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Hooray for Fox News! Reporting all the pro war / pro "we support our troops" rallies!
- Thread starter LordJezo
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I agree. I don't think there are many people in the country who WANT to go to war. I think people are a) showing support for our armed forces and b) agree that Sadaam should (somehow) be removed from power. I certainly don't want a war, but I think a regime change is necessary in Iraq.
Leave it to fox news to report on all the bad news...as usual. My attitude about this whole thing is shifting considerably. I know how bad a guy Saddam is, but these days I can't justify a long, costly war to pull him out. Let the Iraqi's deal with him.
Why are people for this war? I understand supporting the armed forces...I have the utmost respect for those willing to die for their country. But come on...we don't stand to gain anything by this war except oil. Inhumane bullshit happens all over the world in non-oil rich countries..why aren't we pushing for "regime changes" in such places? If you're gonna send people to die at least be honest about why they're going.
And I'm sorry but I have not seen enough convincing evidence about Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" other than a few pea shooter missiles that can't even hit Israel. North Korea has come out publicly with their nuclear program, dismissed their weapons inspectors, and openly made threats against us. Why are we completely ignoring them? Because they have no oil.
Why are people for this war? I understand supporting the armed forces...I have the utmost respect for those willing to die for their country. But come on...we don't stand to gain anything by this war except oil. Inhumane bullshit happens all over the world in non-oil rich countries..why aren't we pushing for "regime changes" in such places? If you're gonna send people to die at least be honest about why they're going.
And I'm sorry but I have not seen enough convincing evidence about Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" other than a few pea shooter missiles that can't even hit Israel. North Korea has come out publicly with their nuclear program, dismissed their weapons inspectors, and openly made threats against us. Why are we completely ignoring them? Because they have no oil.
UDT89
Diamond Member
We arent gonna get oil. We didnt back in 91 and not now. Bad enough we dont have total world support, taking oil wouldnt work. We are pushing for a regime change b/c the oil makes iraq a very rich country but in reality its not. Saddam uses the money for his palaces among other things. A new regime there would make it less risky for Iraq to manufacture weapons of mass destruction.
Saddam destroyed what, all of 6 missles(i think 6). That could be only 3% of what he really has. Cmon he destroyed 6 missles, lets give him another year to disarm. Its ridiculous.
I feel Korea is making these statements b/c they know that we have our hands full with Iraq, the UN, france and russia. Once the iraq thing is settled, i feel the N. Korean issue will be the next thing in line.
Yes Korea is a higher risk right now, but we cant just drop the Iraq problem now. We're in too deep, and if we put too much on the UN plate, they'll really show their weakness.
Leave it to fox news to report on all the bad news...as usual.
Bad news? An opposing viewpoint is bad news? Ah, I see -- freedom of speech for only liberal ideas because only self-proclaimed "progressive" ideas are valid.
My attitude about this whole thing is shifting considerably. I know how bad a guy Saddam is, but these days I can't justify a long, costly war to pull him out. Let the Iraqi's deal with him.
Let the Iraqis deal with him, eh? Tell that to the Iranians and the Kuwaitis, not to mention the thousands of Shia and Kurds he's killed within his country. Bah, let the Euros deal with Hitler!
Why are people for this war? I understand supporting the armed forces...I have the utmost respect for those willing to die for their country. But come on...we don't stand to gain anything by this war except oil. Inhumane bullshit happens all over the world in non-oil rich countries..why aren't we pushing for "regime changes" in such places? If you're gonna send people to die at least be honest about why they're going.
Inhumane bullshit does happen all over the world, but in this particular instance, the inhumane bullshit has included CHEMICAL WEAPONS. Since the dictator involved has also invaded two other countries within twenty years (and he's not been in power much longer), there's a certain danger to the entire region. Yes, that region is essential to the world's economies because of oil production, but the world's economies are somewhat important to the health and welfare of the entire planet, wouldn't you say? Stability in that region is important and having a megalomaniac dictator with access to ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction tends to be a bit destabilizing especially when combined with his history of disregard for international norms and borders.
And I'm sorry but I have not seen enough convincing evidence about Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" other than a few pea shooter missiles that can't even hit Israel. North Korea has come out publicly with their nuclear program, dismissed their weapons inspectors, and openly made threats against us. Why are we completely ignoring them? Because they have no oil.
You've not seen evidence about Iraq therefore it doesn't exist? Interesting -- I didn't know you were connected directly to the intelligence community or to UNMOVIC. Plus, did it EVER cross your mind that Iraq might be concealing its weapons? Maybe? Is this some form of philosophy -- does the cat in the closed box not exist?
Last time I checked, we weren't completely ignoring the North Koreans, unless you consider the deployment of the USS Carl Vinson battlegroup to the western Pacific and bombers to Guam as "ignoring". Secretary of State Powell was recently in South Korea -- again, obviously ignoring North Korea. Plus, the administration recently addressed a U.S. reconnaissance flight off the North Korean coast, which was OBVIOUSLY ignoring the North Koreans. Please.
Bad news? An opposing viewpoint is bad news? Ah, I see -- freedom of speech for only liberal ideas because only self-proclaimed "progressive" ideas are valid.
My attitude about this whole thing is shifting considerably. I know how bad a guy Saddam is, but these days I can't justify a long, costly war to pull him out. Let the Iraqi's deal with him.
