@home Sucks!!!!

bozack

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Ok Here is my rant for the day since my cable modem was down all yesterday and this morning.

let me first say that I am a tier 2 technician for NASA HQ in DC, so I think I sorta know what I am doing when it comes to computer config..with that said here is my story.

The problem started yesterday morning when no machine on my network would connect to the internet (I have one dummy computer sharing the internet connection to two workstations, all run 98se), the only page I could pull was yahoo.com and I figured that it was cached I also couldn't ping anything either). So I checked the lights on the modem, they seemed fine, it is a com 23 modem and the first two lights and the last light were all lit up green, however whenever I tried to access a page the second to last light would blink (which indicates my computer sending its request) but the other light wouldn't (which usually indicates traffic on the cable modems side.)

I then went on to check Network preferences, read the IP config, blah blah blah, and everything was as it should be. So I Called Comcast/@home to see if they were having an outage.

Turns out they were having all sorts of problems, but the rep said there were no issues in my area and proceeded to tech support.

He said that he was able to ping my modem and stuff so the connection looks good on their end and they said I should restart and see if that works. Well needless to say it didn't and I called back at what time they sent me to tier 2 support.

So I was talking to the tier 2 guy who said they couldnt ping my machine at all, they said they could see my modem but not my computer. He had me

Release/remew IP
Static congfigure an IP
Change workgroup settings
and Reboot the machine (what is this their failsafe?)

None of that worked and his last option was to blow the TCP/IP stack and start new This after him telling me my in house network violated their TOS and I could either have my service revoked or I could be fined for running it, even though the tech that installed the cable modem had no problem with me having it and said it was infact allowed.

Well rather than dealing with re-configuring my hardware on that machine which I knew was good I asked if it would be easier to set up one of my workstations as the host and try that to save myself from the headache of redoing what I feel is a perfectly good stack. He said that was fine.

So to make a long story short I did everything on the other computer on this new machine and big surprise, it didn't work and his final conclusion was to try blowing this TCP/IP stack as well.

At this point I told him to forget about it, and then he asked wich nic I was using and if it was the @home certified NIC, I told him no they never offered it to me when they did the install and I probabily wouldn't have let them put it in anyway, at which time he told me he couldn't go any further with troubleshooting since I didn't have their NIC and he asked if I would like a technician to come out and install said nic so that I can have a guaranteed install, I told him to shove it and that there was no way I was letting one of their techs even get near my computer. I told him I would wait a day and see what happens and take it from there.

Well after hanging up with him I let the computer sit (the workstation I had reconfigured and was off the network) and after a few hours I was able to only ping yahoo.com and www.gwu.edu, as well as the fact that I can as of now connect to some telnet talker and converse with people online.

Now what do you guys think? Am I right in saying if it doesn't work on two computers that it was working on a few hours ago and no changes of made more than likely it is not the computers?

I am about ready to go to dsl, I bet it is something on their end and they don't want to refund me for the day or something. Any opinions would be appreciated thanks
 

Wingznut

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Most definitely it's their problem. I've found that the tier 1 techs don't really troubleshoot. They just basically go through the walkthroughs. Ask to speak to a tier 2 tech.

I'm not sure how you put up with those bozos.

"Sir, are you sure your network settings are good?"

"Dude, I work for NASA. Maybe you've heard of them?"

;)
 

pm

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AT&T@Home recently changed their rules and now running an in-house network is within the TOS rules. I'm not sure about Comcast@Home. I can find the actual rule that states you can do this as long as the network stays within the residence.

One thing that I do when I'm trying to debug stuff: blow away my home network, Ignore DHCP and enter all the relevant DNS, IP address, etc. entries by hand. This will usually tell me if it's my computer's problem or theirs.

Personally, I think it's hit or miss as to whether or not you get a good tech. I've had good luck sometimes... and then other times the tech's drive me crazy.... Still, my service has been pretty good overall.
 

Noriaki

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I was having the same problems.
I'm on Shaw@Home in Calgary alberta.

All last night, no HTTP and no email.
but ICQ worked..what the hell is that?

I had an 80% loss rate pinging my mailserver
I had a 70% loss rate pinging @home's WWW page.

No webpages worked for me at all.
It was warped.

Same thing this morning....GRRRR
And my Email server has been misbehaving for well over a month.
Every few days I just get an hour where i can't check email.
 

bozack

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noriaki yeah same thing for me, they are a bunch of morons or something and when I told him I was tier 2 at NASA it didnt even phase him, he still acted like I was a pc moron, I coud tell he was just going through his walkthrough and didn't know wtf he was doing but I though wtf he might get lucky
 

Scope

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@home is so bad here in Ottawa that all our major newpapers are writing editorials about there service. I haven't been able to get my emails properly for well over a month and it keeps getting worse. There problem is that they sign up people like mad and do nothing to upgrade the backbone for all the increased demand. When things come to a head the system just shuts down and they scramble to patch it back together again. Last week my buddy had his whole neighbourhood rewired by rogers because it has been screwed up perpetually. Just my $0.02.
Scope!
 

