HOLY (*!@ AMD makes some HUGE marketshare gains worldwide

[NFS4]

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8153343.html?tag=mn_hd


<< AMD's largest gains in the third quarter came in consumer PC markets outside of North America. The chipmaker's share of the Japanese consumer PC market jumped to 54 percent from 24 percent in 2000. AMD increased its market share in Western Europe in the quarter to 49 percent from 25 percent in 2000, according to the company.

AMD's gains in the overall U.S. market were smaller, although the company said it moved up to 27 percent from 17 percent in the third quarter of 2000, citing the report.

AMD's strengths in the United States came in small business PCs, where it claimed 40 percent of the market, and in the government sector, where it had 33 percent of the market, according to Dataquest. AMD's share of the small business PC market suggests it is doing well in the so-called white box segment, where price is a major consideration both for smaller PC manufacturers and bargain-conscious customers. >>

 

[AMDPwred]

NFS strikes again!

 

[Adul]

read this late last night. i thought it was already posted though. there went my chance.

Anywys great news for AMD

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

Yeah, I mentioned it in this post, but it's not a repost (different article).

The North American advertising market is saturated by Intel ads via the "Intel Inside" program. Europe, India and countries in the eastern Pacific seem like better targets for AMD at the present time.

 

[vicdoc]

I am an Intel convert with 3 AMD systems now. Love 'em: great value for the money. But when is AMD going to turn a profit?

 

[Adul]

have to like the end of this


Apart from using its price/performance combination to make gains, AMD has also launched new grassroots marketing efforts and renamed its Athlon chip. In October, the company renamed Athlon to Athlon XP, using the Athlon XP title, followed by a model number, such as 1900+, to reflect different versions of the chip. AMD says the model number reflects the chip's overall performance potential better than a pure megahertz rating.
The moves appear to be paying off.

AMD and Intel simultaneously raised their fourth-quarter earnings forecasts last week, citing better-than-expected demand. AMD said demand for Athlon XP chips, two of which are sold out for the quarter, exceeded expectations. The chipmaker said it expects to ship more than the 7.8 million processors than it shipped in the third quarter.

"AMD's strategy is paying off," Ed Ellett, AMD's vice president of marketing, said in a statement Wednesday. "We are maintaining our traditionally strong presence in the consumer market, while simultaneously gaining acceptance as a serious commercial player."



Guess the gamble did pay off after all

 

[ndee]

<< So much for rumours of AMD being bought by nVidia... AMD is not doing bad at all. For example, even I have an AMD CPU inside of my box. AMD is popular in countries where people want to upgrade their CPUs with the least amount of money - in Europe, for example. In the US, people often want the best and they can afford it - so they go for the P4. >>


Yeah right. If it costs more, it HAS to be better right? You think the european don't want the best stuff? sheesh

 

[formulav8]

<< So much for rumours of AMD being bought by nVidia... AMD is not doing bad at all. For example, even I have an AMD CPU inside of my box. AMD is popular in countries where people want to upgrade their CPUs with the least amount of money - in Europe, for example. In the US, people often want the best and they can afford it - so they go for the P4. >>





How is it that the P4 is the best? Because it costs more? The Athlon is faster then the P4. The Athlon costs less then the P4. The Athlon is just as stable as the P4. The only way I can see you coming to the conclusion of the P4 being the best is that it is overpriced and underpowered? That would make it the best?


Jason

 

[vash]

This is truly good news for all. AMD wanted to get a much larger piece of the CPU pie for the last few years and now they have a serious bite in Japan and Europe. Intel is still quite strong in the USA, but if they rest at all, AMD will make more gains.

Intel is coming with Northwind and DDR. AMD had better be kicking out some major booty soon, otherwise those strong gains will become nothing.

vash

 

[Grendel99]

That is great to hear, I don't mind the PR rating system that much anymore

 

[sandorski]

Orcish: Hmm, back in the 80's, Amiga's, Apple's, and Atari's sold more in Europe than they did in the US. They were all superior to IBM/PCs, and with the exception of the Ataris, were more expensive. Traditionally Europeans are willing to spend on quality/features/speed and are less swayed by marketing than North Americans.

 

[veryape]

Thank god there is finally some competition in the processor arena, because I was getting a little tired of paying outragious prices for a processor that was obsolete(so to speak) in a matter of months.

AMD is the king in my book and if it will help bring Intel down to earth with the rest of us lowly working folk who cannot afford a grand for the latest greatest processor then AMD it will be for me. I'm all for the little guy, especially when they actually make a better product then the competitor for a cheaper price. I love competition and what it does to prices.

 

[AGodspeed]

Generally, more expensive things are better, that's a rule.

Very very generally. I'd say barely a majority of the time (like 51% to 49% or something like that). I've bought plenty of things for a cheap price that, as a whole, fit my needs better than something more expensive. And a large majority of people will agree with me.

 

[Viper GTS]

I still believe that Intel has the superior CPUs right now (architecture potential), but right now the performance of a dual AMD system vastly outpaces that of Intel's flagship P4.

