Hope for the Muslim world?

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: ayabe
Well said.

The Muslim moderates need to start policing their own and take control of the agenda of their religion, otherwise things are going to continue to get worse and worse. Screaming for heads to roll at the slightest perceived offense isn't being peaceful, it's backwards. Honor killings are backwards, repression of women is backwards. The leaders of the faith need to upgrade their line of thinking or be prepared to suffer the consequences.

I am here to let you know that terrorists are not following Islam but you keep asking for moderate Muslims who should take control of their own agenda!! you are asking for something in front of your face!

When you have Muslim religious leaders publicly advocating violence; how are people to determien who is the moderate.

Presently in the Western world, such things do not happen with anywhere such a scale as the Muslims are exhibiting both with the Arab world and even within the non-Arab world.

When Iran published the holocaust denial cartoons, you did not see the Jewish and Cristian leaders going to the pulpit and urging violence.

Yet when comments are made about the Islamic religion, violence errupts and becomes encouraged.

The non-Muslim worlds starts to ask why? There is a perceived lack of outrage and attempt to reign in the extremists by your Moderates.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
I don't think "the west" will ever admire a Theocracy.
The only way Muslim countries will ever get any respect from non Muslim countries, would be to switch to a secular government, and not mix government and religion.

That will likely never happen.

Muslim countries will sadly probably forever remain 500 years+ behind.

Last time I checked, we didn't have nuclear reactors 500 years ago.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
LOL @ Muslims in this thread (even those who claim they aren't, you know who you are).

Turkey is only a democracy because the MILITARY enforces it, preventing overthrowing of the goverment by religious fanatics. It's rather unique. Lebanon is a democracy? Yes, Syria's democracy. It's a joke.

Bottom line is, Islam will eventually piss off the west and suffer the consequences. You'll see that in the next 10 to 20 years, if not before, Europe will become right wing after it'll have enough of abusive Muslims.
The rest of the world is going forward, Muslims are going nowhere. Even the poor Asians nations are integrating into the rest of the world and quickly catching up to Western economical standards.

Hope? Yes. There is hope. Hope that Western nations ban Islam from their teritorries. Then there will be no terror, and considering how scientifically and economically poor Muslims generally are, the west doesn't face a real danger as long as Muslims are confined to their countries.

And WTF does it have to do with racism? Last time I checked, "Muslim" is not a race. It's like the French yelling "Racism".

Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succumbing to your nazi dreams anytime soon.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succuming to your nazi Jewish dreams anytime soon.

Damn! This joker is indeed a clown.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succuming to your nazi Jewish dreams anytime soon.

Damn! This joker is indeed a clown.

look at yourself before you talk about others

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Alaa
look at yourself before you talk about others

You should've done that yourself prior to posting the message.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
LOL @ Muslims in this thread (even those who claim they aren't, you know who you are).

Turkey is only a democracy because the MILITARY enforces it, preventing overthrowing of the goverment by religious fanatics. It's rather unique. Lebanon is a democracy? Yes, Syria's democracy. It's a joke.

Bottom line is, Islam will eventually piss off the west and suffer the consequences. You'll see that in the next 10 to 20 years, if not before, Europe will become right wing after it'll have enough of abusive Muslims.
The rest of the world is going forward, Muslims are going nowhere. Even the poor Asians nations are integrating into the rest of the world and quickly catching up to Western economical standards.

Hope? Yes. There is hope. Hope that Western nations ban Islam from their teritorries. Then there will be no terror, and considering how scientifically and economically poor Muslims generally are, the west doesn't face a real danger as long as Muslims are confined to their countries.

And WTF does it have to do with racism? Last time I checked, "Muslim" is not a race. It's like the French yelling "Racism".

Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succuming to your nazi dreams anytime soon.

Don't worry, Samur is always going to be 10-20 years away from his dream until he's finally got both feet in his grave.

That's how you spot a loon. Their theories are always far enough into the future that they're hard to argue one way or another.

