Hopefully, the detente with Russia puts Edward Snowden in play

[Dari]

Since Obama didn't have the balls to call in a wetwork operation, maybe the Russians can hand him to us, neatly gift-wrapped. Once his trial is over and he's found guilty, he can be taken out back and shot for all the damage he's caused. It'd be even better if he was given a 5 minute head start and allowed to run into the woods. Visions of this traitor being chased by bullets gets me all hot-n-bothered. The first hunter that finds him can let their gun explode and eviscerate that smug smile of his.

 

[m8d]

Do you really think Russians are going to hand him over?

 

[repoman0]

You sound like a serial killer. There must be better ways to spend your time than fantasizing about killing people with your big bad gun.

 

[hal2kilo]

Will be surprised if Trump doesn't give him a ticker tape parade. Just to show how much distain he has for our own intelligence agencies. You got to trust Russia first right.

 

[MrSquished]

Good for Snowden. He revealed how much actual spying was on of Americans in a breadth and width that was massive. That's what we call a positive whistleblower

My guess is the OP doesn't care so much about the CIA conclusion that the election was influenced by Russians

 

[kage69]

Since Obama didn't have the balls to call in a wetwork operation, maybe the Russians can hand him to us, neatly gift-wrapped. Once his trial is over and he's found guilty, he can be taken out back and shot for all the damage he's caused. It'd be even better if he was given a 5 minute head start and allowed to run into the woods. Visions of this traitor being chased by bullets gets me all hot-n-bothered. The first hunter that finds him can let their gun explode and eviscerate that smug smile of his.

Someone's been hitting the Bourne movies a little too hard lately. Yeah, Pakistan...Russia...pretty much the same thing, that pussy! lol

I hope for your sake you are both smarter and less unhinged in real life.

 

[kage69]

Good for Snowden. He revealed how much actual spying was on of Americans in a breadth and width that was massive. That's what we call a positive whistleblower

My guess is the OP doesn't care so much about the CIA conclusion that the election was influenced by Russians

I disagree.

A "positive" whistleblower would have limited the scope to domestic programs. Divulging America's capabilities, various tactics, and some embarrassing details wrt to the world stage hurt our interests. Spying on foreign nations is entirely appropriate, the same cannot be said of law-abiding American citizens.

 

[Dari]

Someone's been hitting the Bourne movies a little too hard lately. Yeah, Pakistan...Russia...pretty much the same thing, that pussy! lol

I hope for your sake you are both smarter and less unhinged in real life.

Never seen any of those movies. Not sure what it has to do with what I posted unless you're talking about a real-life Surviving the Game. That movie I did enjoy. Seriously though, Snowden doesn't just deserve capital punishment, he deserves to be hunted. A needle would be too kind. I know of good men that have had their careers destroyed because of this coward.

 

[bshole]

From wiki:

In January 2014, Snowden said his "breaking point" was "seeing the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress."[48] This referred to testimony on March 12, 2013—three months after Snowden first sought to share thousands of NSA documents with Greenwald,[88] and nine months after the NSA says Snowden made his first illegal downloads during the summer of 2012[4]—in which Clapper denied to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that the NSA wittingly collects data on millions of Americans.[163] Snowden said, "There's no saving an intelligence community that believes it can lie to the public and the legislators who need to be able to trust it and regulate its actions.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's sad when true patriots are deemed cowards by people who refuse to see the truth

 

[PottedMeat]

I know of good men that have had their careers destroyed because of this coward.

people that chose to do illegal shit?

 

[Commodus]

Never seen any of those movies. Not sure what it has to do with what I posted unless you're talking about a real-life Surviving the Game. That movie I did enjoy. Seriously though, Snowden doesn't just deserve capital punishment, he deserves to be hunted. A needle would be too kind. I know of good men that have had their careers destroyed because of this coward.

Evidence of that career destruction? You don't have to name names, just do more than vague hand waving.