Viper GTS <-- Loves his dualie AMD system

 

[Nate13]

Amd rules!!!

 

[Damascus]

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<< The only way I can see you coming to the conclusion of the P4 being the best is that it is overpriced and underpowered? That would make it the best? >>



I have gone through this very question so many times that I'm sick... P4 is better b/c it's a next generation CPU compared to Athlon. >>



Very true. P4 is a "next-generation" CPU core and it may very well be the
best one available in two years or so. But right now, it is not the best
thing available. How useful will your 2.0Ghz P4 gonna be when the 4.0Ghz
chips start stomping the competition?

 

[NFS4]

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<< The only way I can see you coming to the conclusion of the P4 being the best is that it is overpriced and underpowered? That would make it the best? >>



I have gone through this very question so many times that I'm sick... P4 is better b/c it's a next generation CPU compared to Athlon. But at the same time, it's way more expensive. I'd bought a P$ had I some extra $400. But I just don't need P4's features right now. Generally, more expensive things are better, that's a rule. >>


It makes no sense to say that the Pentium 4 is the better chip b/c it will perform better IN THE FUTURE. This is the present, the here and now. And RIGHT NOW, AMD is on top no matter which way you look at it.

I find it funny that people keep busting out the Pentium 4's "superior architecture" which will pay dividends down the road. This is true to a degree, but what makes you think that AMD is sitting around with their thumb up their a$$ as they gloat over their Athlon XP 1900 scores? By the time Intel's P4 starts "kicking it into overdrive," AMD will most likely be touting a brand new architecture that is "future inclined."

AMD knows that their Athlon in its current form is gonna start running out of steam...they aren't friggin weetahdid But as we speak, there is no question that the Athlon XP is the best performing/most economical processor platform out there.

Don't get me wrong, the Pentium 4's architecture is GREAT, but I'm not gonna start singing its praises until I see some huge advantage over AMD processors (which hasn't shown up as of yet).

It'd be all the same to say that Dodge's new '02 RAM has the "superior" powertrain to Chevy and Ford b/c it will add a Hemi engine in the middle of the '03 model year. Well, that doesn't mean JACK SQUAT right now b/c you CAN'T EVEN GET THAT ENGINE FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. Right now, it's stuck with a 3.7 liter V6, a 4.7 liter V8, and a 5.9 liter V8 that pale horsepower/torque numbers to Chevy and Ford (especially Chevy). WHEN the 5.7 liter Hemi with 333HP DOES get here, that may be a different story, but right now it means NOTHING. Sure, it has a nice platform with big 20" wheels, and a cozy interior but everyone knows that the powertrain MAKES OR BREAKS a truck when compared to other models out there on the road.

 

[Bluga]

AMD is HUGE in Taiwan. There're AMD ads outside the bus, in back of the bus, on subway station, not to mention the magazines.

I was surprised to see that since there's little if any AMD ads in the states.

 

[AA0]

there is a lot less ignorance in other parts of the world, one of the reasons why AMD is coming out on top there. Only in the North America do you have idiots fighting over p4/athlon or ati/nvidia because they are loyal to brands. Thats all it is 95% of the time, people are brand loyal, there are very few reasons to ever go with a p4 when you give a price and spec comparision, disregarding brand name and "reliability" which people just assume one company is better.

Remember, there are still AMD 486s working today.

 

[Linux23]

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<<

<< The only way I can see you coming to the conclusion of the P4 being the best is that it is overpriced and underpowered? That would make it the best? >>



I have gone through this very question so many times that I'm sick... P4 is better b/c it's a next generation CPU compared to Athlon. But at the same time, it's way more expensive. I'd bought a P$ had I some extra $400. But I just don't need P4's features right now. Generally, more expensive things are better, that's a rule. >>


It makes no sense to say that the Pentium 4 is the better chip b/c it will perform better IN THE FUTURE. This is the present, the here and now. And RIGHT NOW, AMD is on top no matter which way you look at it.

I find it funny that people keep busting out the Pentium 4's "superior architecture" which will pay dividends down the road. This is true to a degree, but what makes you think that AMD is sitting around with their thumb up their a$$ as they gloat over their Athlon XP 1900 scores? By the time Intel's P4 starts "kicking it into overdrive," AMD will most likely be touting a brand new architecture that is "future inclined."

AMD knows that their Athlon in its current form is gonna start running out of steam...they aren't friggin weetahdid But as we speak, there is no question that the Athlon XP is the best performing/most economical processor platform out there.

Don't get me wrong, the Pentium 4's architecture is GREAT, but I'm not gonna start singing its praises until I see some huge advantage over AMD processors (which hasn't shown up as of yet).

