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Home Theater Receiver

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ChAoTiCpInOy

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Any of you know of any receivers that support the newer audio formats that are coming with the new HD-DVD and Blu-ray players. Should I wait to buy a new receiver or get one now that has support for those newer formats?
 
Im looking for a sub-$1000 or anywhere around that price range, and even though some receivers have HDMI connections, it does not mean they support the new formats, Dolby True HD and another one, or does it?
 
What difference does it make? You run the video to the TV, and the sound from either the Blu Ray or HD DVD to the receiver, just like you can with a regular DVD player now.
End of story.

I'm pretty sure the HDMI connections on receivers are just a pass-through anyway, as far as the picture is concerned.

Personally, I run my video sources (cable box and DVD player) straight to the TV. Both have multiple separate sound outputs, and I use those to run to my preamp.

The sound isn't any different on the new players....Dolby Digital is Dolby Digital....and unless I've missed something, there aren't any DVD's coming out with anything better than 6.1 anyway.

Personally, I would bother with, or worry about this right now. By the time either Blu Ray or HD DVD wins the market share, your receiver you buy this year will be obsolete anyway and you'll need a new one to decode the latest surround format.

 
Well I want to complete the "home theater" experience in my set up, so what that means is buying the HD-DVD drive for my Xbox 360 and then buy a new receiver to decode the new audio formats to my 6.1 system and my 60" HDTV. Then, I would say it would be complete, wouldn't you.
 
What new audio formats? Is there something different than 6.1? I haven't heard about it if there is.

AFAIK, the sound on the HD's and Blu Ray's isn't any different...just the picture.

How can it be any better than the digital, crystal-clear sound we already have anyway?

Nah, I think the only thing you're going to get from the Blu Ray is an HD picture. 5.1 or 6.1 Dolby will still be the same. And any decent receiver can decode that just fine.

 
Just looked at a Sony Blu Ray player, and it has all the normal digital outputs that current DVD players have.

There is no new audio format that I can find.
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Just looked at a Sony Blu Ray player, and it has all the normal digital outputs that current DVD players have.

There is no new audio format that I can find.
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DTS-HD

and

Dolby TrueHD.
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Ah, more snake oil. Anyway, Dolby.com says if you have a receiver that has HDMI inputs that supports multi-channel PCM, or has multi-channel analog inputs, you are good to go.
The HD-DVD or BLU-Ray player will do the decoding.

I seriously doubt there will be any sound quality difference, and if there is, nearly nobody will have equipment good enough to tell, anyway.
 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Just looked at a Sony Blu Ray player, and it has all the normal digital outputs that current DVD players have.

There is no new audio format that I can find.
Click to expand...

DTS-HD

and

Dolby TrueHD.
Click to expand...

Ah, more snake oil. Anyway, Dolby.com says if you have a receiver that has HDMI inputs that supports multi-channel PCM, or has multi-channel analog inputs, you are good to go.
The HD-DVD or BLU-Ray player will do the decoding.

I seriously doubt there will be any sound quality difference, and if there is, nearly nobody will have equipment good enough to tell, anyway.
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More snake-oil?

Dude, chill the fvck out. I am well aware that the HD-DVD players do the decoding. In fact, I was going to mention that in my first post in this thread, but I decided to just link a site that said the exact same thing. How about you try checking out the link, see for yourself.

Fvcking christ.
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Just looked at a Sony Blu Ray player, and it has all the normal digital outputs that current DVD players have.

There is no new audio format that I can find.
Click to expand...

DTS-HD

and

Dolby TrueHD.
Click to expand...

Ah, more snake oil. Anyway, Dolby.com says if you have a receiver that has HDMI inputs that supports multi-channel PCM, or has multi-channel analog inputs, you are good to go.
The HD-DVD or BLU-Ray player will do the decoding.

I seriously doubt there will be any sound quality difference, and if there is, nearly nobody will have equipment good enough to tell, anyway.
Click to expand...

More snake-oil?

Dude, chill the fvck out. I am well aware that the HD-DVD players do the decoding. In fact, I was going to mention that in my first post in this thread, but I decided to just link a site that said the exact same thing. How about you try checking out the link, see for yourself.

Fvcking christ.
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You are the one who needs to chill. I wrote absolutely nothing that should have been offensive to you in any way.
By "Snake oil", I was referring to the new formats, not you pointing them out.
And I am not telling you about what the new recorders do, I was relaying what I read to the OP. Your link is where I got the info from, and I posted it for the benefit of the OP.

 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Just looked at a Sony Blu Ray player, and it has all the normal digital outputs that current DVD players have.

There is no new audio format that I can find.
Click to expand...

DTS-HD

and

Dolby TrueHD.
Click to expand...

Ah, more snake oil. Anyway, Dolby.com says if you have a receiver that has HDMI inputs that supports multi-channel PCM, or has multi-channel analog inputs, you are good to go.
The HD-DVD or BLU-Ray player will do the decoding.

I seriously doubt there will be any sound quality difference, and if there is, nearly nobody will have equipment good enough to tell, anyway.
Click to expand...

More snake-oil?

Dude, chill the fvck out. I am well aware that the HD-DVD players do the decoding. In fact, I was going to mention that in my first post in this thread, but I decided to just link a site that said the exact same thing. How about you try checking out the link, see for yourself.

Fvcking christ.
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You are the one who needs to chill. I wrote absolutely nothing that should have been offensive to you in any way.
By "Snake oil", I was referring to the new formats, not you pointing them out.
And I am not telling you about what the new recorders do, I was relaying what I read to the OP. Your link is where I got the info from, and I posted it for the benefit of the OP.
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Hhaa, I know. I like saying "chill out" but then freak out in my own posts. It is fun.

