My friends idea of loud is when you can't talk over the sound. The receiver is putting out 30W per channel x 5 channels. I guess that's not all that much for a room that size.
My friends idea of loud is when you can't talk over the sound. The receiver is putting out 30W per channel x 5 channels. I guess that's not all that much for a room that size.
I'm going to check it out again. Entry-level Sony receivers are garbage, most don't even list the THD out of shame.
I think these could be the issues:
- The volume on the cable box has to be set to fixed, he complained that cable TV was way too low.
- Too much speaker cable is being used. I used almost 100ft of 16AWG to wire the 5 speakers
- The speakers sensitivity can be an issue. Polk recommends 20-100W amplification.. I'm doing 30 so I'm just over the minimum.
- The speakers were not properly positioned. After they are mounted and properly directed everything will be louder.
- The receiver is underpowered by his outlet. He lives in a building and has everything under the sun hooked up to a single outlet.
Are these possibilities?
Thanks again for all your help. I really would hate to return that receiver, I got it for $199 on Black Friday and the speakers were also $199. Can't go wrong at that price.
I think these could be the issues:
- The volume on the cable box has to be set to fixed, he complained that cable TV was way too low.
- Too much speaker cable is being used. I used almost 100ft of 16AWG to wire the 5 speakers
- The speakers sensitivity can be an issue. Polk recommends 20-100W amplification.. I'm doing 30 so I'm just over the minimum.
- The speakers were not properly positioned. After they are mounted and properly directed everything will be louder.
- The receiver is underpowered by his outlet. He lives in a building and has everything under the sun hooked up to a single outlet.
Are these possibilities?
Thanks again for all your help. I really would hate to return that receiver, I got it for $199 on Black Friday and the speakers were also $199. Can't go wrong at that price.
Keep it dude, your friend is deaf, before recommending another receiver, take him to the closest hearing aid retailer.
My lowly Pioneer VSX-401 from ~1993 pushes my Polk R150s enough to make them jump a bit, er, did I say a bit, I mean almost where the voice coil hits the back of the magnet
It says 75W per channel, I really doubt that as this thing barely gets hot. Now my Onkyo on the other hand... Can you say ventilation?!?!!?
Of course I have them right in front of me in my 2.0 computer setup, but the volume is at about 3 of 30..... I love the motorized volume control when turned up via remote. Gotta love the composite switching capabilities as well :roll:
My lowly Pioneer VSX-401 from ~1993 pushes my Polk R150s enough to make them jump a bit, er, did I say a bit, I mean almost where the voice coil hits the back of the magnet
It says 75W per channel, I really doubt that as this thing barely gets hot. Now my Onkyo on the other hand... Can you say ventilation?!?!!?Of course I have them right in front of me in my 2.0 computer setup, but the volume is at about 3 of 30..... I love the motorized volume control when turned up via remote. Gotta love the composite switching capabilities as well :roll:
Can't talk over the sound is around 120 db. Think jet engine/live concert. It takes some serious power and very large speakers to achieve this. You may want to adjust your expectations.
Yeah, hell if you buy cheap enough you can get that by getting a few sets of car audio tweeters and some 6X9s from Wal-Mart, and then get about 4 12" subs with about 2 500w amps then you will be able to fulfill your friends needs, and more!!!
Or, he can just stop bitching. This is probably the best sound he has ever heard, tell him to suck it up. Or just give me the receiver for my 2.0 system.
I'm glad he posted the room size as this has a LOT to do with it. That's a pretty good sized room. Not huge, but large.
It's going to take mains and surrounds with multiple drivers 6+" drivers and about 200 true watts per channel to really get loud. Along with a capable 500+ dollar sub or two.
I have another question:
The sub has RCA inputs for Left and Right but the receiver has one output to the sub. Do I really need a y-splitter or can I just hook one RCA cable to either Left or Right. I figure that a mono signal is being sent to the sub, so what difference does it make?
The sub has RCA inputs for Left and Right but the receiver has one output to the sub. Do I really need a y-splitter or can I just hook one RCA cable to either Left or Right. I figure that a mono signal is being sent to the sub, so what difference does it make?
Usually works fine without a splitter. The only case where I have heard people needing a splitter is when it has an auto on/off circuit and the input signal with one input connected is not enough to make the sub turn on when the movie starts.
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It shouldn't matter.
Usually the two jacks are connected internally through an rc network joining the two into one for the main amp.
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If you need it louder, get larger speakers rather than replace the HK. The Polks are probably limiting you more than the receiver.
A better subwoofer will probably go a long way.
For loudness I would do this order:
1. Get an SPL meter and measure it and make sure you're not listening too loudly, which it sounds like might be the goal
2. Replace the subwoofer with a good one (or a couple)
3. Replace the front 3 speakers to ones that are able to push more air and still have high sensitivity
4. If that's not enough and you think you're still running out of power, replace the receiver, but not with another budget model, especially a budget sony.
Is it possible to test the output on a channel with a multimeter that can take an average reading
I just realized that the speaker crossover option in the receiver was set at 100Hz as opposed to 120Hz that Polk recommends. Will shaving off 20HZ increase the volume?
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Not really. Not without adding some parts to the output.
Usually amps are checked with a resistor load and oscilloscope to view the output, while an input signal, 1khz, is fed to the amp.
This thread is giving me a headache. OP - it's never going to be loud.
Room too big, inefficient speakers and sub too small, receiver severely lacking power.
Post what you are looking for and maybe we can help. But your expectations are way too high.
Room too big, inefficient speakers and sub too small, receiver severely lacking power.
Post what you are looking for and maybe we can help. But your expectations are way too high.
UPDATE: He had a party at his house and I heard the system. It's more than enough for his room. If he want to "blast it" even though it was already loud enough for a party at -15 db, he will just need a smaller room, which he will have since he needs to move out of his mother house sooner or later.
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Lots of HT receivers, Sony is a big offender, rate their systems at say, 100 x 7. or 100 x 5. And they will do that many watts on each channel.....BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME. Big ripoff, IMO.
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