Hosed at the gas pump -- by your debit card

Twista

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Pretty scary. I use my card @ the gas station always.

Hosed at the gas pump -- by your debit card
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Banking/Betterbanking/P118381.asp?GT1=7158]MSN Article[/URL]

If you ever use your debit card to pay at the pump, watch out: Did you know that every time you top off the tank, a chunk of your checking account can be blocked -- sometimes for days, with the potential to cause you all sorts of financial headaches and bounced checks?

That?s what happened to Jessica Hathaway, a state employee from Allentown, Pa. Earlier this year Hathaway stopped during her commute to fill up her car at Rauch?s Mini Mart, a Shell station. She bought $22.29 worth of gas using her debit card.

The next day Hathaway balanced her checkbook using her bank?s telephone service -- and something didn?t add up. The bank said that she?d made two purchases the previous morning: one for the $22.29 and one for $75.

Trouble is, she?d only bought the gas.

Finally Hathaway called the service station, and an attendant explained to her what few people know.

How your money gets frozen

If you use your debit card at a pump that does not require a PIN, the station regularly will block out an amount -- often $50 or $75 -- on your card.

That amount doesn't ?un-block? as you drive away. Instead, the hold remains until that evening, and sometimes for up to several days, until the station does a ?batch? transaction, according to the U.S. Public Interest Research Group.

Each big oil company has a different policy:

* Shell places a $75 hold for gas purchases, and it can stay in place for as long as three business days.

* British Petroleum places a $75 hold on accounts when customers use debit or credit cards, but the hold is usually lifted after about two hours, said spokeswoman Sarah Howell. The same policy applies at its Amoco and Arco stations, Howell said.

* Chevron applies only a $1 hold to debit cards, to ensure that a card is active, says a spokeswoman.

The reasoning behind this policy is that oil companies don?t know how much gas you?re about to pump -- only PIN-based debit transactions are processed immediately -- and so they earmark a certain amount of your money. ?We want to make sure that we?re protected, that we get payment for the gasoline,? says BP?s Howell.

This general idea isn?t new. Credit-card companies have done it for a long time. (Think of when you rent a hotel room or a car, and the attendant runs your card upon your arrival to ensure you can pay for it.) It?s less of an issue with credit-card owners, however, because you?re usually told that it?s happening and you?re probably not flirting with your credit limits.

If a company puts a chunk of dough in your checking account off-limits without your knowledge, however, it can cause real migraines.

Consumer advocates say beware

Banks give conflicting accounts about what this means to you, the consumer.

Bank of America says that users of its debit cards won?t experience bounced checks if debit-card blocks disappear on the same day as they?re put in place. A spokeswoman for Wells Fargo agreed.

But the Wells Fargo spokeswoman, Linadria Porter, conceded things can get a little stickier if the block sticks for more than a day. ?There is the possibility that you could bounce a check,? she says. If a customer calls and points out what happened, ?most of the time we will give them back those fees,? says Porter -- but not always, she adds.

Consumer advocates say when in doubt, fear the worst.

?If there?s a block on your account and you have checks come in against your block, you could suffer bounced-check fees,? says Edmund Mierzwinski, consumer program director for the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, who says his and other consumer groups have received complaints.

It?s also unclear how off-limits your money is in other ways.

?Is the money technically unavailable? Yes,? says Chet Bridger, a spokesman for Buffalo, N.Y.-based M&T Bank, Hathaway?s bank. In other words, if Hathaway had gone to an ATM, she might not have been able to withdraw the cash, Bridger says.

The problem wouldn?t be so nettlesome if the blocks disappeared within even a few hours. But the $75 hold that appeared on Hathaway?s account on a Friday morning didn?t disappear until the following Tuesday -- five days later.

?I was just fortunate that I realized it, because if I had gone grocery shopping that weekend I would have been in the negative on my account,? she says. She thinks of the penalty fees she might have racked up. ?And who would have paid then?? she muses. ?Shell??

?What really burned me up is not so much the financial aspect, but they didn?t ask permission,? she adds. ?I wasn?t informed.?

Changing the policy?

Hathaway has complained to the Pennsylvania Department of Banking and to the Pennsylvania Attorney General?s Office, and to the mini-mart owner. To no avail, she says.

In fact, the policy doesn?t show much sign of changing soon, despite some legal support for consumers. In 2002, California Attorney General Bill Lockyer issued an opinion that said that gas stations need to tell customers about the debit-hold policy.

?If the hold extends beyond the time of purchase and covers an amount greater than the amount of purchase, then the hold has to be disclosed to the consumer,? says a spokesman, Tom Dresslar, summarizing the opinion.

Even so, Dresslar said his office was not actively pursuing any action against oil companies, and that he was not aware of any barrage of complaints by consumers.

How to protect yourself

How can you protect yourself at the filling station? Station owners and consumer advocates offer this advice:

* If you must use a debit card, pay inside where you can use your PIN number; PIN-based transactions are registered immediately.

* If you pay at the pump, use a credit card.

* Oil companies' proprietary charge cards often don?t have any kind of block feature on them, but not always. Chevron, for example, briefly blocks out $18.

* Good old cash is still good -- and many gas stations, tired of paying high credit-card fees, now give a discount of up to a dime a gallon for cash. Look for such deals.

Finally, says Dennis DeCota, executive director of California Service Station & Automotive Repair Association, don?t blame the gas station owners for this policy.

DeCota, who has owned a 76 gas station in San Anselmo for 28 years, says he has seen the contracts between service-station owners and oil companies, and says that big oil companies set the amount of the hold, and their merchant banks set the duration.

