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Holy cow! Man bites dog story here.... [POLL]

Dadofamunky

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An electrifying story just came over the wire:

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - Apple Computer Inc. is considering using chips made by Intel Corp. in its Macintosh computer line, The Wall Street Journal said Monday.

Two industry executives with knowledge of recent discussions between the companies said Apple will agree to use Intel chips, the report said. The impact on International Business Machines Corp., (IBM: news, chart, profile) Apple's longtime chip supplier, is unclear, the report added.

Such a move would be a coup for Intel, (INTC: news, chart, profile) which already powers the majority of the world's personal computers with its Pentium microprocessors. Apple could benefit from having a source of lower-priced, higher-performing chips, as it has seen growth in its flagship Macintosh line.

Representatives from Apple (AAPL: news, chart, profile) and Intel (INTC: news, chart, profile) could not be reached for immediate comment.

Apple shares rose $1.25 to $38.82. Intel shares were unchanged at $26.35.

Separately, Bear Stearns on Monday boosted its financial and stock-price targets for Intel's second quarter, citing evidence that the PC market was tracking at the high end of expectations.

Analyst Gurinder Kalra now expects earnings of 29 cents a share for the current quarter on revenue of $9 billion. He kept his rating at outperform and lifted his price target to $30 from $29.

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If true (and I doubt the WSJ would fumble something like this), I think it's smashing news. I have been just beginning to work with Mac OS X and am exremely impressed so far. By far the best Unix front end I have ever seen. It is gorgeous. It makes Linux look like what it is - an amateur patchwork. I'm not exactly a Mac partisan, but I would be almost ecstatic if this happened.

Those of you who flame other platforms such as the Mac, try to consider offering constructive comments this time. I will be watching! :thumbsup:

Talk amongst yourselves.

Almost 44% positives.

Not only that, I was vindicated today. Looks like they're actually gonna do it.

***EDIT*** Weird how no one is responding to this now. They must be reading AT's latest review, or else I'm just not cool. Too old, I guess.

I am disappointed that AMD is not in the picture here. Other than Dothan, Intel has NO technology I'm interested in. I'm with Duvie on this one.... for me, it's not a religious issue whose CPU I buy as long as it gives me the best value for my $. I ran an overclocked PIII for almost 5 years before I switched to A64. I'd switch back if Intel got its sh*t together. (I'm not holding my breath.)

I have mixed feelings about this. After all, Apple does have a very defensive posture on their intellectual property and will try to lock down their x86 platform. Also, I wonder how their software developers will take this. However, I am pretty sure that all this has been carefully considered. There is a lot of ferment in the PC hardware world. Ever see a 6800 Ultra on a Mac? Nope. Do serious gamers use Macs? Nope. Does the overall throughput and system performance measure up? Nope. (Heck, I'm even having trouble trying to get my Mac Mini to browse the Web in something approaching realistic speeds.)

All this is to say, I REALLY think it's a good move. It is also a bet-the-company gamble. IF some of the right incremental decisions get made by Apple, it could even be a net plus. (I also stand corrected. OSX is based on the BSD kernel, not System 5 V4. Man, do I feel stupid.) ***/END EDIT***
 
I think they should use AMD processors but that is a current preference. I think AMD could more easily deliver that load as opposed to a load of cpus to DELL.Dell falt out kills Apple in selling PCs...I think AMD will give them dual core system at a better thermal and power conditions...I am sure INtel is sweetening the pot quite well though.

I wonder if this pisses Michael and Dell off...Maybe they will be more open to bringing in some AMD systems then??? Interesting ramifcations if this did happen....


I think this could marry the best of all worlds....X86 computing with a much more stable and workable platform then winsucks....

Heck this may piss of Microsoft as well if it meant Apple could reach a large market with its OS...

Damn this could get interesting...
 
If Apple Computer was to use Intel cpu's then ...

