Honda: Odometers too fast, Settle Lawsuit

[Mermaidman]

6 million Hondas 2002 and newer have defective odometers that rolled too fast. Honda will extend warranties and reimburse lease customers.

Does this mean that Hondas are slower than advertised?

News Article--Nissan also sued; Toyota odometers are slower (yippee!), and domestics OK.

 

[Quasmo]

I'm glad mine is fast, probably keeps me from getting tickets. I have a Nissan Pathfinder, and the car runs about 3mph slower than what it says.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: Quasmo
I'm glad mine is fast, probably keeps me from getting tickets. I have a Nissan Pathfinder, and the car runs about 3mph slower than what it says.

That's a speedometer. The odometer measures mileage.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: Quasmo
I'm glad mine is fast, probably keeps me from getting tickets. I have a Nissan Pathfinder, and the car runs about 3mph slower than what it says.

That's a speedometer. The odometer measures mileage.

Are the two devices related though? I don't know how car speed is measured.

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: Quasmo
I'm glad mine is fast, probably keeps me from getting tickets. I have a Nissan Pathfinder, and the car runs about 3mph slower than what it says.

That's a speedometer. The odometer measures mileage.

My bad, read it wrong. It's still 3mph faster.

 

[lozina]

I got the letter a couple of weeks ago. It is such a negligible difference I just ingored it and threw it away

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: Quasmo
My bad, read it wrong. It's still 3mph faster.

3mph faster FTW!

 

[radioouman]

Honda speedometers read too fast too. Generally it seems like a 3mph difference in my experience.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Quasmo

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: Quasmo
I'm glad mine is fast, probably keeps me from getting tickets. I have a Nissan Pathfinder, and the car runs about 3mph slower than what it says.

That's a speedometer. The odometer measures mileage.

My bad, read it wrong. It's still 3mph faster.

3 MPH faster at what speed?

Speedometer errors are by percentage, not by a set amount. So if it's off by 5%, it reads 5 MPH +/- at 100 MPH, but only 2.5 MPH +/- at 50 MPH

 

[DivideBYZero]

In the UK they have to read faster(the speedometer), but no more than 10%, to avoid under reading. It's easy enough to adjust, if you want to do 70 you do an indicated 77.

 

[Amused]

As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

Ahh, well this guy is an Automotive Jack Thomson in that case.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

Ahh, well this guy is an Automotive Jack Thomson in that case.

/me passes out the tyre irons

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

It's hypocritical for the industry take advantage of the 4% allowance for the odometer, but strictly enforce leasing mileage and warranty mileage rules.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

Ahh, well this guy is an Automotive Jack Thomson in that case.

No sh!t. I guess settling was far cheaper for Honda to settle with a silly 5% increase to warranties than fighting. It's just sad that they couldn't fight it, then force this guy to reimburse them when he loses.

The odometers were WELL within industry standards.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

It's hypocritical for the industry take advantage of the 4% allowance for the odometer, but strictly enforce leasing mileage and warranty mileage rules.

They weren't taking advantage of anything. The errors were all over the place within 4%+/- with most falling within 1% +/-.

Before you start into some conspiracy theory, know that the cost to calibrate all these odometers to just under 4% + would be FAR more than the cost they would save on warranties and leases.

The 4% window is there because it's very costly to be exact. Not because of any big evil corporate conspiracy.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

Ahh, well this guy is an Automotive Jack Thomson in that case.

No sh!t. I guess settling was far cheaper for Honda to settle with a silly 5% increase to warranties than fighting. It's just sad that they couldn't fight it, then force this guy to reimburse them when he loses.

The odometers were WELL within industry standards.

Yeah, it's all stupid as it amounts to ~6 weeks extra warranty on a 3 year plan. Big effing deal.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

It's hypocritical for the industry take advantage of the 4% allowance for the odometer, but strictly enforce leasing mileage and warranty mileage rules.

They weren't taking advantage of anything. The errors were all over the place within 4%+/- with most falling within 1% +/-.

Before you start into some conspiracy theory, know that the cost to calibrate all these odometers to just under 4% + would be FAR more than the cost they would save on warranties and leases.

The 4% window is there because it's very costly to be exact. Not because of any big evil corporate conspiracy.

Good points. In that case, I think car companies should just be lenient when it comes to warranty claims that occur just outside the time/mileage windows. I hate it when something breaks right after the warranty expires.

 

[MrBond]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: Quasmo
I'm glad mine is fast, probably keeps me from getting tickets. I have a Nissan Pathfinder, and the car runs about 3mph slower than what it says.

That's a speedometer. The odometer measures mileage.

It's pronounced "thermometer"

So letters have already been sent out? I've got a couple friends who have Honda's that fall under this. One of them is leasing and the other's warranty is about to expire.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

It is within the standard, but the standard seems a little lax if American car companies are able to get their odometers dead on, and Honda was able to improve the accuracy of their odometers because of the lawsuit.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: MrBond
It's pronounced "thermometer"

Not sure what you're getting at.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

It's hypocritical for the industry take advantage of the 4% allowance for the odometer, but strictly enforce leasing mileage and warranty mileage rules.

They weren't taking advantage of anything. The errors were all over the place within 4%+/- with most falling within 1% +/-.

Before you start into some conspiracy theory, know that the cost to calibrate all these odometers to just under 4% + would be FAR more than the cost they would save on warranties and leases.

The 4% window is there because it's very costly to be exact. Not because of any big evil corporate conspiracy.

Yeah I'm sure it was just random that the odometer averaged 3.75% error on the high sided but only %1 on the low sided.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

It is within the standard, but the standard seems a little lax if American car companies are able to get their odometers dead on, and Honda was able to improve the accuracy of their odometers because of the lawsuit.

Yes, at greater cost.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

being within industry standard doesn't mean the standard isn't wrong.

the fact that the most strapped for cash automakers on the planet could get it right is a big chunk of evidence against honda.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Amused
As for the story...

It figures a lawyer started this. The cars were within the 4% industry standard.

being within industry standard doesn't mean the standard isn't wrong.

the fact that the most strapped for cash automakers on the planet could get it right is a big chunk of evidence against honda.

Six weeks.