Vegito

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As a ex Optimum @home supervisor 1.2 year ago at the age of 22, yeah, thats right, you read anandtech and you know more than everyone else..

anyway... Policy was
1. Denied ALL service being down till the customer can prove it's down.
2. Always blame the customer's configuration
3. Always claim that we can see you even though we can't
4. Always claim that the customer's equipment is not compatible
5. Always claim that the slowdown is your next door friend
6. If you have a any time all day appointment, we'll try calling till no one is home and call it in as a not home :)


Cable companies are very shady... I left after 8 month, taking what I earn and no new knowledge
 

superbaby

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Can't someone pull a lawsuit out on @Home?

With this many customer complaints there's gotta be something we can do except call tech support, which is so damn useless, might as well NOT have it...

 

bozack

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damn forsch that just makes me want to go beat the crap out of those people then, and the scary thing is I believe every word your telling me. Oh well I think dsl is the way for me :)
 

Daniel

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I just got @home installed, having a problem too, it's in the networking section if anyone wants to take a stab at it. Anyway I called tech support and got to level 2, problem is that is keeps constantly disconnecting for a few seconds at a time, I told the guy that like every few minutes it will simutanously drop connections to icq, aim, and yahoo messanger, he tried to tell me that I need to call icq, aim, etc, hah cause it must be them, uummm sir, I don't think 3 seperate servers are all dropping connections at the exact same time and reconnecting at the exact same time over and over do you?? Eventually he admitted that it must be the cable modem connection but didn't have a clue how to fix it.
 

Soulflare

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They were having major name server problems this morning and that was
the problem. I could ping my gateway server without any problems but
both DNS servers timed out every time. I could still connect to any
web site I happended to know the IP address for and that probably
explains why things such as ICQ, Telnet, and FTP access were working.
 

Vegito

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@ Home problems I encounter...

on a new drop, either the ground is bad or the wiring is bad, unable to draw an IP from DHCP but entering manual IP works!

Lots of bad wiring, make sure it's RG56 not RG59.

I don't know if you guys do your own wiring, the splitter must be able to take up to 1000Mhz.. radio shack goes up to 800/900Mhz

Cable work are disgruntle... not like postal worker but they're really lazy..

I wouldn't let these guys touch my own machine .. over my dead body...

 

Alphacowboy

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Just my .02 but I work for AT&T... RoadRunner, not @Home but this has been a problem I have run into... by the way not all Tier1 techs are stupid and run by the book, myself included! With that said this is what I have found with this problem, you can ping IP's but not domain names correct? Well this is the fix, and yes that tech telling you to blow the TCP/IP stack... he was correct!

The information in this article applies to:

- Microsoft Internet Explorer versions 5, 5.01 for Windows 98
- Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.01 for Windows 98 Second Edition
- I have found this to be the case with 5.X and with any O/S including Win2K
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SYMPTOMS
========

User can connect to there ISP but can not browse the internet, download email,
or ping sites by FQDN, or by IP address

RESOLUTION
==========

1. Check for Proxy - uncheck the proxy and see if you can browse to check for a
proxy setting click on tools then interent options click on the conection tab
then click on lan settings and uncheck all options

2. Check for a Personal Firewall that could be installed - to check for a
Personal Firewall look through add/remove programs (ie. McAfee Firewall, Black
Ice)

3. Extract the following Winsock files

For information about how to use System File Checker to extract a file, please
see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Q129605 How to Extract Original Compressed Windows Files

Winsock.dll
Wsock.vxd
Wsock2.vxd
Wsock32.dll
Ws2_32.dll

4. check to see if they can browse...if not continue

NOTE: If ICS is installed you will need to remove it before continuing

5. Click on start then Settings and then Control Panel click on Network remove
all protocols installed on the system..when prompted to reboot say no.

6. Then click on add/remove programs then click on the windows setup tab then
click on communications then on details and uncheck Dial-Up Networking

do not restart the machine

7. Run the registry editor and remove the following keys
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/WINSOCK
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/WINSOCK2
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/VxD/WINSOCK
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/VxD/WINSOCK2
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/VxD/DHCP
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/VxD/DHCP OPTIONS
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/VxD/MSTCP
(If AOL is NOT there ISP then remove this key as well)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/CURRENTCONTROLSET/SERVICES/REMOTEACCESS/AUTHENTICATION/SMM_FILES
8. Reboot the machine

9. Click on start then settings and into control panel then run add/remove
programs, click on the windows setup tab

10. Click on communications then on details and check in Dial-Up Networking

11. Re-install TCP/IP

Additional query words:

\* MSONLY Document Information
\* ===========================
\*
======================================================================
Keywords :
Version : WINDOWS:5,5.01; Win98:5.01
Platform : WINDOWS Win98
Issue type : kbprb
\* Edit Status : Draft
================================================================================
Created_by: V-1DAQUA@ Edit_review: Edited:
Modified_by: V-1DAQUA@ Tech_review: Reviewed:


=== End Q260038 ===


Tip: You can search for this or other support information later by visiting Microsoft Online Support:

If you didn't notice, there is a problem with Windows and MS knows about it!

