Homeland Security -TSA:8-19-04 Ted Kennedy delayed 5 times as he is put on No Fly list as a Terrorist

[dmcowen674]

8-19-2004 "If they have that kind of difficulty with a member of Congress, how in the world are average Americans, who are getting caught up in this thing, how are they going to be treated fairly and not have their rights abused?" Kennedy asked Homeland Security undersecretary Asa Hutchinson.

WASHINGTON - Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record) on Thursday said he had been misidentified on a terrorism watch list when he tried to board airliners between Washington and Boston.

Kennedy said he was stopped at airports in Washington, D.C., and Boston three times in March. Airline agents told him he would not be sold a ticket because his name was on a list.

When he asked the agent why, he was told, "We can't tell you."

The TSA said a name similar to Kennedy's was on the watch list, and that he was later flagged to go through additional screening. TSA also said that the airlines didn't handle the matter properly.

But twice after contacting TSA, Kennedy was stopped again at the airline counter.

The American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) has filed lawsuits in San Francisco and Seattle over this issue, demanding that the government explain how wrongly flagged travelers can get off the lists.

Hutchinson said that people who experience problems can call the TSA ombudsman to clear things up.

 

[bozack]

If it was anyone other than that Fat drunken slob Kennedy I might give a rats ass.

 

[Harvey]

Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

Bush hasn't drank in like 20 years, but that doesn't stop you libs from bring that up.

 

[shiner]

Maybe they were afraid he would end up flying the plane off a bridge.

 

[Ozoned]

That's funny, I mean, that he is on the list! Wonder how that happened.

 

[shiner]

It wasn't actually his name....it was a "similar" name. Some airline worked F'd up....that is all. He probably pulled the "Do you know who I am" and they said no. Wouldn't shock me at all....I'm never shocked when people can't recognize a politician....hell most of em couldn't name their Senator if they had a gun to their head.

 

[DefRef]

It was a simple error - they meant to put him on the "no drive" list.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I get the humor of this, but seriously, it doesn't speak well for the integrity/reliability of the system, and it's hard to have a whole lot of confidence in any antiterrorism "watch list" that prevents a senior Senator from traveling.

Whatever you think of OIF, I think it's hard to refute that the federal government has not adequately supported homeland security measures since 9/11 - we have spent a total of about $500M on homeland security since 9/11, which is the same amount we spend on OIF every 2-3 days.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
It wasn't actually his name....it was a "similar" name. Some airline worked F'd up....that is all. He probably pulled the "Do you know who I am" and they said no. Wouldn't shock me at all....I'm never shocked when people can't recognize a politician....hell most of em couldn't name their Senator if they had a gun to their head.

In all fairness, it happened three times, and IIRC it's actually illegal to detain a US Congressman enroute to a session of Congress, which he may have been on one or more of these occasions.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Harvey
Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

Bush hasn't drank in like 20 years, but that doesn't stop you libs from bring that up.

And again, apparently two wrongs make a right. That's some powerful argument, Crimson (at least if you're nine or younger).

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

Harvey, if he is clean and sober then I'm a preacher.....Kennedy is a slob and a disgrace, I am boarderline ashamed that I reside in the state which he represents...and in response to your last remark, I wish I was drunk, also fail to see how it is off topic as the thread specifically mentions Kennedy.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: shinerburke
It wasn't actually his name....it was a "similar" name. Some airline worked F'd up....that is all. He probably pulled the "Do you know who I am" and they said no. Wouldn't shock me at all....I'm never shocked when people can't recognize a politician....hell most of em couldn't name their Senator if they had a gun to their head.

In all fairness, it happened three times, and IIRC it's actually illegal to detain a US Congressman enroute to a session of Congress, which he may have been on one or more of these occasions.

My point was they probably had no idea who he was. Sure he could claim to be a Senator....but with the ignorant masses in this country I bet 3/4 of them wouldn't know who he was if they met him.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: bozack

Harvey, if he is clean and sober then I'm a preacher.....Kennedy is a slob and a disgrace, I am boarderline ashamed that I reside in the state which he represents...and in response to your last remark, I wish I was drunk, also fail to see how it is off topic as the thread specifically mentions Kennedy.