It's like me saying that the US and Russia will have a nuclear exchange and end the world 50 years from now. Could it be possible? Certainly (I mean look at our relationship with Russia 50 years ago). Maybe Russia is the biggest danger to the US and we're just decades too early to know it.

Samur's like the guy wearing the sandwich-board in Times Square; "The End Is Near", "Repent Now For Salvation".

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
Aimster and Alaa just don't want to give up on all the technicalities and theoretical meanings and interpertations.

I am not even gonna bother with the Koran, since, like the Bible, it's a book from back in the days, whose rules no longer apply today.

As for "America is not a religion", it is rather clear that America = West = Christians = Infidels (cue Aimster, demanding "reliable" sources).

I read the Quran have you?
No, exactly.

I have Muslim friends, do you? No. Exactly

Alaa is a Muslim. Are you telling him what to believe? I hope not, you are not his prophet. So if Alaa says something about a Muslim you are hearing it from a Muslim.

You are not a Muslim to counter a Muslim's views on his own religion. You are just some random kid who makes it a hobby to badmouth a religion that you know nothing about.

(I have not read alaa's posts so I have no idea what his views are. I only assume he is a moderate)

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Alaa
look at yourself before you talk about others

You should've done that yourself prior to posting the message.

my message didn't include any "clowns"!!

 

[Aimster]

Like I said before, Islam is a slave religion.

It is not out to get non-believers.

It is peaceful ... because Muslims have to devote their entire lives being slaves. Their mission in life is to please God. It is not peaceful in the sense that awww Muslims are super sweet awwww kind of BS.

Islam is more a threat to Muslims than non-believers. If you are a Muslim and you SIN you are in trouble by the other Muslims. If you are not a Muslim then the Muslims will think you don't know any better and let you slide. This is how Muslims in the U.S are. They don't go around bad-mouthing Christians, etc. They go around bad-mouthing Muslims.

I'm sure the same can be said about Christians who are fanatical "oh they are not good Christians, blah blah"

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
LOL @ Muslims in this thread (even those who claim they aren't, you know who you are).

Turkey is only a democracy because the MILITARY enforces it, preventing overthrowing of the goverment by religious fanatics. It's rather unique. Lebanon is a democracy? Yes, Syria's democracy. It's a joke.

Bottom line is, Islam will eventually piss off the west and suffer the consequences. You'll see that in the next 10 to 20 years, if not before, Europe will become right wing after it'll have enough of abusive Muslims.
The rest of the world is going forward, Muslims are going nowhere. Even the poor Asians nations are integrating into the rest of the world and quickly catching up to Western economical standards.

Hope? Yes. There is hope. Hope that Western nations ban Islam from their teritorries. Then there will be no terror, and considering how scientifically and economically poor Muslims generally are, the west doesn't face a real danger as long as Muslims are confined to their countries.

And WTF does it have to do with racism? Last time I checked, "Muslim" is not a race. It's like the French yelling "Racism".

Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succuming to your nazi dreams anytime soon.

Don't worry, Samur is always going to be 10-20 years away from his dream until he's finally got both feet in his grave.

That's how you spot a loon. Their theories are always far enough into the future that they're hard to argue one way or another.

It's like me saying that the US and Russia will have a nuclear exchange and end the world 50 years from now. Could it be possible? Certainly (I mean look at our relationship with Russia 50 years ago). Maybe Russia is the biggest danger to the US and we're just decades too early to know it.

Samur's like the guy wearing the sandwich-board in Times Square; "The End Is Near", "Repent Now For Salvation".

Well, like it or not, there is a trend, and if it'll proceed, that's what we'll see. Do you have any solid reason why Europeans WON'T vote to the right wing next time around? Do you think they LIKE their countries to be held hostage by Muslims?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
LOL @ Muslims in this thread (even those who claim they aren't, you know who you are).

Turkey is only a democracy because the MILITARY enforces it, preventing overthrowing of the goverment by religious fanatics. It's rather unique. Lebanon is a democracy? Yes, Syria's democracy. It's a joke.

