Homeowner arrested after the burglar he confronted falls 30ft

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  1. BrunoPuntzJones

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    From London

    I'm not really sure what to say. So I guess you have the right to defend yourself and your house, but you can't use a gun or force. Bad guy gets hurt, then he becomes the victim and the homeowner can go to jail the rest of his life.

    I read this elsewhere, and it sounded about right. I wasn't even sure it was satire considering what that nation is becoming. Guess they need to include cameras in houses now since having them on every corner didn't help.

     
  2. GoPackGo

    GoPackGo Diamond Member

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    Can't use force?

    BS...you broke into my house. I have no idea what you are up to?

    What should I do ask? Get it in writing? Play Lets make a Deal?

    Gee...you know what you lose your rights when you Break into MY house!
     
  3. miketheidiot

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    i don't think anyone disagrees with using force for self defense, its when people go all vigilante and go out of the way to kill them instead of pursuing proper means once its all under control. It sounds like in this case, the individual in question tossed the intruder out the window and is certainly worth having a further look.
     
  4. Jaskalas

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    There have been plenty of cases where if the attacker doesn't take your life or the life of your family then the court will finish the job for them. Apparently you can't be the victim if you're still breathing.
     
  5. GoPackGo

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    You break into MY house and come between ME and MY Family you will be lucky if all that happens is you getting tossed out the window....

    They really should start passing tough shit laws for criminal behavior.
     
  6. ProfJohn

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    I can?t imagine an American jury finding anyone guilty for what this guy did, but who knows in England.
     
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    I am not surprised if there is ever an American jury convict homeowners for hurting a burglar, sleazy lawyers manipulate which evidence get presented in court.
     
  8. Nebor

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    There is no right to self defense in England. The government has a monopoly on the use of force.
     
  9. jackace

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    I remember hearing about a story where a robber came into a house through a skylight window and he fell and broke his ankle, leg, or something. The robber sued the home owner and won because he left something in the middle of the room the thief landed on. This happened in America
     
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    Sounds like an urban legend.
     
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    I'm all for the use of deadly force on intruders. How you attain that force, I'm going to leave it up to the home owner to decide.
     
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    My above comment might have been an urban legend, but I found a site that lists a bunch of "frivolous lawsuits"

    http://www.wellingtonpublicati...ponsibility/part1.html

     
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    Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
  14. Nebor

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    Did you really just cite a bunch of high school student urban legends as proof? :confused:
     
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    Note to self: Move to London while practicing to be a cat burgler.
     
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    Just think... That guy won't be robbing your house when he gets out of jail...

    I applaud the dude... Think how much tax payers money he will be saving while not having to go through trials and house the idiot in prison..... Sigh...

    I know it's not American Taxes.... I did read the artical. And it won't be your house unless your posting from England just in case you get any more idea's....
     
  17. jackace

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    I was not sure about any of those lawsuits, hence the wording of my post and the quotations around "frivolous lawsuits"

    I'm not sure on the legality of trespassers suing homeowners for injuries, but if you shoot someone or subdue them with force you stand a chance of that person suing you in civil court. This can be costly and time consuming. I do believe there are some states that allow you to protect property by shooting someone and others do not allow it. I am not a lawyer and do not claim to be one so I am not 100% on any of this stuff.
     
  18. Nebor

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    25 states have "Castle Doctrine." This prohibits you from being sued by a criminal. You don't have it in NC though.
     
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    How typically English. If they're not arresting someone for racism, they're arresting victims. Then they have the balls to lecture us on our crime rate. Amazing what you can get away with if you do it in an English accent.
     
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    What's next, charge the woman with dressing provocitively if the prosecuter believes that is what initiated the rape?
     
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    My state passed a companion bill along with the Castle Doctrine. It explicitly states in law that you have no ?duty to retreat? from criminal attack if you are in a place where you have a legal right to be.

    None of that "but you coulda ran into a bedroom, or you could have dove through the 2x2 bathroom window to get away from the bad guy in your house".

    Break into my home and you will leave in a bag. The police will shake my hand and recommend a company that specializes in cleaning up messes like those caused by 00 buckshot, my insurance company will cut me a check and life will be back to normal a few hours later. Well, for me at least.
     
  23. Blain

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    At least he didn't use a handgun.

    It's obvious what must be done!
    ALL buildings in Manchester over two stories tall, MUST BE RAZED! :laugh:
     
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    Not surprised it was the UK. They love their burglars there. Same in Canada. AFAIK, it's not legal in Canada to use lethal force at 3 am in the dark against an intruder unless you are VERY SURE he's trying to harm you or family. Not sure if you're supposed to hold a quick interview on his intentions and, if you deem them not to go beyond theft you're supposed to grab your kids out of bed to escort them out of the house to let him finish or not.
    Hey, your name is quite on cue. You think this was "under control"? If I'm arguing/scuffling with an intruder in my home, nothing is quite under control. Standpoints like yours would have ensured the demise of humanity many generations ago because you lack balls. You are willing to secede what should be natural, instinctive common sense to politically correct nonsense and a fantastical belief in the world.
     
  25. palehorse

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    I learned this truism long ago from a federal police officer: Dead burglars tell no tales. So, if you're going to shoot them, make sure the SOB's are dead.