Home Theatre in a Box options

cKGunslinger

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Well, now that I'm looking at some large-screen HDTVs, I think I may relegate the current el-cheapor DVD player to the kids' room and invest in a decent, yet inexpensive, Home Theatre setup.


Things I am looking for:

1) Price - no more than $300, preferably $250 or less.

2) DVD playback (progressive scan,) DTS, DD5.1, etc. The ability to decode input signals and not just the DVD source would be nice as well.


That's about it. Wireless rear speakers would be nice, if they worked decently. MP3/JPG/DivX would all be bonuses, but not necessities. Same with a powered subwoofer. My living room is kinda large, so total wattage and output can be an issue, as well.

Any suggestions? What are you guys using? I obviously can't get the $800 receivers and $1K speakers, but I know some of you guys are AV geeks on the cheap, like me. There are *tons* of options, but I want something worthwhile and lasting, as I tend to have bad-luck with cheap, off-brand electronics in this department.




(and yes, I'm on a small electronic spending spree)
 

Excelsior

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Well my rec. would be to save a bit on the TV and invest more in the audio realm. You could start out with a receiver and a pair of speakers for the L/R channels. Then you could add on as you had more money.

That is what Id do.
 

cKGunslinger

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I dunno, sound has never been *that* important to me, as least when compared to video. I definitely want to invest more in the TV than the audio, but I don't want them to be too mis-matched.

Would it be more beneficial/cost-effective to get a cheapish stand-alone DVD player, then look for receiver/speaker combos, instead of trying to find an all-in-one unit. I notice there are tons more decent options in the DVD-less receivers.
 

ArJuN

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I saw a 5.1 in a box for like 380 in costco. 1000w total, 5 disc dvd changer, hdmi input and output. thats all i remember off hand. anyone know if that's a good deal? this would go in the family room...so I don't need anything great.
 

K1052

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Get a stand alone DVD player.

Onkyo HT-S580 for sound in that price range.
 

funboy6942

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I was in the same boat and didnt want to spend alot but wanted alot. I can suggest if you can make due without haveing a built in Am/FM tuner to get a cheap dvd player that does DTS and DD and the Logitech Z5500. It will undoubtly smoke any ht in a box in your price range and you will not be dissapointed in the least.

Yes it is supposed to be designed for a computer set up but with all of its inputs it has worked great in my living room (18'x30') and has enough bass that it can be heard across the street. Not to mention the sound is going to be soooo much better then the tiny crappy pos that will come with a HT in a box not to also mention way more powerfull.

Just my 2 cents.

You can get a refurb set from justdeals for $190 shipped and spend the rest on a decent dvd player.
 

Insane3D

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Personally, when I set up a HT setup in my bedroom, I didn't like a lot of those HT in a box kits, and I didn't have tons of room to have big speakers everywhere, so I got a set of Logitech Z-680's. They handle everything I throw at them, sound awesome in even the most demanding movies, and don't take up a ton of space. I think the Z-5500's are the current model now. They may not match a real HT setup, but for under $250 or, they do a very very good job imo, and are better than any HT in a box kit I've seen...

:)

Edit: funboy42 beat me to it..

:)
 

Reel

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Where can you get wireless rear speakers? I never ran my speakers after I moved because of that.
 

ElFenix

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get the samsung TV and spend the extra $400 on sound
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Save money on the TV and spend a little more on the audio. Like Excelsior said, you might be best off buying a receiver now and L/R speakers with a subwoofer of some sort. Even for just that your budget is small but you'll get something better than $300 on an entire 5.1 system.
 

nsafreak

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Please for the love of all ears everywhere do not just get a set of computer speakers and hook them up as a home theater audio solution.

For your budget range I would suggest one of these and get a separate DVD player (they don't cost that much):

Onkyo HT-S580
Panasonic SC-HT640W
JVC TH-C30

Of those three I would say that the Onkyo has the best audio quality and a more feature laden receiver followed closely by the Panasonic. No personal experience as I run a separate component setup (my subwoofer alone runs more than any of these HTIB solutions) but I have heard good things about Onkyo.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: nsafreak
Please for the love of all ears everywhere do not just get a set of computer speakers and hook them up as a home theater audio solution.

