wireless devices affect other electronic equipment is unresolved. Research on the subject is limited, though there is growing evidence that today's lower-power, digital cellphones aren't as likely as older models to be a problem for medical equipment, especially if they aren't in close proximity. In December, the FCC initiated a study into possibly easing its ban on cellphones on planes.

In many respects, disobedience has created built-in experiments about cellphone safety. "If you wander through hospitals, you'll see people on cellphones," says Robert Kelly, chief operating officer for New York-Presbyterian Hospital at the Columbia University Medical Center. "You certainly have not seen, in the literature, hundreds or thousands of deaths or complications that go back to cellphones."

Just as travelers have pressed for change on the airline front, the moves by hospitals come amid pressure from patients and doctors who want to be able to use their phones. The hospitals say that in allowing cellphone use at least in some circumstances, they are recognizing the reality of how cellphones are used today, with patients and visitors routinely flouting broad bans. Many note that they still maintain limits on using the devices in highly sensitive areas such as ICUs.

Once some hospitals began allowing cellphone use, "everyone else was the bad guy," says Mike Reno, vice president of facilities and support services at Houston's St. Luke's Episcopal.

When Alexandra Walko had her first baby at Greenwich Hospital in Connecticut in 2002, she says she was eager to reach 20 friends and family members. So she and her husband did what was easiest: They dialed their cellphones, even though the hospital's policy against the practice was clearly posted. "I think I was self-conscious when nurses were in there," says Mrs. Walko, a sales manager for a consulting firm.

There are "only so many people" to enforce the rules, says Greenwich Hospital spokesman George Pawlush. "We do what we can to make sure that we abide by the policy."

Many hospitals such as Greenwich still have tight cellphone regulations. Nobody can be absolutely certain a cellphone never will interfere with medical devices, especially when it comes to older phones and equipment, communications experts say. The Food and Drug Administration and FCC leave the decisions up to hospitals, but the FDA gave some words of caution in a 2002 bulletin: Though patient injuries from cellphones are relatively rare, "in certain situations medical devices may be susceptible to potentially serious problems."

Cellphone-related incidents in the past helped make the case for prohibitions. In one incident in the mid-'90s, an Intermountain Health Care patient was being transported from one hospital to another and an ambulance crew member used a cellphone, says Michael Rawson, corporate director of safety, security and environmental health for the hospital chain. All of the infusion pumps hooked up to the patient turned off, he says. "They had to stop the ambulance and restart the stuff." The patient was fine in the end, hospital officials recall.

Now most cellphones are digital and radiate less power, and medical technology typically operates at different frequencies, says Joy Laskar, director of the Georgia Electronic Design Center at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta. Interference is "very unlikely," he says. Many hospitals that have relaxed their bans say they tested cellphones on site before changing the rules.

The Mayo Clinic in a 2001 study tested several cellphones near cardiopulmonary equipment, and some interference occurred in seven of the 17 medical devices tested. Researchers found that 7% of the tests revealed incidents that were "clinically important," and the most problematic cases occurred when the phones were six to 33 inches from the equipment.

Lingering fears of such problems have led hospitals to create sometimes byzantine rules on cellphone use. Texas Children's Hospital until last summer had a simple ban on cellphone use. Now, the hospital has a list of more than 170 models of phones and other wireless devices such as BlackBerries that either are or aren't "hospital acceptable." Texas Children's also now has a rule that prohibits phones within a three-foot radius of medical devices. They aren't allowed at all in operating rooms and intensive-care units.

Enforcement is a challenge, says David Finn, the hospital's chief information officer. "Generally, unless someone is near monitors, we don't really try to deal with them," he says.

On the flip side, courtesy issues are a growing concern. At Holyoke Medical Center, which eased its restrictions in September, the hospital added a rule prohibiting the use of any phones' camera functions. "The real issue now is patient privacy," says Clark A. Fenn, vice president of inpatient services.

Hospitals are inherently stressful environments, and cellphone use by others has the potential to fray nerves, hospital administrators say. Nurses at Holyoke and many other hospitals also are instructed to ask noisy talkers to keep it down.

And then there is the pesky issue of camera phones. St. Luke's Episcopal in Houston says its new policy states that camera-phone users must comply with privacy rules for photography, which require a patient's written consent for a photo.

 

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I work in a hospital and use one alot, but I also know evertime ti rings i can see the interference in the polygraph near me.
safe for most areas, but they are right to limit them in the OR/ICU and other areas with a lot of sensitive monitoring equipment
 

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Honestly, if I have just suffered a gun shot wound and I hear some fvker letting his Nextel Fire Alarm going off repeatedly as if he suffers from a coronary infection that affects his hearing, I will inflict damage on their person..... even if I have to drag my decomposing body, the IV machine, the nurse, and a variety of family members along for the ride:|

Excuse me...phew...