Apparently George HW Bush doesn't think he's a slob and a disgrace.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
My point was they probably had no idea who he was. Sure he could claim to be a Senator....but with the ignorant masses in this country I bet 3/4 of them wouldn't know who he was if they met him.

Interesting point, though I imagine they carry ID cards (I think they'd have to, since again I'm quite sure the law prevents Congressmen from being arrested/detained enroute to a session of Congress).

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Harvey
Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

Harvey, if he is clean and sober then I'm a preacher.....Kennedy is a slob and a disgrace, I am boarderline ashamed that I reside in the state which he represents...and in response to your last remark, I wish I was drunk, also fail to see how it is off topic as the thread specifically mentions Kennedy.

Jeez, can't a fellow get drunk and kill his date without people constantly nagging him about it forever?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Harvey
Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

Harvey, if he is clean and sober then I'm a preacher.....Kennedy is a slob and a disgrace, I am boarderline ashamed that I reside in the state which he represents...and in response to your last remark, I wish I was drunk, also fail to see how it is off topic as the thread specifically mentions Kennedy.

Harvey, this is bozack's way of admitting he had NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for his baseless claim. As with infants and morons, noise comes out, but you have to dig deep for the meaning.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: DefRef
It was a simple error - they meant to put him on the "no drive" list.

Jeez, can't a fellow get drunk and kill his date without people constantly nagging him about it forever?

ROTFLMAO!

 

[Jhhnn]

From Perknose-

"As with infants and morons, noise comes out, but you have to dig deep for the meaning."

Brutal, and all too true...

As a guy who hasn't had a drink since June 26, 1987, it seems to me that Ted has been in Recovery for many years. Dubya, otoh, is obviously what anybody in the recovery community would refer to as a dry drunk...

All of which is utterly OT. Ted is one of the most famous faces in America- any Airline employee who doesn't recognize him just fell off a turnip truck, and should be put back in with the rest of the load. The no-fly list has been used as a punitive measure, anyway, mostly against peace-activist nuns and greens not of the violent persuasion. It's also a joke, and a disgrace- if some threat existed, one would think that somebody would have been apprehended in the attempt, which apparently hasn't happened. More non-security against imaginary non-threats...

Just imagine the run-around if you're NOT Ted Kennedy...

 

[arsbanned]

REPOST

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Harvey
Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

Bush hasn't drank in like 20 years, but that doesn't stop you libs from bring that up.

Nice broad, but patently false generalization. :frown: Looks like that doesn't stop YOU (not "you neocons") from grouping me with ALL libs, even though you can search my entire posting history and find I haven't said anything negative about Bush's past drinking OR coke snorting habits.

It's OK with me if you want to keep bringing up Bush's past problems, but I'm more concerned with his piss poor performance as President, now, and doing everything I can to prevent his re-election and stop him from doing anymore damage to our country in the future.

 

[XMan]

It's moot how long Kennedy has been sober, IMO. Doesn't change the fact that he killed somebody as a direct result of his drinking and hasn't shown any remorse so far as I can see.

 

[Ethex]

Based on T.Kennedy's voting record in the Senate would you vote for him as Prez?

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Harvey
Bozack -- I could be wrong, but AFIK, Kennedy's been sober for quite awhile. What evidence do you have that he's not? For that matter, with lame, off topic remarks like that, maybe we should ask how sober you are, lately?

Harvey, if he is clean and sober then I'm a preacher.....Kennedy is a slob and a disgrace, I am boarderline ashamed that I reside in the state which he represents...and in response to your last remark, I wish I was drunk, also fail to see how it is off topic as the thread specifically mentions Kennedy.

Jeez, can't a fellow get drunk and kill his date without people constantly nagging him about it forever?

Damn right. I mean, it's not like he got a thousand American soldiers killed by invading the wrong country or anything...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ethex
Based on T.Kennedy's voting record in the Senate would you vote for him as Prez?

Voting record aside, I've always wondered why he didn't run for President.

There must be an un-written Law that he not run for President similar to brothers not serving together anymore to prevent families from getting wiped out in combat.