RedHat is to Linux, as Apple Computer is to:
a) Microsoft
b) the Free Software Foundation
c) FreeBSD
d) the GNU Project

I will edit the answer later if this is not obvious.
 
yah it would be interesting maybe more of a push for linux and that would be awesome, yet apple used to be just apple not amd,abit,asus,or corsair, it will then turn into a dell or gateway
 
Originally posted by: mdchesne
Originally posted by: Azzy64
id rather have a g5 than a prescott

dual g5s over dual opterons anyday (except the opteron 8xx line....$1000+ apeice)



How do you figure this?? Just personal opinion?? Cause Dreamworks would disagree with you and tell you opterons will outperform G5s and cost less.....stable and allowed to get 2 movies complted in one year a feat they said had never occurred before then...


Hands down the software is the Mac's greatest feature...G5s in real reviews of software that can be comprable doesn't beat the Xeons in most instances....dual core dual opterons would wipe the floor of the G5's with the dead carcus of the xeon noconas!! LOL!!!
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: mdchesne
Originally posted by: Azzy64
id rather have a g5 than a prescott

dual g5s over dual opterons anyday (except the opteron 8xx line....$1000+ apeice)



How do you figure this?? Just personal opinion?? Cause Dreamworks would disagree with you and tell you opterons will outperform G5s and cost less.....stable and allowed to get 2 movies complted in one year a feat they said had never occurred before then...


Hands down the software is the Mac's greatest feature...G5s in real reviews of software that can be comprable doesn't beat the Xeons in most instances....dual core dual opterons would wipe the floor of the G5's with the dead carcus of the xeon noconas!! LOL!!!


Of Course!:thumbsup:
 
Why has'nt apple died yet? Seriously I hate working on my wifes imac.. 800Mhz and it feels slower than a 300mhz celeron.
 
Originally posted by: Duvie


How do you figure this?? Just personal opinion?? Cause Dreamworks would disagree with you and tell you opterons will outperform G5s and cost less.....stable and allowed to get 2 movies complted in one year a feat they said had never occurred before then...


Hands down the software is the Mac's greatest feature...G5s in real reviews of software that can be comprable doesn't beat the Xeons in most instances....dual core dual opterons would wipe the floor of the G5's with the dead carcus of the xeon noconas!! LOL!!!

http://www.barefeats.com/g5op.html

i haven't found a benchmark comparison for the new dual core opterons...but price ot performance ratios shouldn;t favor the opterons


Originally posted by: ZeboWhy has'nt apple died yet? Seriously I hate working on my wifes imac.. 800Mhz and it feels slower than a 300mhz celeron.

compare a 800mhz imac to a 800mhz ...anything else windows-based....there is a correlation between speed and performance y'know
 
Lemme spell it out for ya. I compared to a old arse cripple cache 300Mhz celeron and the 800mhz macintosh (much higher speed, 250% higher speed) was slower. Like you are.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Lemme spell it out for ya. I compared to a old arse cripple cache 300Mhz celeron and the 800mhz macintosh (much higher speed, 250% higher speed) was slower. Like you are.

whoa, settle down lil hitler

only posted what i saw
 
Originally posted by: jswjimmy
i hope mac goes x86, i would buy a mac os but never a mac pc.

Really? you like the mac os? I find it horribly complicated and cumbersome.

It's the simple things like no maximize windows quickly.. no awesome "explorer" windowing system or right click on aything to get a host of commands.
 
they actually have that. I don't know hwat version of mac OS you're running, but you can adjust all those. the explorer window is somewhere in the system preferences or file menu...somewhere, haven't been on my powerbook in a while. you can also disable that "genie" effect on minimize and maximize windows. i did, annoying if you want to get things done in a hurry
 
Originally posted by: mdchesne
Originally posted by: Duvie


How do you figure this?? Just personal opinion?? Cause Dreamworks would disagree with you and tell you opterons will outperform G5s and cost less.....stable and allowed to get 2 movies complted in one year a feat they said had never occurred before then...