Let the Iraqis deal with him, eh? Tell that to the Iranians and the Kuwaitis, not to mention the thousands of Shia and Kurds he's killed within his country. Bah, let the Euros deal with Hitler!
Why are people for this war? I understand supporting the armed forces...I have the utmost respect for those willing to die for their country. But come on...we don't stand to gain anything by this war except oil. Inhumane bullshit happens all over the world in non-oil rich countries..why aren't we pushing for "regime changes" in such places? If you're gonna send people to die at least be honest about why they're going.
Inhumane bullshit does happen all over the world, but in this particular instance, the inhumane bullshit has included CHEMICAL WEAPONS. Since the dictator involved has also invaded two other countries within twenty years (and he's not been in power much longer), there's a certain danger to the entire region. Yes, that region is essential to the world's economies because of oil production, but the world's economies are somewhat important to the health and welfare of the entire planet, wouldn't you say? Stability in that region is important and having a megalomaniac dictator with access to ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction tends to be a bit destabilizing especially when combined with his history of disregard for international norms and borders.
And I'm sorry but I have not seen enough convincing evidence about Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" other than a few pea shooter missiles that can't even hit Israel. North Korea has come out publicly with their nuclear program, dismissed their weapons inspectors, and openly made threats against us. Why are we completely ignoring them? Because they have no oil.
You've not seen evidence about Iraq therefore it doesn't exist? Interesting -- I didn't know you were connected directly to the intelligence community or to UNMOVIC. Plus, did it EVER cross your mind that Iraq might be concealing its weapons? Maybe? Is this some form of philosophy -- does the cat in the closed box not exist?
Last time I checked, we weren't completely ignoring the North Koreans, unless you consider the deployment of the USS Carl Vinson battlegroup to the western Pacific and bombers to Guam as "ignoring". Secretary of State Powell was recently in South Korea -- again, obviously ignoring North Korea. Plus, the administration recently addressed a U.S. reconnaissance flight off the North Korean coast, which was OBVIOUSLY ignoring the North Koreans. Please.
Some Iraqis have tried to get rid of Saddam
"...The regime has a long record of executing perceived opponents allegedly involved in plotting against President Hussein, including high-ranking civilian, military, and tribal leaders, as well as members of his family and clan.
An attempted coup d?état in March 1995 was organized by Maj.-Gen. (retd) Wafiq al-Samaraii, the head of Iraqi military intelligence during the Gulf War, was followed by widescale executions, arrests and collective punishment.
After Saddam's daughters and his sons-in-law, Lieutenant-General Hussein Kamel [head of Iraq?s special weapons program] and Colonel Saddam Kamel al-Majid, defected to Jordan in August 1995, the Government reportedly arrested scores of midlevel military and civilian officials for their association with the defectors.
The two sons-in-law of President Saddam Hussein, Hussein Kamel and Saddam Kamel, were brutally murdered on 23 February 1996, just three days after they had returned to Iraq apparently believing the President's promise of pardon for their defection to Jordan in August 1995. Shortly after entering Iraq, the two and over 40 relatives, including women and children, were killed in whatthe official Iraqi press described as the spontaneous administration of tribal justice. Other members of the al-Majid clan were also arrested or disappeared.
A large number of military officers were arrested at the end of June 1996 on suspicion of plotting to overthrow the regime. Some 400 officers of various ranks were executed, including some senior Republican Guard officers, notably Brigadier General Ata Samaw'al who is said to have been the commander of the Special Communications Unit attached to the Office of the President. These executions were ordered directly by Saddam Hussein and supervised by his eldest son, Uday.
Iraqi troops executed 96 members of an Iraqi opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress (INC), in the Koshtape suburb of Arbil after capturing them on 31 August 1996. Following the withdrawal of Iraqi military troops from Arbil on 2 September 1996, members of the Iraqi intelligence forces stayed behind in the city where they rounded up suspected Iraqi opposition activists. In retaliation, US forces attacked southern Iraq with cruise missiles and expanded the southern flight-exclusion zone in Iraq from the 32nd to the 33rd parallel.
Mass arrests and many executions followed the attempted assassination of the President's eldest son, Uday Hussein, on 12 December 1996. Arrests and detentions without judicial orders numbered in the thousands cutting across all military forces and security services, the Baath Party, tribal leaders close to the President, and even extending to within the President's immediate family.
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They and their familes are now all dead.
The situation with Saddam has been going on for twelve years now. It is time is was ended. He was given his final chance to comply, he didn't. Name one of those countries you mention, let's have the details and compare it directly to Iraq. List especially the ones with UN resolutions that promise serious consequences if the UN demands are not met.
How many times do people have to be told that cookie cutter diplomancy is stupid? The situations are different, their neighbors are different. The policy to deal with them will be different. It really isn't that hard to comprehend.
You are of course correct that N.Korea does not have oil. They do however have ~10,000 artillery pieces aimed at Seoul South Korea.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
Fox is just the epitome of Yellow Journalism but that's because it's owner Rupert Murdoch has made a fortune out of sensationalistic journalism. Unfortunateley all other News Stations followshis business model to the point where they are no better than his stations. FOX is just electronic American versions of Murdochs flagship, the Sun Star.