Hometown Police Chief mandates more police traffic stops

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Stop in the name of the law: Chief Clay orders Belleville cops to make more traffic stops
BY LAURA GIRRESCH
News-Democrat

Look out, leadfoot.

Belleville police are making more traffic stops because of a new rule that they make two self-initiated contacts per 12-hour shift. Those can include any combination of traffic tickets, traffic warnings and field interview reports.

In January 2010, before the requirement was in place for those assigned to patrol, officers wrote 22 speeding tickets and 13 warning tickets. Last month, the first full month of the new rule, officers wrote 210 speeding tickets and 165 warning tickets.

Also, for all of 2010, police made 2,259 traffic stops. In January, the first full month of the two-contacts-per-day standard, police made 1,603 stops -- 70 percent of last year's total, all in one month.

Police Chief William Clay said it's not just busy work, and it's not about money from tickets. It's his initiative to get officers more proactively engaged with the public. He thinks that's the best way to address crime. In other words, the more contact officers have with the public, the more likely the officers are to find people with drugs, guns or arrest warrants.

And he may be on to something. Though weapons arrests stayed the same, warrant arrests in Belleville were up by 40 percent last month over the same month last year, and cannabis arrests were up 130 percent. Capt. Donald Sax, who provided the statistics, couldn't say exactly how many of the warrants and cannabis arrests came from traffic stops, but he said that's where they usually come from.

About a year-and-a-half before Clay began the requirement in December, he had done away with a long-standing 10-ticket-per-month quota because, at a law-enforcement training seminar for administrators, he heard an expert talk about the benefits of leaving the process alone, and not applying any type of quota. Plus, Clay thought the ticket quota took away from officer discretion.

But then he found out many patrol officers' numbers for tickets, warnings and field interview reports had dropped off dramatically when he took away the quota.

The News-Democrat, through the Illinois Freedom of Information Act, obtained a list of the number of traffic tickets, warnings and field interview reports -- all bunched together in one category -- that individual officers of all ranks made between Jan. 1, 2010, and Nov. 20, before the new two-contacts requirement. For the 67 officers of all ranks in the patrol division, they ranged from one during the time period to 603. Seventeen of them made fewer than 20 contacts. Clay himself had more than seven of the patrol officers, though he admitted it's easier for him to spot violations because he drives an unmarked vehicle.

Clay wants to bring the numbers back. He said his officers won't catch any grief from him if they never write a single traffic ticket. He just wants them to get more involved.

Lt. Ronald Sprinz was the person in the patrol division with only one initiated stop. He said that's because of his position. As a lieutenant, he's at the helm in the office during his shifts, while patrol officers and sergeants are the ones on the streets. The 23-year-veteran of the department said that when he patrolled, he would regularly write 30 traffic tickets per month. He thinks the chief's new rule is a reasonable expectation. And he said that as a whole, the officers on his shift are happy with it.

"I think it's part of the job," Sprinz said.

Though three officers on a recent night shift didn't want to comment on the record. But one of them said that a few officers are complaining about it, but he doesn't think two contacts per shift are any big deal.

Officer Norb Normansell was at the top of the list, with 603. That's three times more than his closest competitor. The most senior officer, with 35 years on the force, he was named the department's Officer of the Year for that and other reasons.

He said that when looking at the numbers, it's important to keep the individual district in mind. He said there aren't as many police reports to take in his district -- Frank Scott Parkway West to Illinois 157 on Main Street, then over to Illinois 161. So, he writes more traffic tickets and warnings than other officers who may be busier taking police reports. He said he hasn't heard any complaints from officers about the new rule.

"The amount of contacts that he's wanting is reasonable, I think," Normansell said.

David Klinger, an associate professor in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, said that a quota for traffic tickets can present questions, such as whether "bureaucracy drives police behavior." He said that just requiring contacts, though, is no different than a sales manager telling his or her staff to make a certain number of cold calls.

"So long as it's that type of a quota, it makes perfect sense," he said.

None of the other metro-east police departments contacted by the News-Democrat, Granite City, Collinsville, O'Fallon, Fairview Heights, and Swansea, have ticket or contact quotas.

