Home Owner Shoots Intruder - Ends Up Shot Dead By Police

[umbrella39]

You HAVE to be able to defend your own property in this country without the fear of the police showing up and killing you instead. More needs to come out and hopefully they have footage so we can find out what, if anything, this legal gun owner who was defending his family and home did wrong so other law abiding citizens don't do the same... How can this happen...

https://kdvr.com/2018/07/30/aurora-...er-after-homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-aurora/

Richard Black, a Vietnam veteran was shot dead by the police after responding to reports of an intruder in his home.

The Aurora Police Department said it arrived to 10609 E. Montview Blvd. shortly after 1:30 a.m. Monday and heard shots fired from inside the home and encountered an armed man.

Police shot the man, who later turned out to be the resident. The homeowner was taken to a hospital with gunshot wounds where he later died.

When police went inside the home, they found the intruder, who was dead on the bathroom floor. Police said the intruder was fatally shot by the armed resident, police said.

Authorities also found a juvenile, who was taken to a hospital for serious, but non life-threatening injuries caused by the deceased intruder, police said.

 

[soundforbjt]

Somehow, someway, more guns is the answer.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The police are not your friends when you're holding a firearm............ ever.

 

[WelshBloke]

The police are not your friends when you're holding a firearm............ ever.

So what's your solution? Less police? Less firearms?

 

[MrSquished]

the issue was the resident was black. if he was white his odds of surivival would have increased tenfold.

 

[DarthKyrie]

the issue was the resident was black. if he was white his odds of surivival would have increased tenfold.

He was white from what I saw on the news.

 

[Victorian Gray]

the issue was the resident was black. if he was white his odds of surivival would have increased tenfold.

He's Caucasian

https://www.9news.com/article/news/...ve-shot-man-defending-his-family/73-579045370

 

[MrSquished]

He was white from what I saw on the news.

My bad. I read that article too fast.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I’m confused. Is it now good guys with guns stop... good guys with guns?

 

[Younigue]

So what's your solution? Less police? Less firearms?

It's more guns Bloke. The answer is always more guns. Maybe if the child had shot the intruder she would have been able to survive police engagement? Can't know for sure until we arm children! Someone put that call in to the NRA and gun manufacturers won't you? I can almost feel the anticipation of the already paid well and graded politicians looking for this new pay day. If only the child had a 3D printer she could have saved her dad by shooting the cops!

Point is, no one will be safe from guns until infants (and up, an all inclusive deal) are armed God Dammit!

The solution is so simple and right there under our noses! For anyone who doesn't get it they're idiotic, unpatriotic, snowflakes!

 

[Younigue]

I’m confused. Is it now good guys with guns stop... good guys with guns?

Yes... Working toward good guys with guns killing everyone. It's their patriotic duty and their God Given Right!

 

[Paladin3]

I carry on occasion and am ready to defend my home and family if necessary. If I ever have to use my weapon in self-defense, once the threat is ended, I will render the gun safe and get far away from it before I call the cops.

When the cops respond they will find me standing outside, very still and with my hands in the air. Same for the rest of my family. And I'll have dispatch on speaker phone on the ground in front of me so the cops are aware of exactly what's going on before they even arrive. I was taught as a child that if the cops are coming get away from your gun.

Should I have to "fear" the cops this way? Not really. Do they know I'm the good guy and not the threat? Hell, no. But the potential consequences for doing anything less are too great to even consider. Same thing if I have any substantial contact with a cop, I let them know quietly and politely that I am carrying.

Unless the homeowner refused an order to drop the gun, or pointed it at the officers after they had identified themselves, I'm guessing the cops will eventually be found at fault.

 

[Paladin3]

So what's your solution? Less police? Less firearms?

I don't believe there is an easy answer.

Sometimes the poop hits the fan and all you can do is defend yourself, as it appears this man did for his family from the intruder. Maybe he didn't think the threat was ended or didn't remember to disarm himself before the cops arrived. If he saved the life of the juvenile (son? grandson?) who was attacked by the intruder, even though he lost his life in the end, I'll bet he'd say he's glad he had the gun.

Sometimes a cop makes a mistake, or fearing for his own life fires his weapon too soon and takes a life he shouldn't have. Others will judge that officer without even knowing him or her. Some will assume they actually wanted to kill someone just for shits and giggles or some deep seeded need for power over others. Regardless, he still needs to take responsibility for pulling that trigger, pending the circumstances.

Sometimes we want to make this about race when it has nothing to do with it because we have an agenda.

Sometimes we just want to ban a tool, thinking that will make everyone play nice. Often that's because we want desperately to believe all men are good and man hasn't been killing each other since the stone age. And never mind if a gun ban of any significance is even possible to achieve.

Maybe a combination of more stringent guidelines on when police can shoot (that's a big one in my book), combined with a more cooperative attitude from the public when stopped by officers in the field. The whole "fuck the cops" attitude and general increase in refusing to obey lawful police orders sure isn't helping to ease tension on cops trying to do a job.

And no mater what we do to try and lessen shootings like this I'm sure they will still occur, just hopefully less often.

EDIT: if anyone quotes me, I request you quote the who post, not selective portions out of context.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Yet another data point showing why its riskier to own a gun.

 

[Younigue]

I carry on occasion and am ready to defend my home and family if necessary. If I ever have to use my weapon in self-defense, once the threat is ended, I will render the gun safe and get far away from it before I call the cops.

When the cops respond they will find me standing outside, very still and with my hands in the air. Same for the rest of my family. And I'll have dispatch on speaker phone on the ground in front of me so the cops are aware of exactly what's going on before they even arrive. I was taught as a child that if the cops are coming get away from your gun.