Bottom line is, Islam will eventually piss off the west and suffer the consequences. You'll see that in the next 10 to 20 years, if not before, Europe will become right wing after it'll have enough of abusive Muslims.
The rest of the world is going forward, Muslims are going nowhere. Even the poor Asians nations are integrating into the rest of the world and quickly catching up to Western economical standards.

Hope? Yes. There is hope. Hope that Western nations ban Islam from their teritorries. Then there will be no terror, and considering how scientifically and economically poor Muslims generally are, the west doesn't face a real danger as long as Muslims are confined to their countries.

And WTF does it have to do with racism? Last time I checked, "Muslim" is not a race. It's like the French yelling "Racism".

Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succuming to your nazi dreams anytime soon.

Don't worry, Samur is always going to be 10-20 years away from his dream until he's finally got both feet in his grave.

That's how you spot a loon. Their theories are always far enough into the future that they're hard to argue one way or another.

It's like me saying that the US and Russia will have a nuclear exchange and end the world 50 years from now. Could it be possible? Certainly (I mean look at our relationship with Russia 50 years ago). Maybe Russia is the biggest danger to the US and we're just decades too early to know it.

Samur's like the guy wearing the sandwich-board in Times Square; "The End Is Near", "Repent Now For Salvation".

Well, like it or not, there is a trend, and if it'll proceed, that's what we'll see. Do you have any solid reason why Europeans WON'T vote to the right wing next time around? Do you think they LIKE their countries to be held hostage by Muslims?

Blair and his pro-war buddies are a unpopular as ever in England. Spain elected an anti-war leader in their last election. Do you have a solid reason why Europeans WILL vote right wing next time around?

But here's the kicker. Right wing =! nutjob. How about you take a nice little vacation and post back in 10-20 years when you finally have your proof?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
LOL @ Muslims in this thread (even those who claim they aren't, you know who you are).

Turkey is only a democracy because the MILITARY enforces it, preventing overthrowing of the goverment by religious fanatics. It's rather unique. Lebanon is a democracy? Yes, Syria's democracy. It's a joke.

Bottom line is, Islam will eventually piss off the west and suffer the consequences. You'll see that in the next 10 to 20 years, if not before, Europe will become right wing after it'll have enough of abusive Muslims.
The rest of the world is going forward, Muslims are going nowhere. Even the poor Asians nations are integrating into the rest of the world and quickly catching up to Western economical standards.

Hope? Yes. There is hope. Hope that Western nations ban Islam from their teritorries. Then there will be no terror, and considering how scientifically and economically poor Muslims generally are, the west doesn't face a real danger as long as Muslims are confined to their countries.

And WTF does it have to do with racism? Last time I checked, "Muslim" is not a race. It's like the French yelling "Racism".

Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succuming to your nazi dreams anytime soon.

Don't worry, Samur is always going to be 10-20 years away from his dream until he's finally got both feet in his grave.

That's how you spot a loon. Their theories are always far enough into the future that they're hard to argue one way or another.

It's like me saying that the US and Russia will have a nuclear exchange and end the world 50 years from now. Could it be possible? Certainly (I mean look at our relationship with Russia 50 years ago). Maybe Russia is the biggest danger to the US and we're just decades too early to know it.

Samur's like the guy wearing the sandwich-board in Times Square; "The End Is Near", "Repent Now For Salvation".

Well, like it or not, there is a trend, and if it'll proceed, that's what we'll see. Do you have any solid reason why Europeans WON'T vote to the right wing next time around? Do you think they LIKE their countries to be held hostage by Muslims?

Speaking of trends, European Germans (and other Euros that turned a blind eye until the war came to their borders) got sick of Jews 50+ years ago and tried to finish you off. So you're the last person that should be pointing fingers or wishing for a right-wing movement in Europe and USA because you'd be playing with fire. If they did come after Muslims, you and your kind would be next on the list.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
LOL @ Muslims in this thread (even those who claim they aren't, you know who you are).