But Swansea Police Chief Michael Arnold sees what Clay is getting at.

"Two contacts a day is nothing, it really is," Arnold said. "You can knock that out in the first hour of your shift."

Until two months ago, Collinsville required patrol officers to make 400 contacts during the course of six months, Assistant Police Chief Tom Coppotelli said. Those could be traffic stops, pedestrian or vehicle checks, warrant arrests, or any number of other things. Now, the department leaves it up to supervisors to make sure the officers are being proactive. He said there was no major reason the department stopped the 400-contacts rule, and he said there's no indication that the numbers have dropped off since ending it."

"The chief felt that these guys and gals know what they have to do," Coppotelli said.

The campus police at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign do have a quota -- three contacts per 10-hour shift. Chief Barbara O'Connor, who also is the director of the Police Training Institute at the university, said those can include anything from assisting someone with a flat tire to traffic stops. For her, she said, it's not all about the number of contacts, but also the quality.

"At the end of the day, you're not going to discipline an officer for not doing three contacts," she said.

Belleville police still have to abide by state law and only stop drivers under reasonable suspicion. Beyond speeding and among many other things, that can include headlights being out, no front license plate, no seat belt, loud muffler, loud radio or use of a cell phone in a construction zone.

Though Belleville's new requirement is primarily for officers and sergeants assigned to patrol, Clay expects other officers to step up their numbers as well. He said some commanders of other divisions have their own expectations for traffic stops.

"I'm not giving them anything they can't do," Clay said.
Contact reporter Laura Girresch lgirresch@bnd.com 239-2507.

Belleville is a german settlement town neighboring East St. Louis, an area that rivals Detroit in it's sad state. Belleville was on 60 minutes about 15 years ago for being "the most racist town in america" and was the town where the white kid got beat up on the bus. (video went viral).

Isn't 'mandating' a quota on stops setting a bad precident? I know they are operating under the reality that the town is no where peaceful enough to say "what if the cop doesn't have a reason to pull anybody over his entire shift", but still...
 

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What bothers me is that all the additional time the officers use up doing useless stops of people who are not a danger to anyone takes time away from actual investigation and real police work.

I don't like making these trained law enforcement officers basically glorified tax collectors.
 

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It's amazing how little bad driving is cited. I see no problem with penalizing a higher proportion of it. If you don't want to get a ticket drive properly.

I don't like making these trained law enforcement officers basically glorified tax collectors.

A lot of traffic stops lead to arrests. To me it always seems like scumbags drive worse.
 

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article said:
Police Chief William Clay said it's not just busy work, and it's not about money from tickets. It's his initiative to get officers more proactively engaged with the public. He thinks that's the best way to address crime. In other words, the more contact officers have with the public, the more likely the officers are to find people with drugs, guns or arrest warrants.
This is definitely true. A lot of people are caught because police check their license plate when doing a routine stop.

My silent protest against the photo radar vans on every fucking road is to go the speed limit and use the cruise control. On uneven roads where my crayolla can't control its speed effectively, use third gear instead of drive ;)
 

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If the police need to focus on generating revenue through speed traps and tickets to balance their budget then there are too many cops.

Leave us alone and let us get to work.
 

PokerGuy

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A lot of traffic stops lead to arrests. To me it always seems like scumbags drive worse.

That's fine, but when you set quotas you know the result will inevitably be that innocent people will be hassled and people will be inconvenienced over the smallest of things for no good reason other than to fulfill the quota. I'd rather have the police force doing useful things, thanks.
 

bruceb

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Belleville, in which State ? ... We have one in northern New Jersey
 

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I've got to wonder how the h3ll somebody can be on duty for 12 hours and not see a single incident that justifies a traffic stop?

I can understand if the person is busy running from one compaint to another, but how you can just drive around in your cruiser for 12 hours and not see anything? If this is ocurring with any regularity it's should be clear you have too many patrol cops.

I think the execution of these stops is what should be focued on. Just randomly stopping someone to make 'contact' hoping that some have outstanding warrents or reek of pot etc strikes me as a violation of the 4th and likely a general, and unnecessary, nuisance to the public.