For your budget range I would suggest one of these and get a separate DVD player (they don't cost that much):

Onkyo HT-S580
Panasonic SC-HT640W
JVC TH-C30

Of those three I would say that the Onkyo has the best audio quality and a more feature laden receiver followed closely by the Panasonic. No personal experience as I run a separate component setup (my subwoofer alone runs more than any of these HTIB solutions) but I have heard good things about Onkyo.

That's definitely not the first I've heard about the Onkyo HT-S580. I may check them out. The speakers are ugly, though. :laugh:
 

bluewall21

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Another vote for the Z-5500 here. They do the job extremely well considering their low price.

That + a nice DVD player = Home theater pleasure.
 

nsafreak

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Originally posted by: bluewall21
Another vote for the Z-5500 here. They do the job extremely well considering their low price.

That + a nice DVD player = Home theater pleasure.


Arrrrrg. Please people stop recommending bloody computer speakers for a home theater application. I guarantee you folks that any of the HTIB solutions mentioned so far will blow the Logitechs out of the water.
 

bradruth

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I have the Pioneer 2550 HTIB, which I'm very satisfied with. I think it was about $270.
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: nsafreak
Originally posted by: bluewall21
Another vote for the Z-5500 here. They do the job extremely well considering their low price.

That + a nice DVD player = Home theater pleasure.


Arrrrrg. Please people stop recommending bloody computer speakers for a home theater application. I guarantee you folks that any of the HTIB solutions mentioned so far will blow the Logitechs out of the water.


Right...because you think they suck then they do right? The high end Logitech do awesome for movies...

Sorry, we all must just be dumb asses...thank god we have people like you who know it all...

:roll:

Maybe he should have asked for advice JUST FROM YOU...
 

nsafreak

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: nsafreak
Originally posted by: bluewall21
Another vote for the Z-5500 here. They do the job extremely well considering their low price.

That + a nice DVD player = Home theater pleasure.


Arrrrrg. Please people stop recommending bloody computer speakers for a home theater application. I guarantee you folks that any of the HTIB solutions mentioned so far will blow the Logitechs out of the water.


Right...because you think they suck then they do right? The high end Logitech do awesome for movies...

Sorry, we all must just be dumb asses...thank god we have people like you who know it all...

:roll:

Maybe he should have asked for advice JUST FROM YOU...

Tell you what, you pay a visit to my place and listen to my HT setup then compare it to your computer speaker setup. For that matter simply listen to an in store demo of the above mentioned Onkyo HTIB system and then compare it to the Logitech system. The Onkyo has all of this going for it:

1) Higher bitrate DAC
2) More decoding options
3) Upgradeable
4) More inputs
5) Better remote


While all the Logitech has going for it is perhaps wattage. I've said it a thousand times before in threads like this (and others have as well) computer speakers are meant for computers not for dedicated home theater setups.
 

whoiswes

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another vote for "don't skimp on the audio".

i have ~ $1500 invested in my system - here are the specs.

$500 - Infocus 4805 projector, throwing about a 84" diagonal image (staples, black friday)
$125 - Panasonic XR25 receiver (closeout at sears)
$360 - Athena AS-F2 mains
$300 - Athena AS-C1 center, AS-F1 surrounds
$110 - Dayton 12" sub (old style, not the new front-firing...old one sounds much better).
$100 - polywall screen, wiring, old comp as HTPC

So, almost two thirds of my budget went into the audio, and the next thing I'm going to upgrade will be my receiver...

Image is important, but NOTHING impresses folks that stop by more than when they FEEL the THX logo fade in on the screen. As for HTIB's, there are some decent ones, but I would strongly suggest looking at getting a decent receiver and mains first...you can add/upgrade components as you find time/money. Especially since once you start into HT, it is pretty addicting. I am quite happy with my setup, but could easily go spend $2000 on speakers right now, just because I have upgrade-itis.

