Honda Element

mithrandir2001

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I plan on replacing my Accord this August/September when the 2004 models hit the dealer lots. Element is currently #1 on my short list.

Ugly? No, it's too consciously anti-establishment to be ugly. My first glimpses of the concept Model X were met with repulsion but since then, like a tannic wine that needs some breathing room, the Element's appearance has grown on me. I think it actually looks attractive in Sunset Orange, which is my top color pick at the moment.

I think Honda hit a home run here, style controversy aside. Its 75 cu ft of cargo space belies the fact that it's shorter than a Civic Coupe. What other vehicle in this price range can accommodate so much cargo conveniently? Unlike a pickup truck everything is covered and if you don't have a lot of cargo, you can fit 4 adults comfortably. Rear legroom and headroom are almost limo-like. The load floor is flat and can be wiped-clean. You can fit two bikes in the rear cargo area with their front wheels still attached. The rear seats can be uninstalled and hung up with carabiners or removed completely. The seats can all fold flat to form a makeshift bed (good for napping). In 4WD models, you can technically poke tall objects through the removable cargo area sunroof. Most interior surfaces are rubberized and resistant to wear. In true Honda form, the interior doesn't look or feel cheap and build quality is excellent. The sound system even features an adjustable subwoofer and has an input jack for MP3 devices.

Element is based on the CR-V which is based on the Civic. No wallowey truck-like ride here. While I haven't driven an Element, it supposedly has better road manners than the CR-V, thanks to firmer suspension settings. Coming from an Accord, I want a car-derived ute. I am not really interested in Jeep-like abilities. Element has the same silky 2.4L i-VTEC I-4 as the Accord and CR-V and features a rally shifter like the Civic Si. Truck-like capacity, car-like operation. I LIKE!!! The IIHS has given Element a "Best Pick" designation because of its excellent crash performance.

An 4WD EX 5spd model goes for about $20,500 MSRP. Tack on another $1000 for accessories and you are still looking at an affordable vehicle for what it can do.

But the #1 reason for considering the Element? It's a Honda. :D

Honda has some improvements to make, however. The composite body panels appear to be problematic and either discolor or peel over time. They will have to resolve this pronto. The manual gearbox is very much geared toward performance and has a short 5th gear. The engine turns over at 3800rpm when travelling at 80mph. As a result, 5spd Elements don't achieve superlative fuel economy. It's rated at 21/25. There is no moonroof over the front passengers. You can't get a 6CD in-dash changer, just a stupid old 8CD magazine style kind. Element can only hold 4 passengers, not 5.

I had been considering the CR-V but the Element has more function, generally costs less and doesn't have that overtly feminine look. Still a consideration though.

Also considering the Subaru Forrester and Vibe/Matrix.

Out of consideration (after testing) is the Saturn Vue. Crap build quality and some of the vaguest steering I've yet experienced.

Honda is targeting the Element for a 22yr old male. Good luck. Kids don't have money for new vehicles like this. I'm 30 and I'm probably on the younger side of the average Element buyer. I think the Element will attract the 40 year old set who value great function and low price, style be damned.
 

Ryan

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Sounds good, I agree with you. The only thing I'm concerned about is, in some of the reviews I have read, the main complaint was the plastic body panels - they can discolor easily. Anyway, it's a great vehicle :)
 

Dudd

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Go for it, at least if you don't mind half the people who you pass to point at it and wonder what the hell you were thinking. BTW, what does this mean?

Ugly? No, it's too consciously anti-establishment to be ugly.

That sounds like something from Honda's marketing team. Sounds good, but means nothing.
 

Sundog

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If you want one, get one...plain and simple.



IMO it is still the ugliest new vehicle on the market.....blech...
 

guapo337

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good choice. i wish my father would buy that instead of a freaking 1963 land rover.
 

olds

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My wife works at the local Honda dealer. They thought it would be young people buying the Element as the commercials are targeting them. Most of the buyers are men in their 40's.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: Sundog
Originally posted by: mithrandir2001 belies the fact that it's shorter than a Civic Coupe.
Which means you can not tow jack sh$t with it.

It's not meant to tow anything (well, besides a jet ski or somehting small).

I have seen 2 of them at my local high school - you people do buy them :D
 

Sundog

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Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Sundog
Originally posted by: mithrandir2001 belies the fact that it's shorter than a Civic Coupe.
Which means you can not tow jack sh$t with it.

It's not meant to tow anything (well, besides a jet ski or somehting small).

I have seen 2 of them at my local high school - you people do buy them :D

You people??? I think not, what you see at your HS is mommy and daddy buying vehicles for their kids. In my HS it was Jaguars, BMWs and Mercs.....
Puke:disgust:
 

mithrandir2001

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Originally posted by: Dudd
Go for it, at least if you don't mind half the people who you pass to point at it and wonder what the hell you were thinking. BTW, what does this mean?

Ugly? No, it's too consciously anti-establishment to be ugly.

That sounds like something from Honda's marketing team. Sounds good, but means nothing.
The difference is that Pontiac thought the Aztek was cool looking but Honda figured "it's a box, let's not make it something it isn't".

The other side of the coin is design safety (which Honda falls into too often). Look at the Ford Escape. Boring. "We couldn't afford an Explorer or a Freelander so we bought the baby version."
 

conjur

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I might get an Element if I was in the market for a new vehicle. The only drawback for me is the 4-passenger seating. If it could seat 5 passengers, I think it would be a bigger seller. I heard that complaint from some people in my month 'on the floor' at a Honda dealership. It's the same chassis/powerplant as the CR-V but way more stylish, imo.
 