Also, I love how you're trying to claim the role of American patriot at the same time as you're arguing for the cruel murder of an American citizen who's owed rights and due process... and whose goal was to reveal gross violations of privacy that are arguably unconstitutional in the US, and at least questionable everywhere else. Who's the traitor here?

 

[Dari]

Evidence of that career destruction? You don't have to name names, just do more than vague hand waving.

Also, I love how you're trying to claim the role of American patriot at the same time as you're arguing for the cruel murder of an American citizen who's owed rights and due process... and whose goal was to reveal gross violations of privacy that are arguably unconstitutional in the US, and at least questionable everywhere else. Who's the traitor here?

Do you think Snowden was the only contractor working in the intelligence community? A hard look was taken at some of these good men and they lost work because of this mark, some having to be let go by their firms. If Snowden was a true patriot he would fallen on his sword instead of running away. He's a coward, pure and simple. Real men don't run. If you're going to do something monumental like he did you should die along with your revelations. It'll, in my opinion, add substance to what you did. Instead, the bitch ran away to China, then Russia (two sworn enemies of the US) and is now nothing more than a commentator on political and security matters. If Obama makes the mistake of pardoning this bastard, he won't live to see the end of 2017, guaranteed, IMHO, because of all the people that he has betrayed and other Americans who won't feel right about him being in the sunshine on American soil. IMHO, they would find that unacceptable. He would be a marked man for life.

people that chose to do illegal shit?

Do you even know the definition of "illegal"?

 

[Commodus]

Do you think Snowden was the only contractor working in the intelligence community? A hard look was taken at some of these good men and they lost work because of this mark, some having to be let go by their firms. If Snowden was a true patriot he would fallen on his sword instead of running away. He's a coward, pure and simple. Real men don't run. If you're going to do something monumental like he did you should die along with your revelations. It'll, in my opinion, add substance to what you did. Instead, the bitch ran away to China, then Russia (two sworn enemies of the US) and is now nothing more than a commentator on political and security matters. If Obama makes the mistake of pardoning this bastard, he won't live to see the end of 2017, guaranteed, IMHO.


Do you even know the definition of "illegal"?

How was he supposed to get that data safely into the hands of journalists and help them vet it to avoid endangering lives? (Yes, despite what you've been told, this was not an indiscriminate data dump.) And do you really think he would have had a fair trial considering the whistleblowing nature of his leaks? Hell no. He'd have been presumed guilty, with his trial kept under total secrecy, and we'd have never heard from him again. Valuable leaks from those files were still coming out years later... do you think we'd have learned the greater extent of unethical NSA/GCHQ spying if Snowden were behind bars right now?

Also, you might recall that Snowden didn't stay in Russia by choice. He needed to get out of Hong Kong (not mainland China, and yes there's a distinction), took a flight to Russia in what he thought was a temporary step, and got stuck there. He's been openly critical of Putin's policies, so I don't buy the implication that he's a turncoat simply by virtue of where he ended up.

And yes, I know what an illegal act is. I also know that breaking the law and doing something wrong aren't always the same thing. Patriots break the law when they know it's perpetrating injustices that must not stand; cowards obey the law at all costs.

 

[agent00f]

Do you think Snowden was the only contractor working in the intelligence community? A hard look was taken at some of these good men and they lost work because of this mark, some having to be let go by their firms. If Snowden was a true patriot he would fallen on his sword instead of running away. He's a coward, pure and simple. Real men don't run. If you're going to do something monumental like he did you should die along with your revelations. It'll, in my opinion, add substance to what you did. Instead, the bitch ran away to China, then Russia (two sworn enemies of the US) and is now nothing more than a commentator on political and security matters. If Obama makes the mistake of pardoning this bastard, he won't live to see the end of 2017, guaranteed, IMHO, because of all the people that he has betrayed and other Americans who won't feel right about him being in the sunshine on American soil. IMHO, they would find that unacceptable. He would be a marked man for life.

