Homosexuality is related to pedophilia?

[bfdd]

i thought being catholic was related to pedophilia. the more you know

 

[zsdersw]

New York City investigated sexual abuse in schools and found around 20% of sexual abuse was done by homosexuals - way out of proportion to the less than 3% of the population the CDC says they represent

Show me proof of this that's not sponsored by the Family Research Council or the Traditional Values folks or similarly biased organizations.

.. and show me some proof that homosexuals are more likely to be child molesters than heterosexuals, cuz I'm calling "bullshit" on all of that.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you were to investigate how much of New Orleans was rebuilt, you'd find it was largely done by people who saw it as a way of serving god and man. Likewise Haiti. People quietly going about doing good. Perhaps that's why you haven't found them. For the most part they aren't interested in their 15 minutes of fame.

In many a anti religious thread where the attack is on the existence of God, I point out that it is church people who live longer, report better emotional health, and account for more social help to the poor than any other group. There is a difference between religion driven by love and religious guilt created by the fear of hell and the hope of personal gain.

In short there are religious folk in name who are greedy for heaven and pretend to be good and religious folk who feel in the love of God an echo of their own true nature.

Or, there is a sick side to religion and a healthy side. Those who are sick or see only the sick side and know nothing about the other.

While there are two sides to religion, we are talking here about something that is deeply sick. Focus on that, while it might persuade fools to think all religious life is sick, does not destroy what is good in religion. This evil needs to be addressed though, because the church is creating generation after generation of molesters. It is a school for aberrant sexual behavior and is constantly creating new offenders. We don't see this fucking illness in churches that allow married priests etc. Celibate priests is a world wide Catholic disease.

 

[Patranus]

It's true the molester priests aren't pedophiles but homosexual pederasts. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The priests were molesting teen boys. The best proof what the Boy Scouts do is correct is what happened in the Church (it used to allow homosexuals if they were celibate - it had to ban them in 2005 after all the scandals and the infiltration of the seminaries).

I usually don't like to participate in 'religion' threads because I really don't care but I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Moonbeam]

Is not LR Catholic?

He doesn't count. He is a real Catholic.

 

[Moonbeam]

I usually don't like to participate in 'religion' threads because I really don't care but I couldn't have said it better myself.

Exactly, you could pass on an opportunity to expose your bigoted ass.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He doesn't count. He is a real Catholic.

I don't know what a "real" Catholic is, however I assume his religion has some value to him. It seems best to me to attack the source of the problem (which in this case aren't churches, but having a church which is foolishly administered). I do not see people why people who act properly ought to be punished.

Those who are guilty ought to face justice, and the Catholic Church needs to reform itself, and if legal action is required, so be it.

That said, I would rather see reclamation than utter destruction. The problem with the way the Church is set up is that it causes the innocent to be harmed.

Does it seem a good thing in your heart to ruin those who have done no harm?

The status quo cannot be allowed to stand, but extermination doesn't seem the best solution.

 

[mattpegher]

The problem is that everyone wants to find causal relationships that suggest that the institution in question should be disbanded. Whether it be pedo-priests or the not so simple questions of theology. Celibacy may be a noble concept but it is a difficult goal, so encourage it but offer alternatives to those who find they cannot. Whenever human nature adulterates the principles of an ideal, it is not a logical deduction that there is no workable solution to the problem. Even communism is workable in small groups.
The fault is that the Vatican refuses to see the reality and instead focusses on the ideal.

 

[Patranus]

Exactly, you could pass on an opportunity to expose your bigoted ass.

Huh?

By definition, if you have a Y chromosome and you do sexual things to someone with a Y chromosome you are a homosexual.

Not really sure how agreeing with this makes me a bigoted ass.

Please explain.

 

[1prophet]

While everyone likes to point to the Catholic church for its sexual abuses and cover ups and blame religion, celibacy, churches, etc. , how are you going to deal with the much bigger elephant in the room few are willing to discuss and neither the state nor the federal government knows of a way to prevent it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102100144_pf.html

An Associated Press investigation found more than 2,500 cases over five years in which educators were punished for actions from bizarre to sadistic.

There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators _ nearly three for every school day _ speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.

Most of the abuse never gets reported. Those cases reported often end with no action. Cases investigated sometimes can't be proven, and many abusers have several victims.

And no one _ not the schools, not the courts, not the state or federal governments _ has found a surefire way to keep molesting teachers out of classrooms.

Those are the findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators _ the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80 percent of those were students. At least half the educators who were punished by their states also were convicted of crimes related to their misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

Clergy abuse is part of the national consciousness after a string of highly publicized cases. But until now, there's been little sense of the extent of educator abuse.

Beyond the horror of individual crimes, the larger shame is that the institutions that govern education have only sporadically addressed a problem that's been apparent for years.

"From my own experience _ this could get me in trouble _ I think every single school district in the nation has at least one perpetrator. At least one," says Mary Jo McGrath, a California lawyer who has spent 30 years investigating abuse and misconduct in schools. "It doesn't matter if it's urban or rural or suburban."

One report mandated by Congress estimated that as many as 4.5 million students, out of roughly 50 million in American schools, are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarten and 12th grade. That figure includes verbal harassment that's sexual in nature.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml

Now, on the heels of the Catholic abuse scandal comes another of historic proportions—one that has the potential to be much greater and far-reaching. According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.

Charol Shakeshaft, the Hofstra University scholar who prepared the report, said the number of abuse cases—which range from unwanted sexual comments to rape—could be much higher.