It'd be all the same to say that Dodge's new '02 RAM has the "superior" powertrain to Chevy and Ford b/c it will add a Hemi engine in the middle of the '03 model year. Well, that doesn't mean JACK SQUAT right now b/c you CAN'T EVEN GET THAT ENGINE FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. Right now, it's stuck with a 3.7 liter V6, a 4.7 liter V8, and a 5.9 liter V8 that pale horsepower/torque numbers to Chevy and Ford (especially Chevy). WHEN the 5.7 liter Hemi with 333HP DOES get here, that may be a different story, but right now it means NOTHING. Sure, it has a nice platform with big 20" wheels, and a cozy interior but everyone knows that the powertrain MAKES OR BREAKS a truck when compared to other models out there on the road. >>





right on brotha man.

 

[Hardware]

Hehe last month i bought for $4500 AMD stocks!

 

[sanz]

I'm probably going to upgrade my computer pretty soon. I've made full use of cheap athlon and its excellent performance (plus few glitchs and noise).. but I don't think the term "Best performance for the buck" applies to athlon any more.

This is a price comparasion between Athlon XP and Intel P4 (all prices are in Aus$)

Intel Pentium4 1.9GHz Skt 478 CPU w/Intel Cooler In Stock $682.00
AMD Athlon XP 1900+ SocketA (1600mhz) OEM CPU with FOP 321 fan In Stock $638.00

With DDR solution just around the corner, price of mobo+ram will be about the same for athlon xp and P4.
So there's only Aus$44 difference in CPU price (in this case anyway). Knowing athlon, average person has 4-6 extra fans (extra $100 or so).

We'll probably have to see some P4 DDR benchmarks to see how it performs against Athlon XP, but no doubt it'll be better than P4. So the thing is.. with almost the same price, you get slightly (do we really care about extra 10fps in games???) better performance on athlon that is nearly indistinguishable from P4.

Personally, if this was the case, I would opt for P4 solution. Give me queit computer any day (anyone who says delta screaming is not loud is a lier). Just my opinion.. since I can't understand why people are still saying "better performance for buck". That used to work for $300 athlon vs $600 P4 +RDRAM. Not anymore.

I wonder how much northwood will be... and what performance.. hmmm... and I wonder if I'm gonna get flamed for this...

 

[NFS4]

<< I'm probably going to upgrade my computer pretty soon. I've made full use of cheap athlon and its excellent performance (plus few glitchs and noise).. but I don't think the term "Best performance for the buck" applies to athlon any more.

This is a price comparasion between Athlon XP and Intel P4 (all prices are in Aus$)

Intel Pentium4 1.9GHz Skt 478 CPU w/Intel Cooler In Stock $682.00
AMD Athlon XP 1900+ SocketA (1600mhz) OEM CPU with FOP 321 fan In Stock $638.00

With DDR solution just around the corner, price of mobo+ram will be about the same for athlon xp and P4.
So there's only Aus$44 difference in CPU price (in this case anyway). Knowing athlon, average person has 4-6 extra fans (extra $100 or so).

We'll probably have to see some P4 DDR benchmarks to see how it performs against Athlon XP, but no doubt it'll be better than P4. So the thing is.. with almost the same price, you get slightly (do we really care about extra 10fps in games???) better performance on athlon that is nearly indistinguishable from P4.

Personally, if this was the case, I would opt for P4 solution. Give me queit computer any day (anyone who says delta screaming is not loud is a lier). Just my opinion.. since I can't understand why people are still saying "better performance for buck". That used to work for $300 athlon vs $600 P4 +RDRAM. Not anymore.

I wonder how much northwood will be... and what performance.. hmmm... and I wonder if I'm gonna get flamed for this... >>


That's b/c you live in Australia. You guys have screwed up prices, sucks to be you

For the rest of us Americans (comparing top of the line to top of the line, and next best to next best):

Athlon XP 1900+ == $247
Pentium 4 2.0GHz == $408 (AYE CARAMBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Athlon XP 1800+ == $184
Pentium 4 1.9GHz == $264

Throw in an $80 Shuttle KT266A board and you're set. Where's the justice in the world??

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

Those may be the prices in Papua New Guinea, but here in the States, the difference is considerable...


Intel P4 2.0Ghz........$499 retail

AMD 1900+ XP.........$290 retail


That's 58% more expensive for virtually the same performance, and you only need additional fans if you plan to overclock. I've had no trouble running the XP chips with Coolermasters (low-end HSF's) and two case fans.

 

[Ionizer86]

If you think the P4 is architecturally superior, this page will show you how bad the P7 Pentium 4 architecture is compared to what the designers had planned at first. One of the strongest points in this article, after analyzing performance from the Intel 8088 to the Pentium 4 is that they went back for features from generation 4: the 486.

Pentium 4 has a 8kb L1 cache (what the? 486 had that much cache on it) Never in history since the 486 has a processor had such a tiny cache. Some architects never learn; they've fixed past bottlenecks and they've brought them back, trying to "increase" performance. The article also shows how useless double pumped ALUs are if other processing units aren't gonna be feeding enough data to the two double pumped ALUs

Overall, the author brings out that the P7 Pentium 4 architecture is quite inferior.