Turkey is only a democracy because the MILITARY enforces it, preventing overthrowing of the goverment by religious fanatics. It's rather unique. Lebanon is a democracy? Yes, Syria's democracy. It's a joke.

Bottom line is, Islam will eventually piss off the west and suffer the consequences. You'll see that in the next 10 to 20 years, if not before, Europe will become right wing after it'll have enough of abusive Muslims.
The rest of the world is going forward, Muslims are going nowhere. Even the poor Asians nations are integrating into the rest of the world and quickly catching up to Western economical standards.

Hope? Yes. There is hope. Hope that Western nations ban Islam from their teritorries. Then there will be no terror, and considering how scientifically and economically poor Muslims generally are, the west doesn't face a real danger as long as Muslims are confined to their countries.

And WTF does it have to do with racism? Last time I checked, "Muslim" is not a race. It's like the French yelling "Racism".

Jews aren't a race since 80% of you in Israel are ashkanazi mongrels from Russia and Europe. You also claim Israelis are athiest yet they still call themselves "jews" as an identity. I'm not Muslim by religion but these days I think everyone from a pre-dominantly Islamic/mideastern background counts as Muslim, regardless of religious belief. That includes Palestinian Christians, Iranian/Iraqi Christians, Afghan Sunnis, Iraqi/Iranian Shias, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Agnostics, Athiests etc. Muslim to me is an ethnic identity now just as much as "jew" is one for you.

P.S. I don't think you'll see Western nations succuming to your nazi dreams anytime soon.

Don't worry, Samur is always going to be 10-20 years away from his dream until he's finally got both feet in his grave.

That's how you spot a loon. Their theories are always far enough into the future that they're hard to argue one way or another.

It's like me saying that the US and Russia will have a nuclear exchange and end the world 50 years from now. Could it be possible? Certainly (I mean look at our relationship with Russia 50 years ago). Maybe Russia is the biggest danger to the US and we're just decades too early to know it.

Samur's like the guy wearing the sandwich-board in Times Square; "The End Is Near", "Repent Now For Salvation".

Well, like it or not, there is a trend, and if it'll proceed, that's what we'll see. Do you have any solid reason why Europeans WON'T vote to the right wing next time around? Do you think they LIKE their countries to be held hostage by Muslims?

Have you ever been to Europe? If so, how many times? Better yet, have you ever lived in Europe?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I read the Quran have you?
No, exactly.
...
You are not a Muslim to counter a Muslim's views on his own religion. You are just some random kid who makes it a hobby to badmouth a religion that you know nothing about.

Don't give me that bullcrap, because that's exactly what I was talking about -- quibbling over technicalities.

I could care less what's written in the Koran, and that fact doesn't mean I can't on what I observe, and what I observe is that the so called Muslim moderates are MIA.

BTW, I wasn't "badmouthing" only Islam, but also Christianity and Judaism, so, there you go, no need to get all upset

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Speaking of trends, European Germans (and other Euros that turned a blind eye until the war came to their borders) got sick of Jews 50 years ago and tried to finish you off. So you're the last person that should be pointing fingers or wishing for a right-wing movement in Europe and USA because you'd be playing with fire. If they did come after Muslims, you and your kind would be next on the list.

You're only showing your ignorance buddy, as well as your racism -- Jews were hated for hundreds of years for no good reason. European Germans didn't get sick of the Jews, they were the victims of World War 1, and the economical depression of 1929 -- these enabled the Nazis to come to power, and to implement their twisted agenda.

Also, he wasn't wishing for right-wingers to come into power, but, nevertheless, you managed to misconstrue his words. A few more terror attacks across Europe and the supremacist will indeed have their day in the sun.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Like I said before, Islam is a slave religion.

It is not out to get non-believers.

It is peaceful ... because Muslims have to devote their entire lives being slaves. Their mission in life is to please God. It is not peaceful in the sense that awww Muslims are super sweet awwww kind of BS.

