Hope everything on board was tightened fast.

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marvdmartian

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That's a fairly small vessel, for ocean going. No surprise they get swamped with every wave.

Way back in the olden days, when I was in the navy, we did an exercise with 3 carrier battle groups, up in the north Pacific, in February/March time frame. They wanted to get a picture with all the ships in formation (pretty impressive, with 3 carriers and associated "small boys", imho).

I happened to be up on the observation deck (on the island structure of my carrier), one deck below the bridge, with my 35mm camera and a 135mm lens with 2x multiplier attached (effectively, a 270mm lens). I saw either a destroyer or frigate (hard to make out at that distance) that was in the middle of a 180 degree turn (to get into formation) take a HUGE wave on the side of the ship that was already pretty exposed due to the tight turn they were making...... and that tin can leannnnnned over to about a 45 degree angle, and kept that tight turn going, until they finally got into position and straightened out.

I swear, those guys must have been walking half on the deck, half on the bulkheads (walls) during that turn! :eek:
 

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That's why we AVOID such encounters...

Well most of the time. We've had several encounters with 40+ foot seas and even a 77 foot rogue wave.

When the seas get in a state where the bow "falls off" waves it creates a loud, banging sound followed by a shuddering throughout the ship. To the unknowing passenger they'd think we hit something or worse!
 

chusteczka

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Screw that, time to upgrade to a submarine.:eek:

A submarine can feel such a storm even at a depth of 200 feet. It is true that a sub will just go deep and wait out the storm or go somewhere else. A storm like this can effectively blind a submarine.
 

Linflas

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One of these days I really need to scan in the picture from my cruise book of a wave breaking across the flight deck of the USS Independence when we went through a storm on our way to the Med. We couldn't go outside for 3 days and the storm ripped the catwalks that run around the edge of the flight deck off the whole forward catapault section.

Found it

It is hard to see in those pictures but there is an A-7 tied down on the bow at a 45 degree angle, we entered this thing rather suddenly and while we were tieing down all the planes a wave came over the bow and flipped it on its side. We just tied it down like that and left it until things were calmer.
 
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dennilfloss

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That's why we AVOID such encounters...

Well most of the time. We've had several encounters with 40+ foot seas and even a 77 foot rogue wave.

When the seas get in a state where the bow "falls off" waves it creates a loud, banging sound followed by a shuddering throughout the ship. To the unknowing passenger they'd think we hit something or worse!

Kinda like this at 33s?:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97sRmTVLZ-g&feature=related
 
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Yee-HAW!

I've worked on some rough seas in my career, but nothing quite like that.

When it was forecast to get swells and waves over 20 feet, we headed for the beach.

Just imagine setting in a crane on a barge in seas like that...

Now the hook is here, now it's way over there, "CATCH IT YOU FUCKING PRICK!"

[radio] "Hey boss...better call the union hall. We just lost ANOTHER ironworker."[/radio]
 

Rubycon

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Yee-HAW!

I've worked on some rough seas in my career, but nothing quite like that.

When it was forecast to get swells and waves over 20 feet, we headed for the beach.

Just imagine setting in a crane on a barge in seas like that...

Now the hook is here, now it's way over there, "CATCH IT YOU FUCKING PRICK!"

[radio] "Hey boss...better call the union hall. We just lost ANOTHER ironworker."[/radio]

Don't you mean the electrician yelled back at the super telling him it wasn't in his job description? ;)

Cranes are scary enough on dry soil. Rigging on something moving is not fun unless you're watching remotely via CCTV. ;)
 

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ROFL at the beeping. I'm such a nerd when it comes to that. That would be the sound of a pc/server with a MegaRAID/PERC or Intel SRCU42x with a failed drive. Probably due to a backplane getting shaken up. We fixed those AGES ago. That brings back memories though!

I'm lost. What do you mean by "we fixed those ages ago"?
 

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I'm lost. What do you mean by "we fixed those ages ago"?

GEM SAFE-T backplanes would succumb to vibration so we had the carriers modified to have more pressure so they would not move and cause the SCA connectors on the back to deteriorate. On a bad one you could literally walk up to the box and push on the lever and the fail light would glow and the drive would go offline!
 

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GEM SAFE-T backplanes would succumb to vibration so we had the carriers modified to have more pressure so they would not move and cause the SCA connectors on the back to deteriorate. On a bad one you could literally walk up to the box and push on the lever and the fail light would glow and the drive would go offline!

Ah, got it.
 

marvdmartian

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That's why we AVOID such encounters...

Well most of the time. We've had several encounters with 40+ foot seas and even a 77 foot rogue wave.

When the seas get in a state where the bow "falls off" waves it creates a loud, banging sound followed by a shuddering throughout the ship. To the unknowing passenger they'd think we hit something or worse!

Yeah, dealt with that once or twice, during a trip from Roosevelt Roads (Naval Station, Puerto Rico) back to Mayport (Florida), back in 1981. On board the USS Elmer Montgomery (FF-1082), an old Knox class frigate. We were hitting 10 to 15 foot seas, and doing a bit of wall walking ourselves. Every time we'd nose into a swell, you'd feel the ship tipping back-back-back (as it's climbing the wave), then it would reach it's fulcrum point, and tip over into the valley between waves, where the screw would pop out of the water for a second. It's that free-wheeling of the screw, until it bites water again, that causes the shuddering, as it goes from X turns per minute, to XX turns, and back to X again, all within a couple seconds. Shakes the whole damn ship!