Do you even know the definition of "illegal"?

people that chose to do illegal shit?

Let's not pretend your sort didn't wanted him dead before he revealed that info. By sort I mean "Real" patriots who prefer america be led by ethofascists because they don't particularly care for minorities.

 

[pauldun170]

 

[Dari]

How was he supposed to get that data safely into the hands of journalists and help them vet it to avoid endangering lives? (Yes, despite what you've been told, this was not an indiscriminate data dump.) And do you really think he would have had a fair trial considering the whistleblowing nature of his leaks? Hell no. He'd have been presumed guilty, with his trial kept under total secrecy, and we'd have never heard from him again. Valuable leaks from those files were still coming out years later... do you think we'd have learned the greater extent of unethical NSA/GCHQ spying if Snowden were behind bars right now?

Also, you might recall that Snowden didn't stay in Russia by choice. He needed to get out of Hong Kong (not mainland China, and yes there's a distinction), took a flight to Russia in what he thought was a temporary step, and got stuck there. He's been openly critical of Putin's policies, so I don't buy the implication that he's a turncoat simply by virtue of where he ended up.

And yes, I know what an illegal act is. I also know that breaking the law and doing something wrong aren't always the same thing. Patriots break the law when they know it's perpetrating injustices that must not stand; cowards obey the law at all costs.

None of this was his call to make. He put a lot of lives, careers and assets at risk just to satiate his ego. If he had a serious problem with the gathering of data on Americans he could've only focused on that. BTW, he wasn't the first to make noise about this. However, unlike them, he put to light everything. It was wrong and wrong. Fact is, it's been 3 years since this cockneck did what he did and Americans, by and large, don't give two squirts of piss. Neither do our allies. Coming into office on January 20 will be a government that will be far more aggressive in dealing with our enemies than anyone here can imagine. The American people have spoken and they just don't care. Assholes like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning should be used for target practice.

And before you start calling me (or those like me )a Nazi or whatever remember that Nazis came from the same liberal strain that has caused so much terror in the world. The only people that care are the sanctimonious, disgusting liberals who hate everything this country stands for. These are the same liberals throughout history who like to impose their will onto others, whether it be via eugenics or the Holocaust or the Great Leap forward. You're all the same

 

[Jaskalas]

Snowden informed on American crimes against Americans.
For that he should be pardoned and granted a hero's welcome.

 

[Commodus]

None of this was his call to make. He put a lot of lives, careers and assets at risk just to satiate his ego. If he had a serious problem with the gathering of data on Americans he could've only focused on that. BTW, he wasn't the first to make noise about this. However, unlike them, he put to light everything. It was wrong and wrong. Fact is, it's been 3 years since this cockneck did what he did and Americans, by and large, don't give two squirts of piss. Neither do our allies. Coming into office on January 20 will be a government that will be far more aggressive in dealing with our enemies than anyone here can imagine. The American people have spoken and they just don't care. Assholes like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning should be used for target practice.

And before you start calling me (or those like me )a Nazi or whatever remember that Nazis came from the same liberal strain that has caused so much terror in the world. The only people that care are the sanctimonious, disgusting liberals who hate everything this country stands for. These are the same liberals throughout history who like to impose their will onto others, whether it be via eugenics or the Holocaust or the Great Leap forward. You're all the same

To satiate his ego? Really? If you saw that both American and British intelligence agencies were conducting excessively broad surveillance in systems that were designed to avoid as much accountability as possible, what would you do? Report it to a higher-up who at best will be prevented from sharing it with the public it affects, or at worst will try to sweep it under the rug? The whole issue is that the NSA, GCHQ and other agencies set up massively intrusive spying programs in complete secrecy -- Americans and Brits couldn't object because they weren't allowed to know about it.

And yeah, sure, people don't care about it... so little that a bipartisan congressional effort passed limitations on the Patriot Act (the USA Freedom Act) in direct response to Snowden's leaks. So little that the EU launched a full-on investigation into NSA spying on its parliament. So little that there's substantial opposition to the UK's "Snooper's Charter."