Should I have to "fear" the cops this way? Not really. Do they know I'm the good guy and not the threat? Hell, no. But the potential consequences for doing anything less are too great to even consider. Same thing if I have any substantial contact with a cop, I let them know quietly and politely that I am carrying.

Unless the homeowner refused an order to drop the gun, or pointed it at the officers after they had identified themselves, I'm guessing the cops will eventually be found at fault.

LOL!

So awesome that you can predict exactly how unaffected you will be once you've shot a living human being. How very cool and collected you will be. How extremely compliant you will be. That you won't for a second lose touch with your rational mind. That you'll have the foresight to make not one single misstep. That your family after such a traumatic experience will also be able to hold firm to rational thought and reaction.

Please tell me you make your money as a medium.

 

[Younigue]

I don't believe there is an easy answer.

Sometimes the poop hits the fan and all you can do is defend yourself, as it appears this man did for his family from the intruder. Maybe he didn't think the threat was ended or didn't remember to disarm himself before the cops arrived. If he saved the life of the juvenile (son? grandson?) who was attacked by the intruder, even though he lost his life in the end, I'll bet he'd say he's glad he had the gun.

Sometimes a cop makes a mistake, or fearing for his own life fires his weapon too soon and takes a life he shouldn't have. Others will judge that officer without even knowing him or her. Some will assume they actually wanted to kill someone just for shits and giggles or some deep seeded need for power over others. Regardless, he still needs to take responsibility for pulling that trigger, pending the circumstances.

Sometimes we want to make this about race when it has nothing to do with it because we have an agenda.

Sometimes we just want to ban a tool, thinking that will make everyone play nice. Often that's because we want desperately to believe all men are good and man hasn't been killing each other since the stone age. And never mind if a gun ban of any significance is even possible to achieve.

Maybe a combination of more stringent guidelines on when police can shoot (that's a big one in my book), combined with a more cooperative attitude from the public when stopped by officers in the field. The whole "fuck the cops" attitude and general increase in refusing to obey lawful police orders sure isn't helping to ease tension on cops trying to do a job.

And no mater what we do to try and lessen shootings like this I'm sure they will still occur, just hopefully less often.

EDIT: if anyone quotes me, I request you quote the who post, not selective portions out of context.

nvm

 

[SP33Demon]

the issue was the resident was black. if he was white his odds of surivival would have increased tenfold.

stfu plz, completely wrong

 

[SP33Demon]

I carry on occasion and am ready to defend my home and family if necessary. If I ever have to use my weapon in self-defense, once the threat is ended, I will render the gun safe and get far away from it before I call the cops.

When the cops respond they will find me standing outside, very still and with my hands in the air. Same for the rest of my family. And I'll have dispatch on speaker phone on the ground in front of me so the cops are aware of exactly what's going on before they even arrive. I was taught as a child that if the cops are coming get away from your gun.

Should I have to "fear" the cops this way? Not really. Do they know I'm the good guy and not the threat? Hell, no. But the potential consequences for doing anything less are too great to even consider. Same thing if I have any substantial contact with a cop, I let them know quietly and politely that I am carrying.

Unless the homeowner refused an order to drop the gun, or pointed it at the officers after they had identified themselves, I'm guessing the cops will eventually be found at fault.

Police usually have to identify themselves, I'm guessing that shit didn't happen here.

 

[MrSquished]

stfu plz, completely wrong

I stated I read this article too quickly and was incorrect.

However my point stands in general.

Let me put it to you this way. If you had to bet your life savings on this type of situation and had two choices as the end result - would the homeowner be more likely to survive if he was white or black. which would you choose? you have a binary choice here - your life's savings at stake. pick one.

 

[Paladin3]

Yet another data point showing why its riskier to own a gun.

For the juvenile the intruder was assaulting, which the gun was apparently pulled to defend in the first place?

 

[Victorian Gray]

stfu plz, completely wrong

Hey, jackass, try reading the whole thread.

"My bad. I read that article too fast." (post #8)

 

[Paladin3]

I stated I read this article too quickly and was incorrect.

However my point stands in general.

Let me put it to you this way. If you had to bet your life savings on this type of situation and had two choices as the end result - would the homeowner be more likely to survive if he was white or black. which would you choose? you have a binary choice here - your life's savings at stake. pick one.

I remember posts like "Hey, someone did something sketchy, and guess what? They're black/Muslim/illegal/white/Mexican or whatever!" and those weren't cool either. You have no possible idea if race has anything to do with this shooting, but would bet you read that story looking for it. Maybe not my life savings, though.

 

[mikeymikec]

He's Caucasian

https://www.9news.com/article/news/...ve-shot-man-defending-his-family/73-579045370

Nope, he's Black

Richard Black

 

[woolfe9998]

LOL!

So awesome that you can predict exactly how unaffected you will be once you've shot a living human being. How very cool and collected you will be. How extremely compliant you will be. That you won't for a second lose touch with your rational mind. That you'll have the foresight to make not one single misstep. That your family after such a traumatic experience will also be able to hold firm to rational thought and reaction.

Please tell me you make your money as a medium.

Agreed. I actually think the most likely thing someone would do after shooting an armed intruder is 1) not drop the gun, and 2) check everywhere in the house and yard for a second intruder. Either fear or reason would lead you to the same course of action.

It seems likely in this case that since the resident didn't call the police (a nearby patrol heard shots fired), he wasn't expecting them. When they came in he may have brandished his gun for a split second, thinking it could be another intruder. Pretty tragic.

 

[JSt0rm]

tree of liberty or some such