"So we think the Catholic Church has a problem?" she told industry newspaper Education Week in a March 10 interview.

To support her contention, Shakeshaft compared the priest abuse data with data collected in a national survey for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000. Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000. That compares with about five decades of cases of abusive priests.

Such figures led her to contend "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

 

[Kappo]

Why do you guys get upset when the church says something to CYA/deflect, but eat that crap up when Obama does it?

 

[mattpegher]

I think your right 1prophet, any time you have unsupervised adult-child interactions there is a chance that sexual abuse will occur. The layperson numbers actually exceed the clergy cases dramaticly, it is the vaticans refusal to act responsibly about these cases that is most damaging. Sure there are many that attack the institution for reasons other than simply the abuse or even the mishandling/coverup. And the Vatican is rather unbending in nature. You also have to understand that the church is all about forgiving ones prior sins and hoping that the perpetrator will be able to avoid any future events. This is a bit foolhardy, without some program to deal with the urges/drives.
Lastly, the church needs to realize that it must abide by the rules and laws of society, esp in modern western societies that actually protect their right to exist.

 

[Vette73]

Why do you guys get upset when the church says something to CYA/deflect, but eat that crap up when Obama does it?

YES!!! I was wondering how someone would deflect this AND bring up Obama.


You win the prize Kappo

 

[JEDIYoda]

LOL this is typical fear-mongering from the Catholic douches, trying to deflect attention from themselves.

Heck, I was told recently that Catholics love beastiality.

so let me guess -- you rushed to join the catholic church since beastiality is prefered expression of sexual desire in your family....

 

[Kappo]

YES!!! I was wondering how someone would deflect this AND bring up Obama.


You win the prize Kappo

Im more curious about the hatred you have for a group that does the same thing you do, just to a different God.

Mad that their version of human control is almost as effective as the one on you?

 

[Fox5]

Everyone knows it's the little boys seducing the Priests! It's a family problem, not a church problem.

:sarcasm, but this is what a few of my older relatives believe, and my family is catholic:

 

[ShawnD1]

senior Vatican official linking homosexuality to child abuse.

So now they're saying the Catholic church is filled with gays? Um ok I guess. I'm not sure how this is important.

Why do people even listen to what the vatican says? At this point, the Catholic church has less credibility than Alex Jones (youtube search him for lulz)
-they said Gallileo was wrong
-they said condoms do nothing to prevent AIDS
-they denied evolution for a very long time

The pope and his crew can basically be summed up as a group of trolls. Trolling is all they do. They get pleasure out of making people angry.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Show me proof of this that's not sponsored by the Family Research Council or the Traditional Values folks or similarly biased organizations.

.. and show me some proof that homosexuals are more likely to be child molesters than heterosexuals, cuz I'm calling "bullshit" on all of that.

It's from the NY Post:

SECRET SHAME OF OUR SCHOOLS: SEXUAL ABUSE OF STUDENTS RUNS RAMPANT


... and seems to be quoted endlessly over the last ten years in Fundie World.





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[Nemesis 1]

Its all related to mans evil heart.

 

[zsdersw]

Ah yes, that little gem. I guess since it happened in NYC it must be the same everywhere else.

 

[Moonbeam]

If :

"It's true the molester priests aren't pedophiles but homosexual pederasts. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The priests were molesting teen boys. The best proof what the Boy Scouts do is correct is what happened in the Church (it used to allow homosexuals if they were celibate - it had to ban them in 2005 after all the scandals and the infiltration of the seminaries)."

equals:

"By definition, if you have a Y chromosome and you do sexual things to someone with a Y chromosome you are a homosexual."

in your opinion, then:

"how that makes you a bigoted ass?"

would in fact be open to question, it would leave no doubt at all that you're an idiot.

Not really sure how agreeing with this makes me a bigoted ass.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hayabusa Rider: I don't know what a "real" Catholic is, however I assume his religion has some value to him. It seems best to me to attack the source of the problem (which in this case aren't churches, but having a church which is foolishly administered). I do not see people why people who act properly ought to be punished.

M: I don't see how people who act properly can ever be punished, in this world or the next. But the structure of Christian faith with it, men of God who don't have real jobs, and real world physical structure creates a situation ripe for abuse. The need for money to run the church leads to guilt tripping believers.

Show me the church that takes no money and I'll get on board.

HR:Those who are guilty ought to face justice, and the Catholic Church needs to reform itself, and if legal action is required, so be it.

M: They will do what they can about sexual abuse short of doing away with the demand for celibacy, that is my point. They won't fix the source of the problem.

HR: That said, I would rather see reclamation than utter destruction. The problem with the way the Church is set up is that it causes the innocent to be harmed.

M: Indeed, and the premise set up earlier in the thread I was responding to is that the Church will not change the core problem. Therefore reformation having been taken off the table, leave destruction as the only option. No church is more important than the innocence of children.

HR: Does it seem a good thing in your heart to ruin those who have done no harm?

M: How are you innocent if you support a church that at it's core will not rectify a situation so profoundly unnatural that it leads to the abuse of children. Tough love is tough on everybody.

HR: The status quo cannot be allowed to stand, but extermination doesn't seem the best solution.

M: As I said, the premise I spoke under was that the Church will not change. I believe that is accurate for the time being. The willow bends or it breaks. And the winds are howling. Bring on the legal assaults and bring Moby Dick down.

 

[LumbergTech]

despite portrayals in pop culture, pedophiles are often attracted to adults of the opposite sex in addition to children