Home Network Cable

Kreon

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I'm running Internet cable through my house

What kind do I need...

I've been told 10/100 and Cat 5E

I have high speed net if that makes any difference


I also did a quick search and couldn't find anything...

Thanks

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PottedMeat

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10/100/1000 are the megabit speeds, cat 5e is fine for ethernet cable, dont need to spring for cat6.


what do you mean 'running internet cable'?

are you putting ethernet cable through the walls and need to put in jacks? or are you just running a cable from your computer to your router?


 

aCynic2

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Originally posted by: PottedMeat
10/100/1000 are the megabit speeds, cat 5e is fine for ethernet cable, dont need to spring for cat6.


what do you mean 'running internet cable'?

are you putting ethernet cable through the walls and need to put in jacks? or are you just running a cable from your computer to your router?

Would cat 6 be more applicable to high traffic networks?
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: PottedMeat
10/100/1000 are the megabit speeds, cat 5e is fine for ethernet cable, dont need to spring for cat6.


what do you mean 'running internet cable'?

are you putting ethernet cable through the walls and need to put in jacks? or are you just running a cable from your computer to your router?

Would cat 6 be more applicable to high traffic networks?

Traffic doesn't matter (well, crappy cabling can be exposed moreso with high traffic). Using cable that is properly made and up to category specs for the task is. In otherwords, don't make your own cables.

If you are running "inwall" or "horizontal" cabling between jacks then cat6 is the only real choice mainly because you don't want to have to mess with pulling that cable again and the cost difference is next to nothing.

cat5e is practically dead.
 

thespeakerbox

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I agree with Spidey. If youre runnning through wall, make sure the cable is properly certified cat6, which 99% of the time means, just dont DIY it. If youre just making some patch cable from a pc to a router thats a different story. But you dont ever want to have to recable anything in wall or risk screwing up.
 

Tsaico

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: PottedMeat
10/100/1000 are the megabit speeds, cat 5e is fine for ethernet cable, dont need to spring for cat6.


what do you mean 'running internet cable'?

are you putting ethernet cable through the walls and need to put in jacks? or are you just running a cable from your computer to your router?

Would cat 6 be more applicable to high traffic networks?

Traffic doesn't matter (well, crappy cabling can be exposed moreso with high traffic). Using cable that is properly made and up to category specs for the task is. In otherwords, don't make your own cables.

If you are running "inwall" or "horizontal" cabling between jacks then cat6 is the only real choice mainly because you don't want to have to mess with pulling that cable again and the cost difference is next to nothing.

cat5e is practically dead.

There are very few applications that will require you to get certified cat6. There is still plenty of life in cat5e, especially in home use. At the rate that the corporate world is adopting cat6, home cat5e networks will still be pefectly fine for home use for years. C'mon now, there are still a good number of people using POTS for Internet access. By the time you need cat 6 in your home, you will be ready to move to a larger house.
 

Kreon

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Originally posted by: PottedMeat
10/100/1000 are the megabit speeds, cat 5e is fine for ethernet cable, dont need to spring for cat6.


what do you mean 'running internet cable'?

are you putting ethernet cable through the walls and need to put in jacks? or are you just running a cable from your computer to your router?

Running the cable up through a floor and into a computer (router on 1st floor, computer on second floor)

Nor is it a high traffic network, there are three, maybe four computers on it total (only one upstairs where this cable is going)

Thank you all

btw, what exactly am I looking for?
Cable that says Cat 5E?
Does it have a speed rating with it?
 

Kreon

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Can I get the cable precrimped?
Like in a set length (75 ft is perfect for me)
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Tsaico
There are very few applications that will require you to get certified cat6. There is still plenty of life in cat5e, especially in home use. At the rate that the corporate world is adopting cat6, home cat5e networks will still be pefectly fine for home use for years. C'mon now, there are still a good number of people using POTS for Internet access. By the time you need cat 6 in your home, you will be ready to move to a larger house.

Think 5 years from now where 10 gig is common place.

No way in hell would I do an installation with already obsolete cabling (cat5anything).

Anybody that skimps a few bucks to go with cat5e is a fool IMHO.
 

Tsaico

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Tsaico
There are very few applications that will require you to get certified cat6. There is still plenty of life in cat5e, especially in home use. At the rate that the corporate world is adopting cat6, home cat5e networks will still be pefectly fine for home use for years. C'mon now, there are still a good number of people using POTS for Internet access. By the time you need cat 6 in your home, you will be ready to move to a larger house.

Think 5 years from now where 10 gig is common place.

No way in hell would I do an installation with already obsolete cabling (cat5anything).

Anybody that skimps a few bucks to go with cat5e is a fool IMHO.

In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.
 

hanoverphist

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i just did a custom network for the public works dept of one of the cities here. they spec out cat6, really nice industrial switches with fiber built in. then they spec 100FX fiber. gotta love that.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Tsaico
In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.

Well you're gonna be limited to gig ethernet. I'll be enjoying my 10 gig ethernet using cat6.
 

Kreon

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Tsaico
In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.

Well you're gonna be limited to gig ethernet. I'll be enjoying my 10 gig ethernet using cat6.

I don't even need a meg

I have about .5 meg connection speed

And it only has to last a year
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Kreon
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Tsaico
In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.

Well you're gonna be limited to gig ethernet. I'll be enjoying my 10 gig ethernet using cat6.