No, I'm not calling you a Nazi, and Nazism did not stem from liberals. I'm honestly laughing that you'd even consider that, given that "liberal" with a lower-case L means social freedom and equality. It sounds to me like you simply load that term with everything you consider bad, Rush Limbaugh-style. It's easier to scapegoat than to take an intelligent, complex approach to political theory, isn't it?

Patriotism to me means upholding real freedom, not just the lip service you get in political speeches and flag-waving parades. It means questioning authority and defying it when it's clear you have no viable legal options -- that's literally how the US came to be. It's cowards who mindlessly tout the rule of law and gleefully call for the murder of people who question that law.

 

[lxskllr]

It'd be even better if he was given a 5 minute head start and allowed to run into the woods. Visions of this traitor being chased by bullets gets me all hot-n-bothered. The first hunter that finds him can let their gun explode and eviscerate that smug smile of his.

We could make it really exciting. I'd volunteer to cover his back, and I bet I could get several thousand armed patriots to help me. Everyone that makes it to the finish line gets to kick you in the balls. Fun game, no?

 

[feralkid]

And before you start calling me (or those like me )a Nazi or whatever remember that Nazis came from the same liberal strain that has caused so much terror in the world. The only people that care are the sanctimonious, disgusting liberals who hate everything this country stands for. These are the same liberals throughout history who like to impose their will onto others, whether it be via eugenics or the Holocaust or the Great Leap forward. You're all the same

Dari, do you not know that Nazism was an ultra right ideology?

Do you even understand what "Left" and "Right" mean?

 

[rommelrommel]

Lol, taking a Dari thread seriously.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

And before you start calling me (or those like me )a Nazi or whatever remember that Nazis came from the same liberal strain that has caused so much terror in the world. The only people that care are the sanctimonious, disgusting liberals who hate everything this country stands for. These are the same liberals throughout history who like to impose their will onto others, whether it be via eugenics or the Holocaust or the Great Leap forward. You're all the same

Oh dear. Trying to re-brand something to fit your world view is always problematic.

Here, let me help, from the Atlantic:

The problem, as they might say at Merriam-Webster, is in the definition. Scholars of fascism do not agree on what fascism means; nor, for that matter, do fascist scholars. The difficulty is twofold, and concerns both origins and actions.

Fascism originated in 1920s Europe, mostly among the radical collectivists of the left. But it developed by synthesizing command economics with the racism and nationalism of the radical collectivists of the right. Historians now discount the once-popular Marxist interpretation that fascism was the child of capitalism and imperialism. But they are not unanimous about whether the rivalry of fascism and communism was a sibling rivalry. Like the communists, the fascists were radically unprincipled opportunists, contemptuous of democratic norms. They sought to overthrow the right-left format of democratic politics, and their ideology combined elements of both.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Do you think Snowden was the only contractor working in the intelligence community? A hard look was taken at some of these good men and they lost work because of this mark, some having to be let go by their firms. If Snowden was a true patriot he would fallen on his sword instead of running away. He's a coward, pure and simple. Real men don't run. If you're going to do something monumental like he did you should die along with your revelations. It'll, in my opinion, add substance to what you did. Instead, the bitch ran away to China, then Russia (two sworn enemies of the US) and is now nothing more than a commentator on political and security matters. If Obama makes the mistake of pardoning this bastard, he won't live to see the end of 2017, guaranteed, IMHO, because of all the people that he has betrayed and other Americans who won't feel right about him being in the sunshine on American soil. IMHO, they would find that unacceptable. He would be a marked man for life.

Do you even know the definition of "illegal"?

Did you self-immolate in the neighbor's house you burned down? Or did you hide like a coward?

 

[disappoint]

Lol, taking a Dari thread seriously.

I remember when people would respond to his threads with "Posting in a Dari thread." because they never took seriously his 'a few fries short of a happy meal' posting history.