But yes you did, "snake oil". I find that very offensive, since I despise ANYTHING that is considered snake oil or close to it.

It just hurts my feelings, that is all. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior
But yes you did, "snake oil". I find that very offensive, since I despise ANYTHING that is considered snake oil or close to it.

It just hurts my feelings, that is all. 😉
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Well, I just can't imagine that there is as big a gain to be had in sound as there was in video.

If so, I guess I'll have to send my preamp to B&K to get the latest upgrade. That's why I bought a B&K, because they are upgradeable.

So OP, if you want to be sure to have the latest compatible hardware, buy a B&K receiver. Then, in a few years when Dolby Digital 22.1 comes out, all you'll have to do is pay a few hundred bucks to have it upgraded, instead of another grand or so for a new one. 😉
 
so what you guys are saying is that the player decodes then sends the audio to the receiver, but doesnt the receiver have to decode something?

and about the sound, if you are a real audiophile, then it does matter. such as DTS being better than Dolby because of the compression or 192kpbs compared to 128kpbs or apple loseless to mp3
 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Excelsior
But yes you did, "snake oil". I find that very offensive, since I despise ANYTHING that is considered snake oil or close to it.

It just hurts my feelings, that is all. 😉
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Well, I just can't imagine that there is as big a gain to be had in sound as there was in video.

If so, I guess I'll have to send my preamp to B&K to get the latest upgrade. That's why I bought a B&K, because they are upgradeable.

So OP, if you want to be sure to have the latest compatible hardware, buy a B&K receiver. Then, in a few years when Dolby Digital 22.1 comes out, all you'll have to do is pay a few hundred bucks to have it upgraded, instead of another grand or so for a new one. 😉
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I agree with you. The improvement in video is definitely going to be more noticable, especially considering that so many people spend $$$$ on their displays, but so little on the sound.

Which is quite sad. 🙁

Personally..I will worry about all of this years from now...until then, I will enjoy what I have.
 
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
so what you guys are saying is that the player decodes then sends the audio to the receiver, but doesnt the receiver have to decode something?

and about the sound, if you are a real audiophile, then it does matter. such as DTS being better than Dolby because of the compression or 192kpbs compared to 128kpbs or apple loseless to mp3
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Dude, if you're here asking all these quesitions, then you're nowhere near being a "real audiophile".
If there is really such a thing, other then some pinhead who swears that 5000 dollar speaker cables sound better.
It remains to be seen whether the new formats actually sound better.

DTS is not necessarily better than DD. On some DVD's, DTS sounds better. On others, DD is better. It is not a given that one is always better.

To answer your question, all the receiver has to do is process what the HD or Blu Ray gives it. And all you need to do this, as I posted before, is a receiver with HDMI inputs and multi-channel PCM...which would likely go hand in hand. So find a receiver with these features, and that's what you are looking for.


BTW, "real" audiophiles don't use receivers. 😉
 
then do tell, what do they use? i didnt say anything about being a real audiophile, i dont have the money, resources, or means to trick out my home theater to reach that status. i'm just trying to do with the money i have to make it the best i can. if that's so wrong, so sue me.
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior

Personally..I will worry about all of this years from now...until then, I will enjoy what I have.
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If you have HD TV now, then you can watch the upconverted old movies and see what the HD DVD's and Blu Rays will look like.

The old movies can't look but so good. Seeing one broadcast on, say, INHD or UHD will be as good as that movie can look. And if they re-release that movie on Blu Ray or HD DVD, it should look just like it's being broadcast. (assuming you don't have satellite, since they don't broadcast in true HD)

The newer, digital movies are the ones I'd imagine will show the most improvement.

Then again, they already look awesome, so maybe the older ones stand to gain the most.

We'll see. Either way, I'm not jumping on a 999.00 Blu Ray player until there are an absolute assload of movies to choose from.
 
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
i didnt say anything about being a real audiophile,
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and about the sound, if you are a real audiophile, then it does matter. such as DTS being better than Dolby because of the compression or 192kpbs compared to 128kpbs or apple loseless to mp3
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^Your quote

Nothing wrong with your trying to get the right equipment. And I don't know what your budget is, but you should be able to get what you are after without spending thousands and thousands.

Still, I say that buying an HD DVD or a Blu Ray any time this year is a waste. Maybe even next year will be a waste....we'll see.
 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Excelsior

Personally..I will worry about all of this years from now...until then, I will enjoy what I have.
Click to expand...
If you have HD TV now, then you can watch the upconverted old movies and see what the HD DVD's and Blu Rays will look like.

The old movies can't look but so good. Seeing one broadcast on, say, INHD or UHD will be as good as that movie can look. And if they re-release that movie on Blu Ray or HD DVD, it should look just like it's being broadcast. (assuming you don't have satellite, since they don't broadcast in true HD)

The newer, digital movies are the ones I'd imagine will show the most improvement.

Then again, they already look awesome, so maybe the older ones stand to gain the most.

We'll see. Either way, I'm not jumping on a 999.00 Blu Ray player until there are an absolute assload of movies to choose from.
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Yeah...uh...no. You should know that upconversion != HD tranfers from film.

And yeah, movies on HDNet/INHD look excellent, because they are transfers, not upconversions.

I believe they will all benefit greatly, since film contains much more information that the current format (DVD) contains.
 
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
then do tell, what do they use? i didnt say anything about being a real audiophile, i dont have the money, resources, or means to trick out my home theater to reach that status. i'm just trying to do with the money i have to make it the best i can. if that's so wrong, so sue me.
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Seperates. They more often than not use a HT Processor that does all of the switching/decoding/processing...then use seperate power amps (whether they be monoblocks, 3 channel, 5 channel..etc).

Oh, and REAL "audiophiles" build their speakers/subs. 😉
 
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