Home business forced to join Union in Michigan... forced to pay union dues. WTF!

OutHouse

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I dont even know how this can happen. the daycare providers are both labor and management plus they are in their own home!



Michelle Berry runs a day-care business out of her home in Flint, MI. She thought that she owned her own business, but Berry's been told she is now a government employee and union member. It's not voluntary. Suddenly, Berry and 40,000 other Michigan private day-care providers have learned that union dues are being taken out of the child-care subsidies the state sends them. The "union" is a creation of AFSCME, the government workers union, and the United Auto Workers.

This racket means big money to AFSCME, which runs the union, writes the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a free-market think tank.

Today the Department of Human Services siphons about $3.7 million in annual dues to the union….

The money should be going to home-based day-care providers — themselves not on the high end of the income scale. Ms. Berry now sees money once paid to her go to a union that does little for her…

Patrick Wright, a lawyer for the Macknac Center, says the union was forced on the women after a certification election conducted by mail in which only 6,000 day-care providers out of 40,000 voted. Wright told me his clients, like Berry, say they were "shocked" to learn they were suddenly in a union.

They want nothing to do with the union. One of my clients has said, “Look, this is my home, I’m both labor and management here.” They’ve wanted nothing to do with this union and don’t think that it has any purpose besides than to siphon money away from them.

Michigan isn't the only state funding unions this way.

Fourteen states have now enabled home-based day-care providers to be organized into public-employee unions, affecting about 233,000 people.

Mackinac sued Michigan on behalf of the day-care owners, but the case was dismissed. They have appealed. Neither Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, the Department of Human Services, nor the union would talk to me about this. Last month, Michigan Rep. Justin Amash proposed a law that would end "stealth" unionization of private entrepreneurs.

We’ll talk more about unions in tonight’s show on Fox Business at 8pm and 11pm ET.

Read more: http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/02/11/forced-unionization/#ixzz0fGOXMzon


http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/02/11/forced-unionization/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612341241120838.html


found more info on this and it stinks of total corruption.

http://www.mackinac.org/10992
 
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SlitheryDee

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If they were already getting subsidies then they were as much a government employee before as they are now.

Edit: It IS kinda screwed up that the money automatically goes to a union though.
 
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hanoverphist

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mebbe they should look into what benefit the union has, and try to utilize them to their benefit, making it a better situation.

but it does suck they are forced into it. i wonder if she was one of the 6000 that voted?
 

40Hands

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This sounds possibly like some news about politics. If only we had a place for that sort of stuff...
 

OutHouse

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If they were already getting subsidies then they as much a government employee before as they are now.

Edit: It IS kinda screwed up that the money automatically goes to a union though.

so government employee means automatic union membership? who exactly is the union representing? are they going to lobby for better healthcare or higher wages???? lol this is such a scam.
 

bctbct

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I kind of felt bad for her until I read the part that the money was being taken out of subsides.

Maybe she could opt out by not taking the handouts.
 

rivan

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Sounds like one of those hopey changey things

I love it when people blame anything they hear, regardless of how blatantly slanted the editorializing it's presented in might be, on the president.

No, wait. It's actually infuriating to see such utterly blind obedience to any philosophy, no matter whether the comments are in line with my thinking or not, and equally infuriating that the freedom we enjoy in this country is squandered in such a way.


Edit: Back on topic, this seems really terrible. Is there a news source that's less biased reporting on it?
 

HannibalX

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So, if you run a daycare and DON'T take government subsidy money, do you still have to join the union?
 

OutHouse

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So, if you run a daycare and DON'T take government subsidy money, do you still have to join the union?

that is what i am trying to find out. but it really doesnt matter. the point is state and federal subsidies are the source of the union dues. so your tax money that is suppose to be used to in homeday care is being used to pay for a union. am I the only one who has a problem with this?
 
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spidey07

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While that totally sucks, if she's getting paid by the government she is in essence a government employee and will be forced into the government employees union.

Only 6,000 our of 40,000 voted? Elections have consequences. Especially if you're voting to be part of a union or not.
 

shiner

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I love it when people blame anything they hear, regardless of how blatantly slanted the editorializing it's presented in might be, on the president.

No, wait. It's actually infuriating to see such utterly blind obedience to any philosophy, no matter whether the comments are in line with my thinking or not, and equally infuriating that the freedom we enjoy in this country is squandered in such a way.


Edit: Back on topic, this seems really terrible. Is there a news source that's less biased reporting on it?

Lighten up Francis...it was a joke
 

OutHouse

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I love it when people blame anything they hear, regardless of how blatantly slanted the editorializing it's presented in might be, on the president.

No, wait. It's actually infuriating to see such utterly blind obedience to any philosophy, no matter whether the comments are in line with my thinking or not, and equally infuriating that the freedom we enjoy in this country is squandered in such a way.


Edit: Back on topic, this seems really terrible. Is there a news source that's less biased reporting on it?

i linked a Wall Street Journal a few min ago. is that unbiased enough?
 

Darwin333

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Don't suck on the teet of the government if you can't handle the consequences?

TONS of businesses receive subsidies in one form or another, should they also be forced to pay fees to someone OTHER THAN THE GOVERNMENT?

And why just small businesses? Can anyone point me in the right direction to start the EITC workers/nonworkers union? Thats gotta be a friggen goldmine and to top it off the government does the collecting for you AND guarantees payment!!!

This is truly amusing, its a backdoor subsidy directly to the union. It isn't really "their" money that the union is getting, its the taxpayers. Might as well just reduce whatever subsidy the childcare workers where getting and have the government cut a check straight to the union. Much more efficient that way and the results would be the same.
 

Slick5150

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Michigan

/facepalm

Again.

Michigan...fail

#1) This is absolutely not Michigan specific (the story just happens to be about a case in Michigan). Here, for example, shows the same thing in Maryland
http://www.seiu.org/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=1&tag=state subsidy program&limit=20

And an article about Washington
http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/Centers/education/legislativememo/08_Finne_UnionDaycare_long.html

Wisconsin and Massachusetts have long had the same type of laws. The are other states looking at doing the same thing.

#2) There is a purpose to this to provide training, standards, etc.. for daycare workers who do take state funding. Whether or not this person chose to take advantage of that t is up to her.
 

Darwin333

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While that totally sucks, if she's getting paid by the government she is in essence a government employee and will be forced into the government employees union.

Only 6,000 our of 40,000 voted? Elections have consequences. Especially if you're voting to be part of a union or not.

I am currently a contractor on a COE project, does that now make me "in essence a government employee" since I am getting paid by the government? Should all contractors who work for the COE be forced to pay union dues via reduction in payment for services/goods provided?