Also, if you're looking at dropping $2K (a guess) on a bigscreen HDTV, you might consider front projection. It takes more planning and a dedicated room, but even my wife (a complete techno-phobe) comments on how most big screens we've looked at (best buy, circuit city, ult. electronics, etc - even the dedicated rooms at Neb Furniture Mart) don't look as good as ours, and she was referring to some of the $5K plus sets. For HER to notice and comment, it has to be obvious.

This is just my $0.02 - research all your options and audition everything you can, preferably from an actual user if possible.

EDIT - oh yeah, logitech has NOTHING on a properly set up HT system...separates may cost more, but there is NO comparison.
 

Insane3D

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I'm NOT saying the Logitechs have anything on a REAL HT setup...I'm comparing them to most of the HTIB setups out there. Sure there is better, but that doesn't make the Logitechs crap either...but, what do I know, I'm not nsafreak.

 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: nsafreak
Originally posted by: bluewall21
Another vote for the Z-5500 here. They do the job extremely well considering their low price.

That + a nice DVD player = Home theater pleasure.


Arrrrrg. Please people stop recommending bloody computer speakers for a home theater application. I guarantee you folks that any of the HTIB solutions mentioned so far will blow the Logitechs out of the water.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh god I need to take a breath HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I have owned several Legit home theater amps. Sony, Harmon, Denon, Pioneer, JVC, KLH, Panasonic and I will tell you this from EXPERANCE the Z5500 would of smoked every one I had before. This includes having all matched speakers and a powerd sub (KLH, MTX, Polk to name a few Ive owned) and for $200 the Z5500 are super hard to beat. Granted with the top of the line recievers they have more power and can make your ears bleed but as far as sound quality and the way the sub reproduces the low ends I am never going to buy a stand alone set UNLESS I have alot of money to aford much better units and much better speakers but I can say without a doubt you will not find anything in the $500 range that can sound as good as the Z5500. Yes maybe louder but not as good. I am am talking from experance and if I had not hooked up the Z5500 as a HT set up myself I would probably say they same thing as you. But since I have and it tottaly threw me for a loop I wont replce it unless I buy a $2k system or beter.

But dont take mine or other people using them as such. Read some of the reviews that made me buy them and try them out. I was originaly going to use them for my PC. After I tried them as a HT set up I had to buy another set for the pc.

Review
Taken from above review:
This system is an absolute mind boggling bargain for those looking to eliminate the need for a separate A/V receiver. The Z-5500 SoundTouch Control Center handles everything except video switching - which typically isn't needed (or found) in a lower-priced setup.) If you're getting into surround sound for the first time, or you'd like a system that can also handle DVDs and CD playback, then you will have a very hard time finding this type of integrated system at this level of performance for less (it's as if you're getting a mini receiver for free.) We congratulate Logitech on the innovation and performance this system delivers at such a reasonable value.

Review
Taken from above review:
Play any DVD movie with an Earth shaking explosion and the answer will be HELL YA!

Not to mention they are sold as Pc/Hometheater speakers :p

And most importantly your missing he is set at no more then $300 and would like to be at $250. Just deals has them for $190 and can easily pick up a dvd player keeping him at $250 or below. And in that range there is NO HTIB that can touch the sound quality and I dare you to google the Z5500 and come up with one bad review or even one that doesnt say playing dvd's on it doesnt sound kick ass or they wouldnt reccomend using it as a home theater reciever.

For him to buy a decent stand alone the cheapest reciever is going to be around $150 then hes going to need 5 matching speakers and good luck finding that that are not Jensen or KLH POS'S. Not to mention hes going to need a powered sub woffer because a passive one wont do sh!t and a cheap 100 watt one is going to be over $100 and again he is going to need a dvd player. You just cant put it all together for under $300 that matches the Z5500. And the Onkyo. OOOO didnky crappy speakers and a crappy sub. Friends are going to be impressed when they watch a movie on thoes. Every one that comes watche a move at my house cannot belive what they are hearing and most went and bought one.It great if you live in an apartment or have super close neighbors and not like the feeling of explosions in your chest but if not..........every review written on these speak for themselves. And yes some claim they have attached speakers but the new sets being shippied do not so you can use what ever wires you like.