Hands down the software is the Mac's greatest feature...G5s in real reviews of software that can be comprable doesn't beat the Xeons in most instances....dual core dual opterons would wipe the floor of the G5's with the dead carcus of the xeon noconas!! LOL!!!

http://www.barefeats.com/g5op.html

i haven't found a benchmark comparison for the new dual core opterons...but price ot performance ratios shouldn;t favor the opterons


Originally posted by: ZeboWhy has'nt apple died yet? Seriously I hate working on my wifes imac.. 800Mhz and it feels slower than a 300mhz celeron.

compare a 800mhz imac to a 800mhz ...anything else windows-based....there is a correlation between speed and performance y'know



I saw a more reent one that compared 250 opterons to 2.5 g5's I believe (somthing higher then 2.0ghz) and the opteron was again faster and when priced out a hair under the daul G5 system.....

Also latest opterons even no dual cores have E revisions as well that had a bit of a performance boost.


That all aside X2s on a desktop platforms are faster then the opterons of same speed and will be a faction of the cost.....X2 will make workstation class computers affordable for most everyone...Apple is going to take a nice kick in the nads on that one.....The dual core dual opterons is what they should use on their top of the line system. With 4 cores apple has nothing to come even close. With dual core X2s in the 4800+ range you will still be likely faster then any G5 system now at a big savings....You cant really win this one...
 
I'm using panther.. So are you telling me they have one button I can click which makes window the Full Screen in any app? Where please show me.. I see thier maximize button and all it does is make it bigger, or what you last positioned window as, not full screen.
 
Originally posted by: mdchesne
Originally posted by: Azzy64
id rather have a g5 than a prescott

dual g5s over dual opterons anyday (except the opteron 8xx line....$1000+ apeice)

remember?

X2s are also $1000+...course they're going to beat the year+ -old dual G5 setups. but at a grand a piece, i failt to see how:
Originally posted by: DuvieX2 will make workstation class computers affordable for most everyone...Apple is going to take a nice kick in the nads on that one.
 
mdchesne- you don't like the $500 X2's? There's not *that* much diff in performance from the $1000 ones. Those are just to get the people that have to have the very best. I don't recommend that route since you can OC well past that $1000 chip with minimal effort.
 
I know, I'd definitely prefer to see Mac OS on AMDs too.... in a perfect world....

Saw some more articles and of course others are right; Apple is using stock water cooling on their top-of-the-line G5s and are exploring Intel options to see if they can get more attention from IBM. However, going from the G5 to Prescott is like going from the frying CPU into the fire, if y'know what I mean. Not like Intel automatically offers better thermal solutions, but Apple probably likes what they see on the Centrino/Sonoma side of things....

I feel that the operating system and their innovative system design are what differentiate Apple - not the CPU. Almost everything else in their architecture is the same thing - RAM stix, video cards, slots, etc.... though no PCI-E or SLI yet. They may be also watching those developments with interest and that might be powering their talks with Intel.

I think Apple also sees the dual-core movement on the x86 side and may not see anything comparable from IBM. In that case it totally makes sense to bring the multitasking, multithreaded, memory-protected Mac OS X over to the x86 stat.

In fact, I would never have bought ANY kind of Mac if they hadn't brought out the Mini. I really wanted it when I saw it because I want to get back into Unix and loathe Solaris.

After further thought, I feel this is an inevitability.
 
never said i didn't like them, just simply stating I'd rather have dual G5s than the normal dual opteron setup. if you want to compare the single core G5 dual setup to a multicore dual setup, well then duh, the latter will win. But let us not forget the G6 is long overdue for an unveiling and with Intel's manufacturaing and R&D, we'll see dual core G6s coming out. then, and only then, can a proper comparison between the X2s and mac be scrutinized

and the new G6 is moving to .90nm so it's performance increase will be like the winchester over clawhammer..assuming the clock speeds are goign to stay the same (WHY APPLE! WHY??? GO FOR 3.0!!!!)
 
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