 

Topshelf

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Oh man, I got an @Home tech coming to my house in 1 hour to replace my modem. Maybe I should run and hide my router and 3 other pc's sharing that connection before he gets there. hehe
 

bozack

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alpha I would have no problem with blowing the stack if I only tried it on one machine and it still wasn't connecting, however I tried this on two seperate machines, both with known good connectivity and neither worked, and I am most certain if I had tried it on my third machine that would not have worked either.

Also if you read my post I stated that after I let it sit for a while and work out whatever they were doing wrong I was able to ping a web site, the light was flashing on my end of the modem but I was getting no response from them.

if I really wanted to be radical I bet I could bring any one of my machines into work and configure it here, if it was a blown stack then it wouldn't work but I would be willing to bet money I could get it to run here without any additional set up short of adding dns, ip, wins and host.

Tier One techs do know stuff, I used to be one myself but I would never blatantly bs the customer, and if needed I would improvise not just follow the manual.

PS for your information most of the time when you have a blown stack there are other symptoms too, one being winsock errors, another being fatal exceptions when trying to read the IP, a third being no prompt for ms networks logon even though you have it selected.
 

bozack

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I seriously would tech, if they are being aceholes like that, and if I were you I wuld just replace my modem myself, if it isn't working by tommorow that is probabilyn what I am going to do.
 

Dennis Travis

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I don't know much about Cable modems but if you can ping Yahoo and a couple of other things it's got to be their end. They just don't want to abmit it! That is very bad if the Cable people are lying like that to their customers though but it's happened here with plain cable TV service. "It's your end". I have had to prove them wrong so many times it's pitifull. I used to be a Cable Installer when I was young and was able to have fun with them when they tried to say stuff like the signal level was fine and it was my TV. I borrowed my friends Jerrold Field Strength meter and proved them wrong. Made them put in all new cable and splitters. Over the years I have found Cable people to lie and blame the customer for things that are their fault! Sad.

Having an InHome network is not against the rules from all the people I have talked to. I will ask my friend at Livinston/Lucient and see what he says.
 

Alphacowboy

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Sorry Bosack, I missed that. Hmm I couldn't tell ya then. Maybe RoadRunner is different, I guess I am lucky because the entire area is being upgraded if not already there. New cable and fiber is a good thing.
 

LordSandMan

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hehe, good, I'm not alone. I've had Charter@home for about 2 years now. It usually doesn't go a month without being down for some reason or another. It wasn't a huge issue until about 5 months ago. Since then my modem drops the net connection at least once every three days, with one exception. One time it went 2 weeks (woohoo). Usually it goes down 1 - 10 times a day. When it does I call tech support. They run thier tests, usually they say the signal levels are low. They have someone come out and fix it. It works 2 hours to 3 days and then disconnects me a gain. Wonderful way to run a business isn't it.
I used to work for a company that they had sub-contracted to install the NICs. They didn't care if they were late to service calls. They usually couldn't get the modems working the first or second time they were out on site. They ended up not paying the company that I worked for, so we didn't do anymore installs until we got paid. They never did pay. The company that is installing the NICs now I would not trust to touch my computer.

BTW- When we were doing the NIC installs it was Bresnan@home. Charter bought Bresnan.

Just wanted to share my frustrations.
 

Alphacowboy

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Its not against the rules to have a in-home network! Its against the rules to run a server (external) like at FTP site or web site off of you cable modem!
 

bozack

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alpha I think the tech that I dealt with was a friggin moron, he just said that because he was sick of calls and really didn't know what he was doing.

I could have told him exactly what I do for work, set up networks, work with high encryption software, and business level servers etc.. but I didn't because I respect other techs and I know what they go through, but when he started to disrespect me and refer to my lan as "your little network" and constantly repeat that they do not support peer to peer and it was in violation of their tos I began to get upset.

he even went so far as to say they did not support machines with two nics in them, heck I wasnt frigging asking him to, I switched the damn modem into a computer with only one nic and a clean tcpip stack (no ic share adapters or anything excessive) and it still didn't work.

Any qualified technician would have surmised that if this isn't working in two pc's either the guy working on them is an idiot and both configs are fubar, but for that to be the case the person would have to be a moron and most that attempt this stuff have some knowledge.

heck I knew more of the terms than he did, I dont even think he knew what the DNS lookup was, he was like uh yeah we looked at the dns it is fine?

I just hate people that probabily get paid more than me and are not qualified to do the work they do.
 

ViRGE

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Bah, @home's network was a mess last night.:( As for most people, their DNS servers were wacky, and took ages to get anything out of, if you got anything at all. First email, then DNS; what's next?
 

Alphacowboy

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Thats too bad, I hope that it doesn't stay that way! I can't wait to get out of the customer service part of it, but I do feel bad for the people that get jacked around... its not right!
 

disgrace

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I had a problem similar to yours but I called them and they just reseted my modem and everything worked "okay."