Here matching THX cert speakers with a 188 watt rms sub that will knock the stuff off the walls and plaster from the celing for and sound damnd good doing it, $190 and a $50 dvd player ftw in his price range.

I forgot to also mention if you decide to spend more later you can then migrate the set to your pc and it wouldnt of gone to waste.
 

Rickten

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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: nsafreak
Originally posted by: bluewall21
Another vote for the Z-5500 here. They do the job extremely well considering their low price.

That + a nice DVD player = Home theater pleasure.


Arrrrrg. Please people stop recommending bloody computer speakers for a home theater application. I guarantee you folks that any of the HTIB solutions mentioned so far will blow the Logitechs out of the water.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh god I need to take a breath HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I have owned several Legit home theater amps. Sony, Harmon, Denon, Pioneer, JVC, KLH, Panasonic and I will tell you this from EXPERANCE the Z5500 would of smoked every one I had before. This includes having all matched speakers and a powerd sub (KLH, MTX, Polk to name a few Ive owned) and for $200 the Z5500 are super hard to beat. Granted with the top of the line recievers they have more power and can make your ears bleed but as far as sound quality and the way the sub reproduces the low ends I am never going to buy a stand alone set UNLESS I have alot of money to aford much better units and much better speakers but I can say without a doubt you will not find anything in the $500 range that can sound as good as the Z5500. Yes maybe louder but not as good. I am am talking from experance and if I had not hooked up the Z5500 as a HT set up myself I would probably say they same thing as you. But since I have and it tottaly threw me for a loop I wont replce it unless I buy a $2k system or beter.

But dont take mine or other people using them as such. Read some of the reviews that made me buy them and try them out. I was originaly going to use them for my PC. After I tried them as a HT set up I had to buy another set for the pc.

Review
Taken from above review:
This system is an absolute mind boggling bargain for those looking to eliminate the need for a separate A/V receiver. The Z-5500 SoundTouch Control Center handles everything except video switching - which typically isn't needed (or found) in a lower-priced setup.) If you're getting into surround sound for the first time, or you'd like a system that can also handle DVDs and CD playback, then you will have a very hard time finding this type of integrated system at this level of performance for less (it's as if you're getting a mini receiver for free.) We congratulate Logitech on the innovation and performance this system delivers at such a reasonable value.

Review
Taken from above review:
Play any DVD movie with an Earth shaking explosion and the answer will be HELL YA!

Not to mention they are sold as Pc/Hometheater speakers :p

And most importantly your missing he is set at no more then $300 and would like to be at $250. Just deals has them for $190 and can easily pick up a dvd player keeping him at $250 or below. And in that range there is NO HTIB that can touch the sound quality and I dare you to google the Z5500 and come up with one bad review or even one that doesnt say playing dvd's on it doesnt sound kick ass or they wouldnt reccomend using it as a home theater reciever.

For him to buy a decent stand alone the cheapest reciever is going to be around $150 then hes going to need 5 matching speakers and good luck finding that that are not Jensen or KLH POS'S. Not to mention hes going to need a powered sub woffer because a passive one wont do sh!t and a cheap 100 watt one is going to be over $100 and again he is going to need a dvd player. You just cant put it all together for under $300 that matches the Z5500. And the Onkyo. OOOO didnky crappy speakers and a crappy sub. Friends are going to be impressed when they watch a movie on thoes. Every one that comes watche a move at my house cannot belive what they are hearing and most went and bought one.It great if you live in an apartment or have super close neighbors and not like the feeling of explosions in your chest but if not..........every review written on these speak for themselves. And yes some claim they have attached speakers but the new sets being shippied do not so you can use what ever wires you like.

Here matching THX cert speakers with a 188 watt rms sub that will knock the stuff off the walls and plaster from the celing for and sound damnd good doing it, $190 and a $50 dvd player ftw in his price range.

I forgot to also mention if you decide to spend more later you can then migrate the set to your pc and it wouldnt of gone to waste.

While not adjustable, the system has a fixed crossover frequency of around 120 Hz

they really offload a lot of work to the sub. But then again this is a budget solution.