Islam is more a threat to Muslims than non-believers. If you are a Muslim and you SIN you are in trouble by the other Muslims. If you are not a Muslim then the Muslims will think you don't know any better and let you slide. This is how Muslims in the U.S are. They don't go around bad-mouthing Christians, etc. They go around bad-mouthing Muslims.

I'm sure the same can be said about Christians who are fanatical "oh they are not good Christians, blah blah"

Slaves to Allah who created us..so? this looks normal enough to me!!
there are Major sins that gets you punished Islam especially stealing but there are other sins that are major and equals death like sex but it's near impossible that you get caught as this requires 4 men as witnesses!! Muslims shouldn't talk to others in a rude way but rather in a calm conversation to convince the other Muslim that what he is doing is wrong or else he will just ignore what you say.

 

[imported_dna]

Like when a woman is required to present 4 men witnesses to prove a rape?
There's been quite some hub-hub about amending the law in Pakistan, and at the end the Sharia law remained in effect.
Kinda nice -- carte blance for raping someone, and if you're lucky, she might get executed by her family memebers because she "disgraced" them.

Yep, keep trying to show us the light.....

EDIT: link

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: dna
Like when a woman is required to present 4 men witnesses to prove a rape?
There's been quite some hub-hub about amending the law in Pakistan, and at the end the Sharia law remained in effect.
Kinda nice -- carte blance for raping someone, and if you're lucky, she might get executed by her family memebers because she "disgraced" them.

Yep, keep trying to show us the light.....

EDIT: link

this is not rape this is sex (different)! by the approval of both of them!
Why don't you show me 1 ONE evidence against what I said from Islam!!??
The number should be between 3-4 but mostly 4.
seems like 4 as this is my 444 post

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
Like when a woman is required to present 4 men witnesses to prove a rape?
There's been quite some hub-hub about amending the law in Pakistan, and at the end the Sharia law remained in effect.
Kinda nice -- carte blance for raping someone, and if you're lucky, she might get executed by her family memebers because she "disgraced" them.

Yep, keep trying to show us the light.....

EDIT: link

That is not Islam

those are rules created outside the Quran by individuals

Islam = Quran

Islamic Laws are not in the Quran. They are created by man. Not by "God"

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Aimster
That is not Islam

those are rules created outside the Quran by individuals

Islam = Quran

CURRENT Islamic Laws are not in the Quran. They are created by man. Not by "God"

Had to fix this cuz there is an Islamic law in Quran and Sonna.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Aimster
That is not Islam

those are rules created outside the Quran by individuals

Islam = Quran

CURRENT Islamic Laws are not in the Quran. They are created by man. Not by "God"

Had to fix this cuz there is an Islamic law in Quran and Sonna.

I am talking about Quran.

Muslims have like 10,000 books that came after the Quran that they like to make equal to the Quran.

Those 10,000 books were writtin by individuals who are not speaking the word of God! That is why those books = BS.

The Quran states what laws? Please show me if you can. I'm not talking about "shall not eat pork" either.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The Quran states what laws? Please show me if you can. I'm not talking about "shall not eat pork" either.

take cutting the stealer's arm..bequests and what everyone should take(sons,daughters...).. killers should get executed.. there are others but I am not much into this really.

 

[imported_dna]

Heh, I guess God is due on updating the rules for the 21st century, or, of course, we could all live like they did 1,000 years ago.

Face it, only rules like the last 5 commandments (Repsect your parents, Don't murder, No Adultery, Don't steal, Don't lie, Don't covet) are still of use today, and have weathered changes in morality throughout the years. Stuff like how much you should compensate your neighbor if their ox died on your property, or the rules governing the release of a slave after 7 years -- well -- no longer apply.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Alaa
take cutting the stealer's arm..bequests and what everyone should take(sons,daughters...).. killers should get executed.. there are others but I am not much into this really.

You're kidding, right?
I thought you're supposed to apply the law in a strict manner, after all, word of god and all that....