Horribly misleading attack ad in Illinois Governor race

[nick1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr1E71eoq3Q&feature=related

ROFL.


So they lead the attack ad by showing an MP5, claiming it's semi-automatic...even though the MP5 is fully auto, an illegal weapon for general public to begin with...rendering it moot to even show.

But hey, I guess its scary looking and will strike fear into the hears of the populace and make them vote for Pat Quinn.

Oh, and by the way, Bill Brady opposes banning guns on campuses? You mean like how NIU banned guns on campus Quinn? How did that one work out?

Glad this clown is getting slammed in the polls, he is toast.

 

[misle]

I wonder how many murders were committed in Illinois with an MP5?

Let's assume it is an HK94 (semi-auto version of the MP5), I wonder how many murders were committed with it in Illinois. By the way, the HK94 costs ~$2,500.

 

[MotF Bane]

Standard for politicians - they don't know much about guns, except that they're EVIIILLL!

 

[nick1985]

I wonder how many murders were committed in Illinois with an MP5?

Let's assume it is an HK94 (semi-auto version of the MP5), I wonder how many murders were committed with it in Illinois. By the way, the HK94 costs ~$2,500.

Im going to guess somewhere between -1 and 1

 

[Schadenfroh]

I wonder how many murders were committed in Illinois with an MP5?.

Let us extend that, I wonder how many murders were committed in Illinois with any firearm other than handguns and, to a lesser extent, (Sawed-off) shotguns.

 

[nick1985]

Let us extend that, I wonder how many murders were committed in Illinois with any firearm other than handguns and, to a lesser extent, (Sawed-off) shotguns.

Let us extend that, I wonder how many murders were committed in Illinois with LEGALLY purchased handguns.

 

[ShawnD1]

Wait so the political ad says the guy is against students being able to go on a school shooting rampage against unarmed citizens, and they're saying it like it's a bad thing?

Yep, Columbine was awesome. We need to make sure there's nobody in the entire school who can take them out. Just give armed criminals 100% control of the situation.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Banning guns for law abiding citizens as a way to keep illegal arms out of the hands of criminals is just so true? Sure. Sure. Sure.

 

[nick1985]

Bill Brady is for CCW. Illinois is one of 2 states where our constitutional right to bear arms is denied. It is a no-issue state for CCW.

Bill Brady wants to bring CCW to Illinois. That doesn't mean rifles on campus, since rifles cannot be concealed. Pat Quinn, who claims he supports the 2nd amendment, is against CCW and is trying to portray Bill Brady as a psycho.

 

[Rainsford]

Bill Brady is for CCW. Illinois is one of 2 states where our constitutional right to bear arms is denied. It is a no-issue state for CCW.

Bill Brady wants to bring CCW to Illinois. That doesn't mean rifles on campus, since rifles cannot be concealed. Pat Quinn, who claims he supports the 2nd amendment, is against CCW and is trying to portray Bill Brady as a psycho.

I never quite got how people read CCW into the 2nd amendment. Carrying, sure. But concealing weapons sounds like a different issue to me.

 

[Rainsford]

Also, topic aside, I have to say I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you to hear that there is a misleading attack ad out there. Normally attack ads are so fair and evenhanded, and would never stoop so low as to intentionally mislead the viewers.

 

[Lemon law]

Getting back to this horribly misleading ad issue, it pales in comparison to the Willie Horton ad and the horribly misleading politics of the GOP and tea baggers.

Advertisements are made to appeal to raw emotion and not facts, all sides use them, and I am certainly defending the use of this one.

But when the mid terms elections go into the final stretch, we will see far worse ads
used by all sides. Will our OP Nick1985 scream foul equally loudly when the GOP and tea baggers use similar and worse attack ads?

 

[ShawnD1]

I never quite got how people read CCW into the 2nd amendment. Carrying, sure. But concealing weapons sounds like a different issue to me.

It's 2nd amendment with added security. If your gun is out in the open, you're the first guy to be shot during an armed robbery.

