Hope Hicks : Obstruction

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Moonbeam

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Who gives a flying fuck about what people care about now, I wish I could be around 100 years from now to read about this fucked up era. You either do the right thing or our Constitution is little more than toilet paper. Polling to see if someone should be prosecuted is fucking nuts. Either the law is the law or it's a toothless bunch of words that have no meaning and thus are absolutely nothing to base the principles of a nation upon.

We're going to find that our real soon, all we can do is wait and watch.
I'm thinking if the American people really gave a crap they could always take to the streets. The people could shut the country down until the asshole is removed from office. But I think everybody's nuts are pretty well clipped.
 
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Starbuck1975

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They can assert their fifth amendment rights at any time.
What crime does she stand accused of, not humoring political theater? She cooperated with the Mueller investigation and his findings are available to Congress

There is only one way to take down Trump. Futile closed door inquiries is not it.
 

zinfamous

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Republicans tried to impeach and remove Clinton from office, knowing that few Democrats would join them. Eventually it died in the Senate, leaving history to record that the House Republicans tried to impeach the President for lying about a blow job and the Senate thought it a waste of time. That's history now.

The Democrats need to do the same thing, except this time history will record that when the House hands it off to the Senate, Mitch and his boys refused to impeach the President for obstruction of justice, witness tampering and his numerous other abuses of power. I am quite comfortable in letting history record that the House voted to impeach the criminal residing there and Mitch and his Republicans in the Senate refusing to do anything about it.

That history would look a hell of a lot better than recording that the Democrats decided to do nothing and let the President get away with his crimes.

This
 

ImpulsE69

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Who gives a flying fuck about what people care about now, I wish I could be around 100 years from now to read about this fucked up era. You either do the right thing or our Constitution is little more than toilet paper. Polling to see if someone should be prosecuted is fucking nuts. Either the law is the law or it's a toothless bunch of words that have no meaning and thus are absolutely nothing to base the principles of a nation upon.

We're going to find that our real soon, all we can do is wait and watch.

You should care a lot about what people care about now. That is exactly why we are where we are. THIS isn't something that people in a 100 years are going to give one fuck about. They are going to have their own issues. One thing the world doesn't do very well is learn from its mistakes. Unless the guy is thrown out of office or something actually happens, impeachment is just a feel good mechanism...but then yea, I get it, lots around here are the 'fuzzy' type, who also only think laws apply if they agree with them, and also aren't real interested in the Constitution parts they don't agree with. Don't misunderstand me, I'm all for impeachment, but the reality is, if that is all that happens, it's just another 'carry on business as usual' situation. It certainly isn't going to stop Trump from being Trump.
 

dainthomas

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What crime does she stand accused of, not humoring political theater? She cooperated with the Mueller investigation and his findings are available to Congress

There is only one way to take down Trump. Futile closed door inquiries is not it.

The same crime Susan McDougall stood accused of when Republicans threw her in jail for 18 months for refusing to testify against Bill Clinton.
 
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trenchfoot

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I'm thinking if the American people really gave a crap they could always take to the streets. The people could shut the country down until the asshole is removed from office. But I think everybody's nuts are pretty well clipped.


Not to change the subject or anything but my wife got mine before I knew what was going on.
 

Sunburn74

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I think Congress needs to start putting people in jail. Put some bite behind the bark.
 

soundforbjt

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I think Congress needs to start putting people in jail. Put some bite behind the bark.
Exactly this. Time for Dems to show they have some bite as well as bark. The need to stop acting like pussies, The People will take notice.
 

Starbuck1975

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The same crime Susan McDougall stood accused of when Republicans threw her in jail for 18 months for refusing to testify against Bill Clinton.
Whatabout...hey @ch33zw1z, Clinton flag on the field.

Apples and oranges. McDougal also received convictions for her active role in Whitewater. She also received a Presidential pardon...convenient.
 
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ImpulsE69

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I'm thinking if the American people really gave a crap they could always take to the streets. The people could shut the country down until the asshole is removed from office. But I think everybody's nuts are pretty well clipped.

Won't happen. The same people complaining don't want guns. Additionally, they still shop at Amazon even though they have unfair wages (that they have an issue with) and are more concerned about the likes on their selfies that are posted to multi billion dollar corporations only interested in selling their data to the highest bidder and nothing about privacy. AOC is just an attention seeker - she's like the negative of Trump. It will be interesting to see if she actually gets anywhere.