If DeCota had his druthers, everyone would come inside to pay, where they?re more likely to buy a bag of Corn-Nuts and a Coke with their fill-up.
 

Baked

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Who the F uses a debit card to pay for gas when you can get cash back w/ a credit card. :confused:
 

Amused

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Never bothered me. And I pay at the pump at Shell all the time. Even for 8-12 dollar bike fillups.
 

Shawn

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I thought everyone knew this. That is what that do with credit cards so it makes sence that the same thing would occur with debit cards too.
 

Kalvin00

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Originally posted by: Amused
Never bothered me. And I pay at the pump at Shell all the time. Even for 8-12 dollar bike fillups.

Same. I've only ever seen $1 memo-posted to my account after filling up.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: Amused
Never bothered me. And I pay at the pump at Shell all the time. Even for 8-12 dollar bike fillups.

Same. I've only ever seen $1 memo-posted to my account after filling up.

Yep. National City has been very good in not blocking funds when venders do security blocks. They seem to hold them as pending for days rather than count them against my available funds.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: mzkhadir
One way this wont happen is to prepay inside.

Yes, because we are all so good at using our psychic ability to know exactly how much gas it take to fill up each time.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: Baked
Who the F uses a debit card to pay for gas when you can get cash back w/ a credit card. :confused:

Those of us that have insufficient credit and circumstances such that nobody is willing to open a credit line? :p

Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: Amused
Never bothered me. And I pay at the pump at Shell all the time. Even for 8-12 dollar bike fillups.

Same. I've only ever seen $1 memo-posted to my account after filling up.

Yep. National City has been very good in not blocking funds when venders do security blocks. They seem to hold them as pending for days rather than count them against my available funds.

I always use my debit card... have done so at fueling stations all over the Mid-West and Mid-Atlantic, and I've probably been to every kind major fuel chain I've come across. I also check my account online, nightly... I've never seen a charge greater than what my actual fuel purchase was, even as pending or etc. I know that it's possible, and it's policy that $x funds are held, but for some reason, that's not what I see happen.
 

Twista

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^^ My account never reflects any gas charge till like a week :/ For all the gas stations i go to and it sucks. Just have to keep track of the receipts on each debit fill up.
 

Old Hippie

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Good old cash is still good -- and many gas stations, tired of paying high credit-card fees, now give a discount of up to a dime a gallon for cash.
I didn't think that was legal. I thought is was illegal to charge different prices for different payment methods.
 

CRXican

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I work at a credit union and have never heard of this. I always use my debit card for gas but as a credit card, no pin.

 

Yossarian

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Keep more than $12 in your checking account and you won't have this problem even with a debit card. But debit cards suck anyway.
 

Thegonagle

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Old news to me. The credit/debit approval process puts a hold on funds in an amount that may or may not equal the final total of the transaction. Pretty basic and easy to understand once you know that there are two stages (approval, then final payment) for every transaction.
 

dxkj

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Who the F uses a debit card to pay for gas when you can get like 5% back with a credit card :-/

What, gas prices are $3.00 a gallon? I only pay $2.85
 

Thegonagle

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Originally posted by: preslove
Does this affect visa check cards?

Precisely.

The "block," or approval, usually disappears the same day the final tranaction posts, but sometimes it lingers a day or two extra, which causes some banks to incorrectly bounce some customers checks, or incorrectly prevent them from withdrawing cash.
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
One way this wont happen is to prepay inside.

Yes, because we are all so good at using our psychic ability to know exactly how much gas it take to fill up each time.

WTF is wrong with filling up, then going in to pay? :confused:

not so much directed as you, since you're going on the prepaid question... just wondering why prepaid?
 

gsethi

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Originally posted by: Old Hippie
Good old cash is still good -- and many gas stations, tired of paying high credit-card fees, now give a discount of up to a dime a gallon for cash.
I didn't think that was legal. I thought is was illegal to charge different prices for different payment methods.


they are NOT charging differnt prices for differnt payment methods. They are giving a DISCOUNT to cash customers.
so it is fine

Both the scenarios below are LEGAL.

1) This follows Merchant rules for credit cards.
GAS: $3.00 / gallion
10c/gal DISCOUNT when paid with CASH.

This is BREAKING the merchant rules (again, NOT ILLEGAL):
GAS: $3.00 / gallon (Credit Card)
GAS: $2.90 / gallon (CASH only)

Laws and Rules (merchant rules in this case) are different ;)
 

Old Hippie

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Laws and Rules (merchant rules in this case) are different
Ah-Ha, I see how they're working it now. I thought I remembered when the cash and credit card prices were different at the pump and merchants were forced to make them the same price. It was when CCs were in an early stage and the CC companies complained that they were at a disadvantage because of the fees they charged.
Thanks for the info.
 

Eos

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Originally posted by: Yossarian
Keep more than $12 in your checking account and you won't have this problem even with a debit card. But debit cards suck anyway.

Eh? :confused:
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
One way this wont happen is to prepay inside.

Yes, because we are all so good at using our psychic ability to know exactly how much gas it take to fill up each time.

WTF is wrong with filling up, then going in to pay? :confused:

not so much directed as you, since you're going on the prepaid question... just wondering why prepaid?

In many major cities (and most of CA) you cannot fill up before paying. You must pre-pay or pay at the pump at ALL the stations.
 

Baked

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
One way this wont happen is to prepay inside.

Yes, because we are all so good at using our psychic ability to know exactly how much gas it take to fill up each time.

WTF is wrong with filling up, then going in to pay? :confused:

not so much directed as you, since you're going on the prepaid question... just wondering why prepaid?

'Cause people will drive off after they fill up their tank w/o paying.