 

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Originally posted by: mcveigh
I work in a hospital and use one alot, but I also know evertime ti rings i can see the interference in the polygraph near me.
safe for most areas, but they are right to limit them in the OR/ICU and other areas with a lot of sensitive monitoring equipment

When my mother was ill, I was physically threatened (A really big male nurse who was over reacting) and told to leave the hospital cafeteria for using my mobile phone.

This area is at least 50 yards from any critical area.

I agree that they shouldn't be used RIGHT NEXT to sensitive equipment. But a buffer of just a few feet or a wall makes all the difference.

This hype is much like the "cell phones cause gas stations to explode" myth.
 

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Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
 

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Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.
 

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?
 

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Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?
OMGWTFNOICAN'T.

What are you, 14? :roll:
 

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Maybe the justification is in error, but I say hospitals have the right to limit cell phone use. I see how people mindlessly wander around supermarkets and I understand why that would not be wanted in a health institution.

A compromise would be to allow cell phones to be turned on and used in clearly marked areas ONLY.

The hospital would have the right to eject violators if they decide to.
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Maybe the justification is in error, but I say hospitals have the right to limit cell phone use. I see how people mindlessly wander around supermarkets and I understand why that would not be wanted in a health institution.

A compromise would be to allow cell phones to be turned on and used in clearly marked areas ONLY.

The hospital would have the right to eject violators if they decide to.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel. Designate a "talking lobby" or something. There's a professional courtesty that is grossly abscent in a large majority of cell phone owners.
 

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Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:

:confused:

You've never had a loved one in the hospital and had other people not there wanting to know the latest on their condition?

A lot of waiting rooms have pay phones in them. When I've been in the waiting rooms, these phones are usually ringing at least once every 5 minutes from someone wanting a status update.
 

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?
OMGWTFNOICAN'T.

What are you, 14? :roll:

Nope I'm a courteous adult who knows when it is appropriate to use a cell phone.
;)
 

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Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?
OMGWTFNOICAN'T.

What are you, 14? :roll:

Nope I'm a courteous adult who knows when it is appropriate to use a cell phone.
;)
If you were a courteous adult, you'd think.....then post. Don't make me spell out why your post was completely stupid.

 

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Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?

Obviously you don't have kids.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?

Obviously you don't have kids.
Ya think?
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: isasir
You've never had a loved one in the hospital and had other people not there wanting to know the latest on their condition?

and yet, somehow, I'm still alive.

It'll teach them patience.
 

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: isasir
You've never had a loved one in the hospital and had other people not there wanting to know the latest on their condition?

and yet, somehow, I'm still alive.

It'll teach them patience.


Well like my post said, people still call now even with the cell phone ban. They just call the pay phone in the waiting room, as opposed to a cell phone. Or they know that they'll just have to wait until the person visiting the patient goes outside.

The point is, if the reason they banned cell phones in hospitals in the first place wasn't a valid reason, then I'd welcome hospitals allowing use of cell phones, at least in designated areas.
 

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I've seen the interference that even just multiple pieces of medical equipment can cause. And I've seen many a cell phone cause a stereo to buzz just before it rings. I definately don't want them near any operating rooms.
 

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?
OMGWTFNOICAN'T.

What are you, 14? :roll:

Nope I'm a courteous adult who knows when it is appropriate to use a cell phone.
;)
If you were a courteous adult, you'd think.....then post. Don't make me spell out why your post was completely stupid.

I'm thinking that a courteous adult would justify his point instead of resorting to calling someone stupid.
What's the benefit of calling someone immediately? Why can't it wait just a couple minutes? Is someone going to die because your answer is delayed?


Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?

Obviously you don't have kids.

I fail to see how that statement is relevant to having to walk outside to use a cell phone, if you are indicating that if I had a child in the hospital and I had the choice of being notified now versus 20 minutes from now that my child underwent a surgery and is doing alright in order to be courteous to others I would choose the latter.




 

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Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Oakenfold
Seriously is it that hard to keep your phone off until you are outside of the hospital?
:confused:
If you're in because you've just had a kid, the last thing you want/can do is walk all the way outside to make/receive a phone call.

So it can't wait to call your relatives? They just have to know right then?
OMGWTFNOICAN'T.

What are you, 14? :roll:

Nope I'm a courteous adult who knows when it is appropriate to use a cell phone.
;)
If you were a courteous adult, you'd think.....then post. Don't make me spell out why your post was completely stupid.

I'm thinking that a courteous adult would justify his point instead of resorting to calling someone stupid.
What's the benefit of calling someone immediately? Why can't it wait just a couple minutes? Is someone going to die because your answer is delayed?
1) It's probably the largest life-event anyone ever experiences. You want to tell everyone immediately, and they want to know ASAP.

2) After the fact, you will be barraged with calls. If the woman giving birth had a C-section, she CAN'T WALK so you're probably going to take/make such calls in your room. Not outside. Plus, there's that whole infant thing to look after who also CAN'T LEAVE THE MATERNITY WARD for a few days.

Like I said, think, then post. If you don't know wtf you're talking about (which you don't) just opt not to post next time. Thanks.