What they want is people to not be dicks and be nice people and fair to everyone...and I completely get that, but that's not the real world. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen, they can't even be nice to each other. Action is what needs to happen. Good luck with that. We can't even organize a boycott properly without infighting.

This administration is a true test of everything we believe in as a country.
 

dainthomas

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Served with a supersized Presidential impeachment, 1 governor resignation, 15 conviction nuggets and 40 crime dipping sauces, all washed down with 4 Presidential pardons.

What was Clinton's approval during the impeachment? Over 70? The people know baseless political theater when they see it.

Your boy would kill to have numbers even close to that.
 

Jhhnn

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I don't think the general population cares about a history lesson. You still have half the country who thinks highly of Trump even if impeached. The people who want impeachment want him out of office. Maybe rather than removal they could pass the 'no running for any office' so that he couldn't run for a 2nd term but I doubt that would pass either. I would much rather guarantee no 2nd term, than a slap on the wrist for the sake of someone saying 'look what these guys did back in 2016'.

Half the country? Trump didn't get half the country to vote for him in the first place & it seems unlikely that he's gained many devotees.
 

ImpulsE69

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Half the country? Trump didn't get half the country to vote for him in the first place & it seems unlikely that he's gained many devotees.

I agree on both counts, but he's still elected. Who knows what his true approval rating is (I'm sure it is well under 40%) but it still doesn't mean he couldn't do the exact same thing in 2020.
 

Starbuck1975

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What was Clinton's approval during the impeachment? Over 70? The people know baseless political theater when they see it.

Your boy would kill to have numbers even close to that.
I didn’t realize that popularity factors into our justice system. This thread is about Democrat hand wringing over not achieving the outcome they expected.
 

Moonbeam

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Not to change the subject or anything but my wife got mine before I knew what was going on.
Women seem to seek out men with that purpose in mind and then bellyache about marrying wimps. :)

I deny having ever said this.
 

Moonbeam

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I agree on both counts, but he's still elected. Who knows what his true approval rating is (I'm sure it is well under 40%) but it still doesn't mean he couldn't do the exact same thing in 2020.
Democrats are smart and Republicans are stupid, so there’s no point in trying to warn ‘the smart people’ they are blind to what can hit them. This is what I call the liberal brain defect.
 

Jhhnn

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I didn’t realize that popularity factors into our justice system. This thread is about Democrat hand wringing over not achieving the outcome they expected.

I doubt that the Dems got anything other than what they expected, which is obstructionism. The did get a different way of framing it from Trump Co- absolute immunity, which the SCOTUS shoved back in Nixon's face long ago.
 

DrDoug

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You should care a lot about what people care about now.

Regarding impeachment? No I shouldn't. Remember the passing of the ACA? Remember how Republicans crowed about retaking Congress in 2012 because some of the Democrats who voted to pass it were voted out of office. Those Democrats could have not voted for the ACA and probably kept their seats, but instead they chose to go against popular opinion (among voters) in their districts and vote to give people access to more affordable insurance with fewer restrictions. They basically sacrificed their careers in Washington D.C. to do the right thing for the people in their districts and the rest of America. As a result of this more people have insurance with fewer restrictions, improving the health of the people of our country. Living in the now is no way to look to the future, people with vision know this. The impeachment of the President for breaking the law should not be decided by polling.

Equal justice for all and it's way past time to drop an anvil of justice on Tang Toad Wang.
 

ImpulsE69

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Regarding impeachment? No I shouldn't. Remember the passing of the ACA? Remember how Republicans crowed about retaking Congress in 2012 because some of the Democrats who voted to pass it were voted out of office. Those Democrats could have not voted for the ACA and probably kept their seats, but instead they chose to go against popular opinion (among voters) in their districts and vote to give people access to more affordable insurance with fewer restrictions. They basically sacrificed their careers in Washington D.C. to do the right thing for the people in their districts and the rest of America. As a result of this more people have insurance with fewer restrictions, improving the health of the people of our country. Living in the now is no way to look to the future, people with vision know this. The impeachment of the President for breaking the law should not be decided by polling.

Equal justice for all and it's way past time to drop an anvil of justice on Tang Toad Wang.

I think we're confusing issues. If impeachment is the anvil then what we need is a bomb. What I'm asking for is more than a write up because it isn't going to prevent anything going forward. These people don't care about being embarrassed as long as they still have money and power. The dem/repub debate is cyclic and changes every time everyone gets tired of one or the other. Another Trump can happen and most likely will at some point if enough people are fed up with how things are and can be riled up.
 
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