 

[irishScott]

It's 2nd amendment with added security. If your gun is out in the open, you're the first guy to be shot during an armed robbery.

Not to mention if you carry openly you scare morons like the people who made this ad.

 

[Rainsford]

It's 2nd amendment with added security. If your gun is out in the open, you're the first guy to be shot during an armed robbery.

I'm not saying concealed carry is BAD (in fact it seems like a better idea than open carry in many ways), but I'm not sure it's a 2nd amendment issue.

 

[ShawnD1]

Not to mention if you carry openly you scare morons like the people who made this ad.

It might also scare other people who are carrying guns. Even if I were carrying a gun, I would be just a bit freaked out to know other people in the room have guns out in the open. Like why are they showing it off? Thug life? Is he going to rob this place?

Thug life!

 

[nick1985]

I'm not saying concealed carry is BAD (in fact it seems like a better idea than open carry in many ways), but I'm not sure it's a 2nd amendment issue.

You think being disallowed the bearing of arms is not infringing on my right to bear arms?

I'm not sure I follow

 

[Infohawk]

I am fine with anyone wearing these. What's the issue?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's long past time that political ads should be run by something like factcheck before they are allowed to run. As dishonest as politicians are by nature, I don't see we should allow things to be even worse by allowing false advertising. If it can't be done with a car, it certainly shouldn't be permitted when pitching a candidate.

 

[Jhhnn]

The guarantee of free speech doesn't mean it has to be honest. Modern politics isn't based on free speech, anyway, but on the principle that you get all the free speech you can pay to have broadcast so other people can hear it...

Ask the Koch Bros, or Richard Scaife, or the new kid on the block, Soros...

 

[JSt0rm]

show business

 

[irishScott]

It might also scare other people who are carrying guns. Even if I were carrying a gun, I would be just a bit freaked out to know other people in the room have guns out in the open. Like why are they showing it off? Thug life? Is he going to rob this place?

Thug life!

Yeah and with respect, people like you are part of the problem. If a guy's planning to rob the place, last thing he wants is people seeing his weapon before he draws it and he'll conceal it, legal or not. As for "thug life", sure that might apply to some guys but I know a few guys who carry openly because, in my area, they have no other choice; and they'd rather carry than not.

If I saw someone carrying openly, barring his looking like a gangbanger or something I'd think "huh, guy likes to carry his gun. Cool." Hell I'd all but salute the guy. For the record, my judgment of whether a person is a gangbanger or not is independent of whether or not they're carrying a weapon.

Carrying a gun, openly or not, is a responsibility. Anyone willing to take on that responsibility and the potential abuse that comes with it goes up a few notches in my eyes. Now if the guy's obviously showing it off, opinion correspondingly goes down a few notches.

 

[Rainsford]

You think being disallowed the bearing of arms is not infringing on my right to bear arms?

I'm not sure I follow

Well that's not at all what I said in my post, but I'll try again...

The right to bear arms does NOT (in my mind at least) specifically include the right to carry them in a concealed fashion. Being able to carry a weapon can arguably be considered a 2nd amendment right, being able to carry a CONCEALED weapon isn't necessarily the same thing.

 

[nick1985]

The right to bear arms does NOT (in my mind at least) specifically include the right to carry them in a concealed fashion. Being able to carry a weapon can arguably be considered a 2nd amendment right, being able to carry a CONCEALED weapon isn't necessarily the same thing.

Either way, I am not allowed to do either in this state.

 

[Rainsford]

Either way, I am not allowed to do either in this state.

Fair enough...and while I think you can make a decent 2nd amendment argument about it, I'm kind of conflicted about the issue (which is why attack ads like this work, obviously). To non-gun enthusiast types, WANTING to walk around armed at all times is "odd", and that mistrust can be twisted by people wanting to score cheap political points. It doesn't help that pro-gun rights people do virtually nothing to reach out to folks who aren't already NRA types.