Linflas, pretty sure you meant the safety nets, and not the catwalks, right? Those older (non-nuke) carriers were a good 10,000 tons lighter than the present day carriers (if not more), and really get tossed around a bit in the higher seas. I served on the Enterprise (CVN-65, the Big E), and I remember them telling us, during a NorthPac exercise, that we had taken 2/3 of the launches and recoveries on board our flight deck, during the exercise, just due to the fact that our flight deck was much more steady than the older carriers (and the pilots enjoyed that, for some reason!! :rolleyes: ).

I only mention the safety nets versus catwalks, due to the fact that the catwalks were a bit sturdier, and welded to the ship, versus the safety nets that are mechanically attached (nuts & bolts), and thus easier to tear off.

And yes, I understand about the fun you guys had on deck. One of our guys almost rode a tow tractor over the side, when the combination of an icy flight deck during a turn (never heard whether they heard the "heel to port" call over the loudspeakers or not), while towing a plane, almost caused the whole kit & kaboodle to tip over the edge! They said the guy in the tractor and the plane captain in the jet both were standing on their brakes, and the front end of the tractor was about to go over the edge when it all stopped ......and it's said that no plane was ever chocked & chained more quickly in the history of the ship, as that one was when it came to a stop!! :eek:
 

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Yes we've had screws (pods) out of the water and the overspeed will trip them instantly. They're 20MW motors so it's not like plugging in a floor sweeper when someone trips over the cord. ;)
 

Linflas

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Yeah, dealt with that once or twice, during a trip from Roosevelt Roads (Naval Station, Puerto Rico) back to Mayport (Florida), back in 1981. On board the USS Elmer Montgomery (FF-1082), an old Knox class frigate. We were hitting 10 to 15 foot seas, and doing a bit of wall walking ourselves. Every time we'd nose into a swell, you'd feel the ship tipping back-back-back (as it's climbing the wave), then it would reach it's fulcrum point, and tip over into the valley between waves, where the screw would pop out of the water for a second. It's that free-wheeling of the screw, until it bites water again, that causes the shuddering, as it goes from X turns per minute, to XX turns, and back to X again, all within a couple seconds. Shakes the whole damn ship!

Linflas, pretty sure you meant the safety nets, and not the catwalks, right? Those older (non-nuke) carriers were a good 10,000 tons lighter than the present day carriers (if not more), and really get tossed around a bit in the higher seas. I served on the Enterprise (CVN-65, the Big E), and I remember them telling us, during a NorthPac exercise, that we had taken 2/3 of the launches and recoveries on board our flight deck, during the exercise, just due to the fact that our flight deck was much more steady than the older carriers (and the pilots enjoyed that, for some reason!! :rolleyes: ).

I only mention the safety nets versus catwalks, due to the fact that the catwalks were a bit sturdier, and welded to the ship, versus the safety nets that are mechanically attached (nuts & bolts), and thus easier to tear off.

And yes, I understand about the fun you guys had on deck. One of our guys almost rode a tow tractor over the side, when the combination of an icy flight deck during a turn (never heard whether they heard the "heel to port" call over the loudspeakers or not), while towing a plane, almost caused the whole kit & kaboodle to tip over the edge! They said the guy in the tractor and the plane captain in the jet both were standing on their brakes, and the front end of the tractor was about to go over the edge when it all stopped ......and it's said that no plane was ever chocked & chained more quickly in the history of the ship, as that one was when it came to a stop!! :eek:

No it was the actual steel catwalk. I was amazed when I saw it but quite a bit of it was ripped off along with a bell that was mounted close to the bow on the bulkhead there.
 

marvdmartian

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No it was the actual steel catwalk. I was amazed when I saw it but quite a bit of it was ripped off along with a bell that was mounted close to the bow on the bulkhead there.

Awesome! Amazing the power of mere water, isn't it?

I've been up in the NorthPac, when we've had waves high enough to pop the foul weather plug out of where the anchor chain goes through the hull of the ship (you wouldn't think they'd need it, that high, but we had to slow down so the bosun's mates could re-install it, as they had some pretty good flooding going in in the forecastle (pronounced "foc'sle", i.e. foke-sull, for you landlubbers!! :cool: ) area.

I was also on the main engine throttleman watch one night, and heard the bridge chewing out the sponson watch stander for dumping trash during flight ops (a sponson is a weather deck, they hold the trash there during flight ops to prevent any light debris from floating upward and causing foreign object damage (FOD) to a jet engine when they're coming in for a landing). Sponson watch told the bridge that he'd seen a huge wave coming down the side of the ship, so ducked inside the doorway for a minute, and watched as this wave broke over the sponson......35 feet above the water line! When he poked his head back out there, approximately 300 bags of trash that had been staged there were GONE......washed overboard by that wave!! :eek:

I tell you, give me an aircraft carrier any day, during weather like that!!
 

Jeff7

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Loud, but at least it's not Requiem for a Dream again.



A submarine can feel such a storm even at a depth of 200 feet. It is true that a sub will just go deep and wait out the storm or go somewhere else. A storm like this can effectively blind a submarine.
Well my thinking was, if that ship tips, it's kind of screwed.
If a submarine tips, sure the inside will look like a large rock tumbler, but it shouldn't start taking on water and sink. :)
 
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