JACKHAMMER

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I like the element alot, I would probably choose a forester over it though. Good Luck, and I hope you enjoy whatever you get


P.S. Forester XT (turbo) come out next month :)
 

rh71

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My dad test drove it (I was there) and he said it drove great. The horses under the hood were plenty for a 4-banger. We ended up not even considering it because:

1) Only 4 passenger capacity
2) Price for only a 4 passenger capacity (~$20k) **biggest concern**
3) Bumper-to-Bumper warranty not as good as Mazda that he settled on
4) Flooring in the interior
5) No 4WD for that ?

As much as this vehicle seems to be for the young weekend-adventurer-type... you're right about the target age thing. Every Element I've seen on the road is a 40-year old+ ... I think 20-year olds either go for the sportier looking SUVs or sports cars if they have $20k to spend to begin with.
 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
My wife works at the local Honda dealer. They thought it would be young people buying the Element as the commercials are targeting them. Most of the buyers are men in their 40's.

It's called a second childhood. These are the same guys that bid $7,000 on a Schwinn Stingray on Ebay cuz they had one as a kid.
 

guapo337

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
My wife works at the local Honda dealer. They thought it would be young people buying the Element as the commercials are targeting them. Most of the buyers are men in their 40's.

It's called a second childhood. These are the same guys that bid $7,000 on a Schwinn Stingray on Ebay cuz they had one as a kid.

and eat the $50 hamburgers and $20 macaroni and cheese served at those new restuarants catering "kids food" to the adults in a sophisticated way..

 

Siddhartha

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I would not buy a car from its first production cycle. It is best to give the manufacturer a year or two to work out the bugs.
 

freebee

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Since you are considering a forester also...while its a great car, its getting a little too expensive to be a good buy anymore. Considering turbo foresters are probably going to be near 30 grand fully loaded, or about 25 for non-turbos...its a little extreme. Also, a word of caution, the forester is very small compared to the element.

But, you will outrun most cars with the 2.5 turbo. And modifications are readily available both from Sti and aftermarket tuners.
 

LiQiCE

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Originally posted by: mithrandir2001
Honda is targeting the Element for a 22yr old male. Good luck. Kids don't have money for new vehicles like this. I'm 30 and I'm probably on the younger side of the average Element buyer. I think the Element will attract the 40 year old set who value great function and low price, style be damned.

$20K is not a lot for a 22 year old college graduate making ~$35K a year. With a 5 year loan, 5.9% interest and a $2000 down payment (reasonable), the monthly payments are only $366/month, perfectly easy to achieve, especially if you don't have to spend money on rent (Read: living w/ parents).

I'm 23, but when I was 22 I bought the car in my sig. Which is a bit more than the Element! I maintain a mortgage payment on a house too ... So maybe I'm the exception to the rule.

But anyways, I think the reason 22 year olds aren't buying the car is because of one simple thing ... Other SUV type vehicles, which are priced only slightly higher, you get alot more power under the hood. Simply put, even with SUVs, most 22 year old guys are looking for something "fast" ... or at least reasonably fast. The I4 on the Element doesn't sound very attractive. Those people in that age range that aren't looking for an SUV are going to be getting something like a WRX, RSX, or a Mazda 6 ... (or maybe an SRT-4 now).

Considering most people think the SRT-4 will be a huge hit with kids (teenagers!), and the pricetag is ~$19,900 ... its not a far cry from your $20K for the Element.

Just my 2 cents.
 

mithrandir2001

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Originally posted by: LiQiCE
Originally posted by: mithrandir2001
Honda is targeting the Element for a 22yr old male. Good luck. Kids don't have money for new vehicles like this. I'm 30 and I'm probably on the younger side of the average Element buyer. I think the Element will attract the 40 year old set who value great function and low price, style be damned.

$20K is not a lot for a 22 year old college graduate making ~$35K a year. With a 5 year loan, 5.9% interest and a $2000 down payment (reasonable), the monthly payments are only $366/month, perfectly easy to achieve, especially if you don't have to spend money on rent (Read: living w/ parents).

I'm 23, but when I was 22 I bought the car in my sig. Which is a bit more than the Element! I maintain a mortgage payment on a house too ... So maybe I'm the exception to the rule.
Hmmm. I bought my first new car when I was 24. I spent about $16.5K on a Civic EX coupe and I was making $39K at the time...and I was living with my parents. Looking back, I feel guilty for spending that kind of money on a car despite having those financial credentials. Some might say, "huh? You were living on easy street," but I think it's just not prudent for a young person, with student loans, with no measurable assets set aside for retirement or home purchase, to commit that much future income to a vehicle. The whole "new college grad rebate" thing is just a trap to make you think you are entitled to a new vehicle simply because you earned your degree. Now that I am 30, I am a bit more conservative about my finances and how to allocate my earnings.

I know plenty of 22 year old college grads who don't "have it together". Crappy job, loans, credit card debt. A $20K vehicle just isn't in the cards...maybe a few years ago during the boom, but certainly not now.
 

iamwiz82

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do yourself a favor and take your nail and scratch the grey plastic cladding. You will notice that it scratches VERY easily and it is very visible.
 

dirtboy

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At 30 I'd be considering a BMW or some other sport/lux type vehicle rather than an Element.
 

KokomoGST

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Ack, I just saw 3 Honda Elements in the span of one drive today... my right eye is now bloodshot. I'm dead serious.