Fern
 

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I've got to wonder how the h3ll somebody can be on duty for 12 hours and not see a single incident that justifies a traffic stop?
news flash: police drive police cars

People drive like retards around police, and I'm pretty sure police get a kick out of it just to see how stupid some people will act. For example, there's a road I frequently drive on where the speed limit is 100km/h (about 62mph) and it's well posted at every ramp on both sides of the road. Police regularly get on that road and go 80km/h (50mph) which is so far below the speed limit that even Chinese immigrants fresh off the boat are like "wtf go faster you assholes". Even though the cops are clearly going well below the posted limit, NOBODY passes them. You also never lane change in front of a cop; slow down then go behind the cop.
When police are not on the road, everybody resumes the usual 100-110km/h, lane splitting, insurance fraud (brake checking), and not stopping for pedestrians or red lights or stop signs.
 

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Belleville was on 60 minutes about 15 years ago for being "the most racist town in america" and was the town where the white kid got beat up on the bus.

I'm sure there are those on here that will tell you that there was nothing racist about that attack.
 

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What bothers me is that all the additional time the officers use up doing useless stops of people who are not a danger to anyone takes time away from actual investigation and real police work.

I don't like making these trained law enforcement officers basically glorified tax collectors.

As I saw 3 people pulled over on the way home from the gym last night, I was thinking about what a good idea it really is in these times for them to issues more citations.

There is never a shortage of reckless, ignorant drivers you could pull over and give tickets to. Not all police officers are out on patrol as detectives, so I don't really see much problem with this.

I would take issue w\ speed cameras though :) If I'm going to get a ticket, I don't want it to be by proxy.
 

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I have no problem telling them to increase the amount of tickets given if the chief believes that they can give out more, but the idea of quotas is a bit much, possibly leading to borderline citations just so they can try to stay out of hot water with the chief.
 

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They're not quotas, they are actually performance standards.:awe:

When performance standards go to far.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7583991

BROOKLYN (WABC) -- Two New York City police officers are accused of filing false charges and then lying about it.
The officers charged work in the 81st precinct in Brooklyn.
That's the same precinct now fighting allegations of police quotas.



Are higher-ups putting extra pressure on cops to file charges? Eyewitness News asks: could there be a connection to the arrest of these two officers and the increasing criticism that quotas are pressuring cops to write up innocent people?
Sgt. Raymond Stukes and Officer Hector Tirado left the courthouse after pleading not guilty to charges stemming from an internal affairs sting.
Among the charges are, according to the indictment, "perjury" and "filing a false report".
It's alleged the two stopped a man carrying packs of counterfeit cigarettes and then slapped him with bogus charges of selling the illegal smokes.
The man they falsely arrested was an undercover inspector trying to conduct an unrelated sting operation.
The 81st precinct has been in the spotlight following allegations made by Officer Andrian Schoolcraft, that a quota system enforced by threat of discipline is pressuring cops to make false arrests.
"They're swearing out to crimes and violations they never observed and that's exactly what Sgt. Stukes is charged with swearing out to crimes he never even saw," said attorney, Gerald Cohen.
Attorney Gerald Cohen recently filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of clients whom he claims are victims of quota-driven bogus arrests.
"Fabricate cases against individuals because they have to meet quotas and if they don't meet these quotas we are finding more and more there is retaliation," Cohen said.
Earlier this year, Eyewitness News investigated similar claims of quotas at the 41st precinct in the Bronx.
Officers there told Eyewitness News they faced disciplinary action if they failed to make 20 summonses and one arrest a month, a threat underscored by an audio tape of a supervisor at roll call.
"25 & 1, 35 & 1 and until you decide to quit this job to go to work at a pizza Hut, this is what you're going to be doing tell then. Do you understand," said the recording.
The NYPD insists it has no quota system, but like most business, it has performance standards.
As for the two officers, the NYPD says their arrest is part of an on-going investigation.
An attorney for one of the officers says looks forward to his client being exonerated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3mmuZsHmv8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LRoI4gBA1k
 

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If incident response time or effectiveness in preventing serious crime is at all negatively impacted by this, not only should this change in policy be repealed but the police chief should be fired.
 

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