I don't even need a meg

I have about .5 meg connection speed

And it only has to last a year

So you lied in your OP? "your house?"
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Tsaico
In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.

Well you're gonna be limited to gig ethernet. I'll be enjoying my 10 gig ethernet using cat6.
I'm curious, what are you going to transfer at those speeds? There's a very practical limit here: your HD. Current drives can't sustain transfers to saturate a gigabit network, and they aren't getting significantly faster any time soon.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Tsaico
In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.

Well you're gonna be limited to gig ethernet. I'll be enjoying my 10 gig ethernet using cat6.
I'm curious, what are you going to transfer at those speeds? There's a very practical limit here: your HD. Current drives can't sustain transfers to saturate a gigabit network, and they aren't getting significantly faster any time soon.

HD video. on-demand HD video, etc.

You can't really predict what is going to happen 5 years from now. But I can guarantee you will have 10 gigabit ethernet on category 6 cable. There are no developments or plans for cat5e, it's essentially dead.
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Tsaico
In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.

Well you're gonna be limited to gig ethernet. I'll be enjoying my 10 gig ethernet using cat6.
I'm curious, what are you going to transfer at those speeds? There's a very practical limit here: your HD. Current drives can't sustain transfers to saturate a gigabit network, and they aren't getting significantly faster any time soon.

HD video. on-demand HD video, etc.

You can't really predict what is going to happen 5 years from now. But I can guarantee you will have 10 gigabit ethernet on category 6 cable. There are no developments or plans for cat5e, it's essentially dead.
Even at max quality, HD is only 50Mb/sec, that would fit on an older 100Mb network. A few of those streams would be enough to warrant a gigabit network, but still not 10Gb.

Clearly Cat5e is dead and we will have 10Gb networks, I just don't have the damnedest clue what a home user is going to do with it over a 1Gb network.
 

Tsaico

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Tsaico
In a corporate sense, yes, I would totally agree with you. But in a home when 10 MB internet connection is uncommon, cat 6 is not that big a deal. Fool or not, it just plain isn't needed in a home environment. The majority of the broadband out there barely saturates a 10baseT network, current wireless isn't even close to that in a home environment. You can still see commercials for Dial up access and you say cat5e for home is pointless? Be real. Besides, when he can afford a 10 MB connection for home, chances are he will be buying a new house anyways.

Well you're gonna be limited to gig ethernet. I'll be enjoying my 10 gig ethernet using cat6.
I'm curious, what are you going to transfer at those speeds? There's a very practical limit here: your HD. Current drives can't sustain transfers to saturate a gigabit network, and they aren't getting significantly faster any time soon.

HD video. on-demand HD video, etc.

You can't really predict what is going to happen 5 years from now. But I can guarantee you will have 10 gigabit ethernet on category 6 cable. There are no developments or plans for cat5e, it's essentially dead.

What you are saying is all true. But this isn't what the OP wants or needs. His question is what does he need? Yes, Cat6 is the better cable, yes, it can have a much higher through put than cat5e. But at about $100 bucks a box, vs the 40 or so for cat5e can be spent else where for a home installation. Even if you are streaming hi def video, that doesn't come close to saturating 100baseT. Even if the resolution goes up by three times, you can still comfortable cover that with giga-speed.

So while you are right, your lamborgini will always beat my reliable pinto, but when we are going 5 blocks to the grocer, it's not going to matter.

As for the origional post, you don't want loose crimped cables if you are putting them in the walls or otherwise. So getting the preset longer cables probably aren't going ot be that useful for you. You can get tool less keystone jacks that are a little more expensive than normal, but depending on how many you want, (less than 10) go that route.

If I made a shopping list for you it would look like this (and all of this are at decent prices at home depot, you can probably find cheaper prices on line, but after shipping, it comes out to about the same)

- Cat5e Keystones Jacks (RJ45 is the official name of the type of plug you want). they are color coded, so you just match the wire color to the wire slot and punch down with cutting edge out.
- 1 box of Cat5e riser rated bulk cable
- 1 punch down tool with a cutting edge bit. (some punch downs are made for telphone blocks which you want your wires to be punched, but the the wire shouldn't be cut for various reasons, others are made to do both styles. They can be expensive, so if you need fewer then 10, it will be cheaper to buy the tooless variety of the keystone jacks. I would still suggest buying the tool, since you can later put jacks in your new place.)
- 1 Patch panel large enough for your needs. This is color coded also, so it is tough to mess these up, match the colors punch it down like the keystone jack with the cutting edge facing the outside. Usually they alternate, so when you look at the legend, it will have a brown square where the borwn wire goes, then just a white square where the white wire that was twisted with the brown wire will go. The keystone signify this by a square that is half white and half brown. Repeat for the other colors. Once you see them, you will get it pretty quickly.
-Matching number of plates and or boxes for the keystone to go into. You can buy a wall box like your cable wall box that mounts inside the wall, or if you don't want to drill, you can buy Panduit to put the cable inside, then an external wall box to actually mount the jack. The jacks mount into the plate, you then mount the plate on the box.

Find a central place for wher you want all your networking equipment to be. This is where you are mounting the patch panel. PLace your boxes where you want jacks, run your cable between the two points. Repeat how ever many you want. Then just buy premade patch cables so you won't have to learn how to do that. Your 3' patch panel cables should be about 2 bucks and the longer ones should be between 4 and 25 dollars for sizes 6' to 100' length. Cables4sure.com is a good place for such premade stuff.

Have fun man! Hope this all helps.